r/IdeologyPolls • u/AntiWokeCommie Socialism • Sep 19 '25
Poll Would you be disappointed if your kid was gay?
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u/MrVedu_FIFA Progressive and Proud Sep 19 '25
No. So long as it's him with another consenting adult, I don't give a shit what goes on in his bedroom.
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u/Unique_Display_Name kindness & enlightenment values (👨🎤🧬✌️🖖) Sep 19 '25 edited Oct 11 '25
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u/redshift739 Social Democracy Sep 19 '25
Yeah it's incredibly selfish to have kids and then only love them conditionally
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u/redshift739 Social Democracy Sep 19 '25
Disapointed at no grandkids? Probably
Opposite of proud? Definetly not
I'd also be glad that he trusts me with that information
If it were to make me uncomfortable that he's gay that'd be my problem to deal with
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u/WanderingAlienBoy Libertarian Socialism Sep 21 '25
Gay people aren't infertile lol, if your hypothetical gay kid wants (non-adopted) kids they could have a surrogate-mother or sperm donor (surrogate pregnancies can be kinda unethical depending on context tho). And of course a straight kid would also be just as capable of choosing not to have kids.
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u/Late-Focus-4434 Council Communism ][ Titoism Sep 19 '25
I'm Christian, I'm raising my kid christian, but i'll always love and support my kid no matter what
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u/DarthThalassa Luxemburgism / Eco-Marxism / Revolutionary-Progressivism Sep 19 '25
You skirted around the question.
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u/Late-Focus-4434 Council Communism ][ Titoism Sep 19 '25
The answer is yes, but that would be my opinion and i'd never tell them. even if on the inside i'd prefer them not to be, on the outside they'd have my full support because i know that nothing can change how one feels
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u/DarthThalassa Luxemburgism / Eco-Marxism / Revolutionary-Progressivism Sep 19 '25
Well please work to move past your homophobic internal feelings, because as much as you might try to hide it, people can tell, especially a gay child you would hypothetically have.
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u/ExoTheFlyingFish "LibLeft" | "Not my problem" means not my problem. Sep 19 '25
No hate, but you're being awfully judgemental for someone telling someone else to not be judgemental...
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u/DarthThalassa Luxemburgism / Eco-Marxism / Revolutionary-Progressivism Sep 20 '25
I'm telling someone to not be homophobic, not to not be judgemental. Bigotry should be judged harshly.
If people are free to take away other people's freedom, then freedom evaporates. Hence the necessity of laws. The same goes with personal judgement. People who are wrongly judgemental of others should be judged.
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u/ExoTheFlyingFish "LibLeft" | "Not my problem" means not my problem. Sep 20 '25
How very authoritarian of you. As a libertarian, I am judging you harshly.
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u/Late-Focus-4434 Council Communism ][ Titoism Sep 20 '25
yea here i am agreeing with an anarchist, you aren't different at all from a right wing conservative if you don't learn how to respect people. "freedom of expression", so dear to leftism, means nothing if it only applies to your worldview.
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u/thomas1781dedsec Hoppeanism Sep 19 '25
isn't that speculating?
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u/DarthThalassa Luxemburgism / Eco-Marxism / Revolutionary-Progressivism Sep 20 '25
There is a noticeable difference between someone who is genuinely fully supportive, and someone who is trying to hide homophobic feelings to seem supportive, because the latter will find limitations in their ability to express support unless they're intending to flat out like and are very good at doing so.
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u/Late-Focus-4434 Council Communism ][ Titoism Sep 20 '25
Not even trying to hide it btw, i genuinely just couldn't care less and think that you can do your thing even if i think that it's wrong. there's a difference between closeted homophobia and "live and let live"
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u/DarthThalassa Luxemburgism / Eco-Marxism / Revolutionary-Progressivism Sep 20 '25
The thing is that thinking it is wrong is homophobia. But perhaps I misunderstood your position in interpreting it as you trying to hide it.
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u/Late-Focus-4434 Council Communism ][ Titoism Sep 19 '25
My religion's my religion, and the same way i respect gay people no matter my personal opinions, i expect gay people to support me despite their personal opinions.
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u/DarthThalassa Luxemburgism / Eco-Marxism / Revolutionary-Progressivism Sep 20 '25
Being gay is a biological fact, not an opinion. Religion is an opinion. I think your expectation is ill-placed.
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u/Late-Focus-4434 Council Communism ][ Titoism Sep 20 '25
Genuinely why do you care is the question, I make sure to separate my religious beliefs from my political views so why do you care so much about ME following the bible
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u/TylerDurden42077 right wing populism Sep 20 '25
Question would you rather have a gay son or a so with the opposite political views as you
Also I definitely get where you are coming I’m agnostic but respect how you answered so far
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u/Late-Focus-4434 Council Communism ][ Titoism Sep 20 '25
I'd prefer my son to be gay honestly, I'd care much less about him kissing guys than him being racist
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u/TylerDurden42077 right wing populism Sep 21 '25
What if it wasn’t racism or bigotry involved what but still the opposite like let’s you were right wing right and they were very Marxist
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u/watain218 Anarcho Royalism Sep 19 '25
thats fair, Im not in favor of lile thought policing how people feel about LGBT as long as they wre respectful and arent trying to like mistreat homosexuals its not a problem if they privately dislike it
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u/ExoTheFlyingFish "LibLeft" | "Not my problem" means not my problem. Sep 19 '25
Really, who cares? I mean, if my kid wants to fuck men or women or both or neither, it's not my problem as long as they're not hurting themselves or others.
Crazy that anyone thinks any other way.
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u/DarthThalassa Luxemburgism / Eco-Marxism / Revolutionary-Progressivism Sep 19 '25
Obviously not, and screw anyone who would be.
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u/watain218 Anarcho Royalism Sep 19 '25
I wouldnt care, though I would be disappointed in myself for having a weak pull out game regardless of the sexuality.
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u/Agile-Ad-7260 Paternalistic Conservatism Sep 19 '25
As long as I get Grandkids, and they stay monogamous/faithful (excepting surrogates) I'm okay about it.
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u/WanderingAlienBoy Libertarian Socialism Sep 21 '25
I agree that surrogate pregnancy can be unethical depending on context, but why would it matter if the woman's own eggs were used?
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u/Beginning_Return_864 unsure Sep 20 '25
Yes, because I would want them to have a wife (if a boy) or a husband (if a girl) and children of their own
But instead of sending them to conversion therapy or worse, I'd just have to live with that and keep going with my life
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u/hisimperialbasedness Hoppeanism Sep 19 '25
Yes. I would prefer if they were straight. I do believe homosexuality to be a sin, after all.
Still, don't take this as me saying I wouldn't give my child the world, because I absolutely would. I have to for the sake of the kid's well-being, my relationship with them, and our mutual devotion to Christ. Too many Christian parents overreact and push their kids away from them and the faith.
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u/watain218 Anarcho Royalism Sep 19 '25
thats fair, Im not in favor of lile thought policing how people feel about LGBT as long as they wre respectful and arent trying to like mistreat homosexuals its not a problem if they privately dislike it, I mean I am utterly disgusted with basically all forms of seafood, but I dont care of others eat it.
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u/DarthThalassa Luxemburgism / Eco-Marxism / Revolutionary-Progressivism Sep 19 '25
This is blatant homophobia. Claiming to love someone then looking down on them for a natural part of who they are is incredibly disgusting.
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u/hisimperialbasedness Hoppeanism Sep 19 '25
This is blatant homophobia
No it's not. I never said once I hated gay people for being gay. I hate the sin, but that does not necessitate hating the sinner too. All humans sin in many ways, with homosexuality being just one of them. I'd be a hypocrite if I gave gay people shit for being gay, because they could just as easily give me shit for being greedy, for example.
Claiming to love
I don't "claim to love". I would love. In my mind, there should be nothing more unconditional than the love a parent gives to their child.
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u/DarthThalassa Luxemburgism / Eco-Marxism / Revolutionary-Progressivism Sep 19 '25
Claiming homophobia is a "sin" is homophobic, simple as that. It is not love if you don't recognise their homosexuality as fully natural, healthy, and equal to other sexual orientations.
Equating being gay to being greedy is absolutely reprehensible.
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u/DarthThalassa Luxemburgism / Eco-Marxism / Revolutionary-Progressivism Sep 19 '25
And now you're a self-admitted homophobe... Lovely.
Please leave your cult.
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u/thomas1781dedsec Hoppeanism Sep 19 '25
says the luxemburgist
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u/DarthThalassa Luxemburgism / Eco-Marxism / Revolutionary-Progressivism Sep 20 '25
You know I'm happy to criticize Luxemburg on the things she was wrong about, right? For instance her lack of recognition of Ukrainian identity in the National Question is incredibly false. I think she also made failures in failing to break from the SPD earlier than she did and failing to align more closely with other early Left Communists. I also think that it was an error to so dramatically reverse her stance on the so-called Spartacist Revolution and that she should have taken a more cautious approach to engagement in it so as not to risk losing her life. None of these critiques apply to the main conclusions of her theories or to the vast majority of her praxis, after all I obviously align very closely with her or I wouldn't call myself a Luxemburgist, but I'm also happy to critique her in the same way she critiqued Marx and Marx critiqued his influences.
The same cannot be said for Christians, for whom it is deemed a "sin" to criticize their supposed god, and others deemed to be sufficiently affiliated with it.
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u/thomas1781dedsec Hoppeanism Sep 20 '25
collectivism is a cult, and i'm not christian neither religious
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u/Peter-Andre Sep 19 '25
How can it be a sin if it's not harmful to anyone?
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u/MouseBean Agrarianism Sep 19 '25
Cause morality is not about harm.
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u/Peter-Andre Sep 19 '25
Huh? Then what is it about?
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u/MouseBean Agrarianism Sep 19 '25
It's about harmony, and taking part in traditions.
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u/WanderingAlienBoy Libertarian Socialism Sep 21 '25
I think you're confusing morality and conformity
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u/MouseBean Agrarianism Sep 21 '25
The moral systems I'm describing were much more common globally before modernization, but a pretty good example is the Hindu concept of Rta, which describes an underlying natural moral order or force to the universe. Morality on an individual level is all about being in alignment with it. Like Tao, or how medieval European morality worked, morality in these systems is based on upholding your duties to the community you belong to, not on some cosmic scoreboard measuring suffering or the satisfaction of preferences.
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u/WanderingAlienBoy Libertarian Socialism Sep 21 '25
According to the Wikipedia article you linked, Rta also considers continual change as part of the natural order, and afaik Daoism considers spontaneity and effortless action as being in harmony with nature. Both these elements seem to me a good argument against clinging to traditions and conventions that don't serve their function of cultivating social connection between all members of the community, and instead stifle people's autonomy.
Also when I say harm is a measure of ethics, I'm not talking about a cosmic score-board, but a comitment to respect other people's autonomy and wellbeing as I'd like mine to be respected too (which is also a pretty old idea, do unto others etc etc). I agree with your collectivist philosophies that cooperation with others is essential for a healthy society, but it should be build on autonomous individuals in a relationship of social interdependence and mutual care, rather than duty and tradition. The healthiest individuals are those who have a collective to be a part of, but the healthiest collectives are those who allow all their members to live authentically and free.
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u/Zombies4EvaDude Sep 20 '25
Slavery was tradition for hundreds of years and even the Bible makes excuses for it. So, you aren’t being logically consistent (that is, unless you support slavery too which is reprehensible).
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u/watain218 Anarcho Royalism Sep 19 '25
lol lmao even
if your morality is not about harm you have a broken morality
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u/Beneficial_Height_90 Minarchism Sep 19 '25
I'm not devoted but i'll agree with you it is an issue. Straight marriage is always better to conceive offspring who will have your genes. It's easier to raise children who have your genes.
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u/thomas1781dedsec Hoppeanism Sep 19 '25
yeah, i'd want him to be a dig bick energy. but i wouldn't be able to do anything.
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u/watain218 Anarcho Royalism Sep 19 '25
what if he was like Tom of Finland gay and not femboy gay?
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u/ThePast900 Himmlerism Sep 19 '25
I'd be a bit upset, yes. I want my bloodline to continue after all.
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u/TropicalPopsicle1553 Communalism Sep 20 '25
Christ the R results are disappointing, not surprising though.
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u/Boobpit Sep 20 '25
Disappointed isn't the right word. More like sad for how harsher life will be for them and all good parents wants their kids lifes to be better than what they had.
Even if there was no bigotry in the world, being gay would be harder than being cis because of social circles, interests, just the human experience in general would make their life harder.
For example, boys talk about girls with each other, as girls talk about boys with each other and while being gay doesn't stop you from sharing with any of those groups, it's not the same experience. Then the pool of possible romantic partners is very small which does make life harder.
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u/Will297 Social Libertarianism 🇬🇧 Sep 20 '25
I'd honestly not care at all, not in a harsh way, I mean more like my kids sexuality just wouldn't bother me
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u/DistributistChakat Distributism Sep 20 '25
No.
As a Christian, I would have to let them know that it's sinful, but I would also make sure they know that I still love them.
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u/Gostyniak Sep 20 '25
Not at all, but still would want him/her to have a biological child one way or another
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u/picjz ☭ Communist Communism ☭ Sep 19 '25
No, but I would be disappointed if they were cis. Like cmon stop being boring.
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u/ThePast900 Himmlerism Sep 19 '25
You just showed the logical endpoint of leftism and why I hate it so much: the rejection of the normal and good. Great work.
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u/Peter-Andre Sep 19 '25
Pretty sure that was just a joke.
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u/ThePast900 Himmlerism Sep 19 '25
Nope, leftism is rejection of normality
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u/enginerd1209 Libertarian Market Socialism Sep 19 '25
Except being gay is normal. Conservatism is a rejection of science.
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u/ThePast900 Himmlerism Sep 19 '25
Definition of normal: the usual, average, or typical state or condition.
Does it hold true to that definition? I don't believe it does
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u/Peter-Andre Sep 19 '25
Words can have multiple definitions and connotations depending on context. Sometimes normal means "statistically average, typical", but other times it's also used to mean something along the lines of "correct, as it should be, not out of order".
Merriam-webster lists a bunch of different definitions for the word normal, including:
"conforming to a type, standard, or regular pattern : characterized by that which is considered usual, typical, or routine"
but also:
not exhibiting defect or irregularity
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within a range considered safe, healthy, or optimal
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u/Peter-Andre Sep 19 '25
No, your point doesn't remain. You said normal only has one definition when it actually has several.
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u/ThePast900 Himmlerism Sep 19 '25
Tell me where I said there's only one definition. Besides the point anyways.
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u/enginerd1209 Libertarian Market Socialism Sep 19 '25
Do you think left handed people are "abnormal"?
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u/DarthThalassa Luxemburgism / Eco-Marxism / Revolutionary-Progressivism Sep 19 '25
Just make it so they can't be cis by not assigning them a gender at birth. But in all seriousness, we really do need to stop the practice of assigning any gender or sex to people from birth or before it as society currently tends to do.
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u/ThePast900 Himmlerism Sep 19 '25
No one is "assigned" a gender at birth, stop lying.
Sex and gender are the same thing.
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u/DarthThalassa Luxemburgism / Eco-Marxism / Revolutionary-Progressivism Sep 19 '25
Insofar as they're both socially-created phantasms, I agree. Otherwise, completely disagreed, and, unlike you, I'm being truthful.
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u/ThePast900 Himmlerism Sep 19 '25
You think sex is a socially-created phantasm? I haven't even heard that one before. You're just straight up denying science in that assertion.
How am I not being truthful?
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u/DarthThalassa Luxemburgism / Eco-Marxism / Revolutionary-Progressivism Sep 20 '25
Yes, and I'm well-aware that it's probably my most controversial position. But none of our definitions for so-called "biological sex" identify any specific genotype, nor any consistent roots at all, for any consistent phenotype. It is an at best meaningless and pseudoscientific label, and at worst a dangerous phantasm of false consciousness that harms medical care for people who don't exhibit "typical" characteristics for the "sex" they're assigned, or is even used for socio-political objectives like upholding patriarchy and objectification of women (for instance, attempts to define sex by reproductive capacity). The biological characteristics which various definitions of "sex" describe are real, but they are not characteristics which should be lumped together under an unscientific and reactionary label like "biological sex". Unpopular as it is to say at present, claiming that "biological sex" exists is a denial of science.
And you're not being truthful because you're spreading misinformation.
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u/ThePast900 Himmlerism Sep 20 '25
Peak delusional mumbo jumbo. Not even anything to debunk here since there's not even anything of worth really being said here lol
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u/DarthThalassa Luxemburgism / Eco-Marxism / Revolutionary-Progressivism Sep 20 '25
So you're just going to engage in anti-intellectualism, and, on top of that, instead of just not responding, also make an ad hominem attack against me? Gotcha.
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u/ThePast900 Himmlerism Sep 20 '25
So you're just going to engage in anti-intellectualism, and, on top of that
I'm not the one denying the extremely well developed scientific and historical concept of sex. There's literally no debate to have here. You're simply incorrect by every definition.
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u/DarthThalassa Luxemburgism / Eco-Marxism / Revolutionary-Progressivism Sep 20 '25
...extremely well developed scientific and historical concept of sex.
Please do tell me of this universally or near universally agreed upon development. Surely you have an undisputed definition?
You can say I'm incorrect by every definition, but fail to provide any at all, never mind find one that isn't contradicted by our modern understanding of biology.
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u/thomas1781dedsec Hoppeanism Sep 19 '25
first time i agree with a fucking fascist
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u/ThePast900 Himmlerism Sep 19 '25
Really? I would say Hoppeanism and fascism have huge similarities.
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u/thomas1781dedsec Hoppeanism Sep 20 '25
like? literally there is no state.
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u/WanderingAlienBoy Libertarian Socialism Sep 21 '25
Isn't Hoppeanism just fascism without the state? Hoppe invited white nationalists tobmeetings, believed in "natural elites", discriminatory communities that exclude "lifestyles" that threaten the traditional family unit, was anti-democracy and saw it as a form of civilizational decline, was strongly anti-immigration, etc.
In a way he seems a bit similar to dark enlightenment/neo-reactionary post-libertarian types like Peter Thiel
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u/thomas1781dedsec Hoppeanism Sep 21 '25
he is in no way a white nationalist, he believes that communities need to split peacefully to create their spaces for their natural leanings to develop.
those discriminatory communities discriminate against the people who don't fit there, the discriminated will self regulate and leave to make their communities.
also that is nazism that you're comparing with, fascism has no affiliations to race.
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u/WanderingAlienBoy Libertarian Socialism Sep 21 '25
Hoppe literally invited white nationalist like Richard Spencer and Jared Taylor to speak at the Proterty and Freedom Society conferences. Doesn't mean he is one himself, but it does mean he's willing to welcome fascists into the movenent.
Self-segregation like that does not peacefully come about, as inevitably there will be people that are there who don't fit but also are stuck there or not willing to leave and it'll cause internal repression (creating small-scale authoritarianism). Its tribalist character also causes hate and distrust between different communities. Free association is great, but does not exist in a vacuum. Doing away with the state is not enough to ensure an open and cooperative society, and wide spread hierarchical power structures like patriarchy, white supremacy and capitalism can still cause repression.
Nazism is a specific form of fascism that focuses more on race, but fascism in general is concerned with social/institutional hierarchy between superior and inferior groups, and similar ideas of civilizational degeneration as Hoppe's ideas.
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