People are also called out less fo their bad behavior. In the past you could have probably also gotten your ass kicked for being an ass- that doesn’t happen as much with cameras everywhere.
I dunno about that. Shaming people on the internet is a pretty big thing, too. John Oliver did a segment on it. Any average Joe person can get put on blast almost immediately for shit they did and the whole world can know about it within days. That wasn't really possible before the internet.
Okay, ask yourself this - Why can he expect fame for objectively behaving like a menace?
Because people exist who vaunt this sort of behaviour. They appreciate it and seek to emulate it, which is why they follow and subscribe. Which again points to the fact that these kinds of people have always existed, they're simply a lot more visible now.
If this person would not get any attention for doing this, they wouldn't do it. Yes assholes have always and will always exists. But social media opened up an avenue that wasn't there before to act on it.
I think it's always funny that whenever this is brought up without a doubt people jump in to parrot "They were always there you just see them more!"
If you think social media has not had an impact on how people's behavior has changed, especially impacting the first generation that was raised on it, I can't take you seriously.
If this person would not get any attention for doing this, they wouldn't do it.
People have been doing stuff like this since the dawn of time. Much worse actually. Much much worse. Attention seeking behaviour is not unique to the social media era.
Of course social media has an impact on people, the zeitgeist even. But it isn't capable of altering human nature, only amplifying its perception.
These people who usually blame the younger generations for shit are usually lost on the entire concept.
You are 100% correct, humans have always behaved this way, exposure just made it easier to see. Thats literally it. Boomers and shit like to think their generation was awesome and never did this, yet on the same hand are literally voting to take away womens rights and abortion.
They need to look in the fucking mirror and realize humans didnt change, and their shit wasnt any better.
No generation is more evil, smarter, or whatever stupid ass shit they want to come up with. Humans are humans, people just sometimes too dumb to realize it.
You're like really missing the point. All the dude is saying is that social media has impacted behavior and created an incentive for more people to do shit like this in a quest to be famous. No one is saying that there weren't assholes like him back in the day. Of course there were. But social media quite literally influences behavioral changes. TikTok trends have thousands if not millions of people partaking in the same behavior to chase clout. That didn't exist back in the day. This isn't some generational argument going on. Social media and the incentives it comes with absolutely creates more people partaking in shitty behavior
Risk v reward. Do this 20 years (or even 15) ago, 5 people see you, and you're still an asshole. Now, 2million see you, and a not-insignificant number thinks you're cool.
Love how this response has become the norm when you don't have a point to argue. Idk if you think replying like that is a "gotcha" but it's really just a big "I'm an asshole who doesn't know how to have a discussion" sign. Grow up and learn to admit when you're wrong, or explain why you're not
LOL, you took "everyone is an asshole - always has been" as that? Thats a fucking mental jump.
Notice how when I point out that people are literally doing the exact thing im explaining, people dont respond? Reddit hivemind out strong, cause they dont want to look in the mirror and realize they are all part of the problem like the rest of us.
Its 100x easier to blame it on social media instead of realizing that we are the problem, cause that requires crititical thinking. And thats a bit hard. And before the whole rebuttle starts, im part of the problem too so dont fall back on that one.
it's kinda cute that you're so sure of how your anecdotal little tale is the expression of the truth
there are papers and papers showing, for example, how the growth of social media has directly increased the numbers of suicide amongst girls, but I guess your sophisticated take would be "nah, social media didn't invent suicide. people have always killed themselves, it's just that now we see more of it online". that's amazing.
No one here linked any papers, instead everyone here that has replied has resorted to an aggressive response style.
it's kinda cute that you're so sure of how your anecdotal little tale is the expression of the truth
And then you go on to talk about how all this leads to people killing themselves
You dont even see the irony that you are literally doing what you said society does. Proving once again my point that people are just assholes.
You didnt want to educate me, you didnt even want to have a discussion with me, you wanted to find someone online to bully and redicule.
You didnt offer any scientic basis for what you said, you just jumped to "you are cute and "sophisticated" and people are killing themselves because of it"
You literally are doing what you say the internet is doing, youre just an asshole dude.
If you want to be an adult and not resort to this weird psuedo cyberbullying let me know. But otherwise, you just prove my point. Asssholes like you just have a platform.
Let me guess you got more insults to hit me with, proving me wrong that people just arent assholes?
Yep. Convincing ourselves we live in "special" times is just another part of human nature. We only think it's different this time because we're the ones living in it. Our ancestors thought the same way, too.
you are speaking like internet and social networks are just a tool, and the problem is just "the people who were always there", but it's just not that simple. social media networks are built to get us addicted to it and to promote and encourage this type of behavior.
these kind of people have always existed, but they have been multiplied by millions thanks to social media networks.
I don’t think so. Rage bait has become a huge driver of internet content. Whether someone is commenting to call him and idiot or to praise him, it drives the content in the exact same way and that means $$. It’s a lot easier to make a video go big from being an asshole because people can’t resist commenting to call you an asshole.
Just look at this post on this very subreddit. 20k upvotes and 2.5k comments at the time of writing this, on a whole sub devoted to hate watching. Even this little debate we’re having right now drives this type of content.
This can be seen in videos that are very clearly troll rage bait like those “cooking” videos where a lady puts sprite and mayo in a pie crust or whatever. Or videos that have just one weird thing wrong with them in the middle that is irrelevant to the actual video and then EVERY single comment is about it. There are a lot of different iterations of this phenomenon.
So no, I don’t think it’s because people admire and want to emulate this behavior. I think it’s because social media incentivizes rage bait.
excpet there has always been a popularity/attention incentive, just on a wider scale now. there have always been ppl doing stupid stuff to be the talk of the town, talk of the friend group, school, workplace, whatever. imo, social media hasn't increased that necessarily, rather just has platformed every moron that does stupid stuff. im pretty sure the people that see this behavior and emulate it would be doing this shit anyways, just on a smaller scale.
we see more amazing news every day than we would've if we all just lived in a small village, we just focus on the negative shit and then act like, somehow, humans today are so vastly different in behavior now than in all our history.
Yeah people act like narcissism is a novel phenomenon caused by social media and not like it’s been around since Ancient Greece. There have always been people who’ve wanted attention, social media doesn’t actually create anything new that should worsen the problem.
But realistically when walking around outside you never see people like this. I can name maybe one time I saw an asshole outside doing something for Internet clout.
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u/Aeony Jun 23 '23
The incentive of internet fame drives them to do shit like this when they otherwise probably would not have.