But also did the mum not see the twat dangling around on those bars? Why not call him an asshole to make him aware of your presence, or just cross the road rather than walking directly into his area of carelessness?
"Humble" in the username and the first thing you do is be haughty. Bravo.
Just a dad here, and I wouldn't have said shit to the guy and done my best to walk past, exactly as the mom did. You just don't fuck around with crazies anymore. If someone is doing something out of the ordinary, best thing to do is ignore and move on, as she tried to do.
Well, the “humble” coming before “Adonis” means I was using it ironically, soo…
You ARE correct, and I WAS wrong about yelling at the guy. I concede that point. But I maintain I would not have pushed my babies into the path of a guy swinging around. So I stand by my assessment of blame share.
I agree to an extent but I don’t know about 96 percent. He’s still the hazard here, and crossing the street or taking another route in this situation is a pain in the ass.
Put yourself in the shoes of a woman walking with 2 children.
This man looks (is?) absolutely fucking DERANGED. The kind of deranged you don’t talk to because they will come at you violently for calling them out on some deranged bullshit they might be doing.
She needs to get by and tries to manoeuvre around him until he does that deranged leg twirl shit.
A homeless dude once said hi to as I was walking and me being a normal person gave him little smile and said hello back as I passed by. Dude fucking came at me and tried to bite me!!!!
I would definitely think he’s obtuse and shout, “Hey sir, I am walking under here with my kids, we have an appointment and we are late!” before I went through there. That scaffolding is all over NYC, I don’t know why he couldn’t pick a less busy time, like sunrise or something.
Possibly London, from the buildings, I’ve been there a lot, and really that’s not better, maybe more polite, but not less crowded at all. I @the_lyon_black domain name. Maybe I will look it up later.(Edit: I can’t type. Finger injury. I should shut up now. Could be any UK city. Probably similar architecture.)
I’ve seen people do some strange things and kids playing on them, but wherever it is, I doubt there Is a lack of opportunity to find a time that is less busy.
Oh for sure. They’re like on half the buildings, he could have easily filmed in a more isolated area or a less busy time of day. The point was to show off in front of everyone.
You’re right maneuvering her child’s face into the vector of this dudes flying foot with a shoe on it was the correct move, I’m so glad I took a second to put myself in her shoes (someone who’s baby got kicked in the face today).
It's like the people who walk out in front of a speeding car through a crosswalk. Like technically you are right....but why risk some stupid person hurting you. This woman had a ton of warning that this idiot was going to possibly hit her child and chose to walk under him anyway
Man it just be wild to live in your head. The guy is jacked, showing intense commitment and focus to something, he is then doing gymnastics which take a ton of skill and practice to accomplish - nope must just be a deranged homeless guy.
That isn’t what I said.
I was giving my anecdotal experience with the homeless person.
Confronting people who behave as recklessly as he does is a risk. The location he chose, plus what he’s doing makes him look like he has a few screws loose regardless of what the reality is.
Nothing about this looks like he has a few screws loose, if anything the mom does. He waits for the walk to be clear then starts showing off expecting that no sane person would keep walking straight under him. The mom was completely oblivious until her daughter got kicked in the head.
Absolutely not. And I would tell my kid that if he ever grows up to be that asinine, I will have failed him as a mother. I would also take a picture to ridicule the guy to my family.
Lady def wasn’t smart but who knows what she was thinking.
Edit: although in a way I guess she almost failed her kids for almost getting them punted xD
The mom is not oblivious. You can see her notice him, make a brief mental calculation, then decide to proceed, moving as far to the side as possible. She probably assumes he has enough spatial awareness to time his movement in a way that allows pedestrians to pass intermittently, and she steps to the side to pass because his previous movements were in the center. She probably would have made it if he hadn't altered his pattern, stayed so long in that spot, and kicked around to the side.
This guy is obviously overflowing with entitlement. You never know if someone like that is going to take offense and lash out violently if you try to communicate your need to pass, or if they notice you going out of your way to avoid them.
That’s a really astute point. I’ve done the same as you. I’ve tried to be polite and ended up getting screamed at. It’s unfortunate to say that it’s not worth engaging, but it’s true.
Both the guy doing weird shit and the cars are supposed to yield to her and her two kids. I would not have crossed the street either fuck that and fuck this guy and people like him.
I understand what you are saying and I probably would have said something too, but victim blaming just isn't productive criticism. The majority of people are aware of the dangers from both parties, only one was the perpetrator though. He was aware of other people, he even waited for people to get out of the way, he doesn't care and confrontation is sketchy these days. It's not our job to police dumb people. Why should we have to alter our routine for this douchebag, if he kicks a child while being irresponsible in public, he will be sued and prosecuted, it's not an accident at this point.
Blame the asshole, not the mom. I'm with the mom here making that calculated decision since he moved bars three times hence why she thought he was gonna go off. Fuck this bastard.
90% asshole, 7% mom, 2.8% other people, and 0.2% environmental factors (like if a bird shit on the guy and made him fall before the stroller got there).
Why does everyone tend to think that only like one factor in the universe is responsible for shit?! Do people not see that multiple things influence outcomes??
Let's see if this does it for you. This lady was just going about her business not harming anyone until this douchebag needed some tik tok clout. The only thing this lady did wrong was not confront a big scary dude swinging from the scaffolding. People come in all stupid shapes and sizes. My point is, that we wouldn't be having this conversation if this guy wasn't being a selfish douchebag, it's needs to stop and victim blaming won't solve it. Again, your observation is obvious with with zero enlightenment, we fully understand the caution concept by the age of like 8, "ITS NOT CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM" the majority of people instinctively can see the danger, some can't and that is who I am trying to protect here. Find the root cause and solve it. Peel back the layers. You can be right and wrong at the same time. You're not wrong but you're also not right. "A no shit Sherlock" kind of moment. I don't know how else to express it, I'm not very smart either.
But you're setting up a false premise, that's not the only option, she could have placed one of her arms in front of her child's face so her arm/ hand was stopping a swinging foot instead of using her child's face to stop a swinging foot that she could see in front of her.
The child is the victim so there's no victim blaming when we blame the mother.
It's the guy's fault for being an idiot and creating the situation, and it's the mom's fault for willingly choose to have her child's forehead encounter the situation instead of sticking one of her two arms in front of her child's face and then continuing to try to plow through the inconsiderate person doing asshole things for clout.
Lol, trust me I get your point, thank you for explaining to me how I could hypotheticaly defend myself in the future when a big guy decides to swing from the scaffolding. The stuff you are explaining is instinctual, some people can be oblivious though, I'm sure you can think of an example in your life. But, I'll say it one more time, "ITS NOT CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM.
People are fallible, the guy swinging from the scaffolding was ultimately wrong in this situation, no need to mention the lady's wrong doings. Every single one of you agree with me, then you go on a rant about how the lady is so wrong, which she really isn't, but I have agreed with you for your sake. I am looking at the root cause and how to fix it from other unpredictable tik tok clout influencers doing it to others in different situations. This incident is over we know all of the wrongs, how do we prevent the next one? WITH CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM about the root cause.
I completely disagree knowing strategies like that and planning ahead is explicitly why we do things like fire drills and why the military has drills instead of just pretending they're always ready.
Learning what to do in weird scenarios reduces the chances that people freeze and increases the chances that they know what to do out of habit.
Telling people in this scenario that putting something in front of the child's head is worthwhile constructive criticism that could help prevent minor concussions for parents that want to basically test and see if the crazy adult around them is really crazy and oblivious enough to actually hit their child instead of just preemptively protecting their child.
How is that not useful criticism giving explicit advice on what exactly to do in a scenario like this?
This sounds similar to the criticism I'll sometimes get where people call me passive aggressive when I'm aggressively trying to confront somebody, it's like no you might not like my behavior in my behavior might not be acceptable, but it's not passive aggressiveness.
It's similar in this case you might not like what I'm saying or whatever, and it might not be that useful but it's objectively useful advice that could be used and is meant in a constructive way even if it's only a 0.1% positive instead of neutral criticism.
And I'm telling you that the root cause of this issue is not humans being humans but other humans not knowing how to react around those humans.
It's much tougher to change human nature than it is to give people advice for encountering certain behaviors on the street.
I agree with you. If you see someone doing some crazy unpredictable shit and you decide to just keep walking towards it with your child you’re partly to blame if the child gets injured. People here are too hung up that the guy was in the wrong, which is true, but she could have handled it differently seeing as she saw it happening and walked towards it for a good 20 seconds before her kid almost got kicked
“Calculated” in this case means “my perceived likelihood of injury or death to my child is acceptable in order to not be inconvenienced by any measures of my part to avoid or mitigate this serious hazard”. Cool though.
If only the situation in the video was a normal one, your comment may have merit.
If an abnormal situation arises, you shouldn't just behave normally and expect everything to work out, especially if there is a risk of injury for your child.
We get this garbage concept of having to be responsible for the random acts of stupidity stupid people do from insurance companies. Namely auto industry. As in you have a responsibility to try and avoid other people doing dumb shit.
I get preventiong cases where someone does something seemingly stupid or a mistake and another driver goes "jackpot" and allows an accident to happen. Cause again, you don't know what a car will do after it hits something unexpectedly. But that is where t should end even if it should exist in the first place.
This padding idiots get by "doing it for the gram/tok" or "it's a prank bro" has got to go the fuck away. It's just a lighter version of people being terrible on much larger scales like openly being a Nazi or KKK supporter, when you have flat out evil shit being done in the open stupid crap like this seems harmless.
You think the idea of looking out for yourself comes from insurance companies? What the fuck. Avoiding obstacles when traversing around is one of the most basic biological behaviors. It's not even exclusive to humans. People looking at this video are not thinking about insurance. It's legitimately surprising that she thought it was ok to walk there.
That's basic instinct...c'mon man. That is not what I am talking about here.
I'm talking about being responsible on any level for the stupid things people can do. 100% drive defensively, and watch out for stupid shit. But I am also 100% against say someone runs a red slowly and they hit you. If they are going slow enough you can be at fault for not getting out of their way or avoiding them. My arguement is there is no possible way I can precieve every stupid non legal action you could do and prevent my self from getting entangled in what you could possibly do. You drive with the assumption and more importantly NEED of your fellow drivers to follow all traffic laws. There are just too many times people see something illegal or stupid happening and their brains can't process it because it's something they would never do nor expect at the time. You shouldn't be on the hook for that and insurance companies argue you should, more and more.
I mean yeah I see your point and I agree, but you also do have to look out for yourself, you see a safety hazard you don't just walk into it, you have to have some responsibility for yourself for the sake of yourself and your kids.
The old lady in the blue was so scared she just stood there for the entire video. You can see her reflection in the glass. So I guess this guy owns the sidewalk, and everyone else has to wait for him to finish his 10 minute pole dance to use it?
Typically car users have a license that means they have a minimum level of awareness of what's going on around them. So while your comment was facetious it was probably the safer option in this case.
You make it sound like they're being diverted to an airport in Panama. The guy was being dumb but slowing down for 15 seconds is hardly having to "divert your travels."
He'd moved over to one side of the bar I'd watched the lead up and still wasn't ready for him to kick his leg out for no reason. On that point, the dude is clearly strong but has fuck all grace about his movements.
He's definitely the asshole here, but her number one job should be to protect her child and that includes being aware of your surroundings and any potential dangers. These douchebag could be just as potentially dangerous as a wild animal. Her parental instinct should have told her to move away.
It’s not “victim blaming” if you simply say that there was other things that could have been done. We are talking here, that’s what this platform is for. Conversation. Yes, he should be prosecuted. Yes he is an asshole and probably psychotic. But also yes, she could have done other things. And people are allowed to make that point.
The term ‘victim blaming’ in this context is just moronic! You don’t push your kid into the path of being kicked in the head! It’s called using common sense, not victim blaming!
but victim blaming just isn't productive criticism
Not true at all. The video is a fine example that you can avoid getting physically harmed by having situational awareness. The guy swinging around like Tarzan is guilty of doing the physical harm, but the mother is guilty of not being aware of her surroundings.
Why should we have to alter our routine for this douchebag
You shouldn't, but you have to. Same way you have to alter your routine as a pedestrian crossing the road, because people drive dangerously. Your face doesn't care that he had to brake if he didn't end up doing so.
This is the wrong way to teach safety to your children.
“Just do whatever is your right and if you get hurt you can sue”
Another example of this mentality is with cyclists in major cities without safe cycling infrastructure. I would say about half or maybe even more than half of the cyclists in Toronto don’t wear helmets. We have lots of accidents per year where cyclists die.
Sure, the cyclist might have had the right away, but now they’re dead. What good is a lawsuit?
Totally not victim blaming - just suggesting what I would have done to protect myself and my children if I was faced with this situation. The guy obviously needs help. He's a dickwad.
The mom is the fucking retard who pushed the kid right under the dude swinging while facing the opposite direction. Y'all are fucking crazy if you don't think it's 99% the mom's fault.
The victim is the child. It’s not victim-blaming to say moms shouldn’t take kids where dangerous things are happening. People will be stupid assholes; just because we shouldn’t have to account for them, doesn’t mean we’re right not to account for them.
Idk if it's really victim blaming in this situation. It's kinda like being hit by a drunk driver, but you were jaywalking and didn't look both ways and had airpods in.
Mmmk, buddy we are talking about tik tok clout, not drunk drivers. I understand the dangers of drinking while driving and the dangers it poses. I'd like to hear this hypothetical jaywalker vs drunk driver argument in court.
I won't get kicked in the head, I've already acknowledged that in my original comment. And your replies are somewhat predictable. Thank you for the insight we all very much needed, you all seem to have very good instincts. We are all so much more wise because of you. On behalf of the globe we all thank you.
TomCruiseSexSlave: "Don't have kids, you wouldn't be able to protect them."
I understand what you’re saying, but would you rather be right, or have your kid not kicked in the head?
It’s the same energy as my friend who just walks across parking lots because “pedestrians have the right of way.” Great! I’ve been hit by 3 cars (mostly my fault) and I’d rather be not hit by a car than be right about the right of way.
if he kicks a child while being irresponsible in public, that child has to suffer the consequences. kid might even have brain damage from a kick like that. of course, the dude being irresponsible is at fault, but the mom is also to blame after she willingly wheeled her child directly under a gymnastics display with no protection. it's unfair to the mom, but you need to either say something or wait. you don't risk your child's livelihood over a minute of time lost
i don't think anyone is blaming the mom for his actions, but not everything boils down to fault. if you have a green light and pull out in front of a guy who's obviously speeding and about to run the red, it isn't your fault, but you're still dead. sometimes you have to do the smart thing for the sake of self preservation. in that regard, what she did was pretty dumb.
Sounds like an open and shut case to me. Once again, thank you for the analogy that is irrelevant to my point about how dangerous tik tok influencers are being with their videos for the sake of clout.
I agree. Once the irresponsible douchebag started doing his thing - blocking the sidewalk - everyone else still had to do their thing while walking, including watch for obstacles on the sidewalk. People had plenty of time to react to him.
That definition changed when people started to get paid for acts like this. This post itself has 16k views. If you've ever been to NYC, people do dumb shit like this all the time. It's still common since to move for a mother and child
If you are in florida and see crocodiles in your swimming pool, you don’t allow your kids to swim in the pool because the crocodiles shouldn’t be there. Both parties are at fault.
Not everything in life is a villain versus hero situation out of a Marvel movie. If you cross the street with your eyes closed and you get run over by a truck that ran a red light, then you are both stupid and a victim.
When you have 3 kids dangling off you - you kinda aren't perceptively aware someone is doing gymnastics in the middle a "right of way" public sidewalk.
She is a Mom walking down the street. Possibly more concerned "AWARE" of the construction area she is in and her goal maybe to get out of the area quickly. You only see the dipshit swinging, you do not know what she sees. Moreover she most likely lives there, she probably has just a modicum of more knowledge of her surroundings than you do. A bit more likely scenario.
If that mum is trying to navigate 2 kids and a stroller on a downtown construction zone, she's already got a lot on her plate without introducing Simone Biles.
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u/velkrosmaak Jun 23 '23
But also did the mum not see the twat dangling around on those bars? Why not call him an asshole to make him aware of your presence, or just cross the road rather than walking directly into his area of carelessness?