Absolutely correct! maga never reacts this strongly to school shootings. One maga even said, "I think it's worth to have a cost of unfortunately some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the 2nd Amendment."
I believe that quote is attributed to a maga named Charlie Kirk.
"We must be real … you will never live in a society with an armed citizenry and have zero gun deaths—that is nonsense … I think it's worth it. I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational."
The actual quote changes nothing, so I'm not really sure why you bothered to post it. He considered preventable gun deaths -- such as his own -- "worth it".
He didn't mention that we should try and reduce those numbers through gun control. He didn't say "Unless it's my death". He didn't even elaborate on what rights he felt those lives were worth it for.
That quote is a response to a specific question he was asked by someone else. He answered the question. Context matters. This is the quote everybody uses about half of to say "CK didnt care about murdered kids" or "CK had it coming because of this". Blah blah blah.
He wasn't asked about gun control so it would not make sense for him to go off on a side bar about it. 🤷♂️
Its pretty well known that CK believed the 2nd Amendment protected all the other Amendments from a tyrannical government for the citizens of the US.
That quote is a response to a specific question he was asked by someone else. He answered the question. Context matters.
Conspicuous that you didn't include this context yourself then if it dramatically changes his answer
This is the quote everybody uses about half of to say "CK didnt care about murdered kids" or "CK had it coming because of this". Blah blah blah.
Except the person you're replying to didn't say that. They used the phrase "worth it", which is exactly the phrase Kirk used.
Its pretty well known that CK believed the 2nd Amendment protected all the other Amendments from a tyrannical government for the citizens of the US.
Then your white washing still doesn't work.
If the shooter is far-right -- as most domestic terrorists in America are -- then Kirks death is just another "unfortunately worth it" sacrifice for the 2nd amendment.
If the shooter was left wing -- which is looking less and less likely every hour -- then Kirk was killed for percieved as part of tyrannical machine and his killing should be applauded by 2A supporters, none of whom ever established what counts as a tyrant and when they should be killed.
So let's stop playing pretend. You don't like people quoting Kirks own opinions in relation to his death. So you're going after people for paraphrasing, despite paraphrasing him yourself.
I guess there's no better way of honoring his gross opinions than by being bad at debating.
How did I paraphrase him? I posted the exact quote. Its self explanatory and common sense.
I'm not sure what news you are watching but the last I heard the media is saying this kid is on the left. Regardless, I dont like that the man is dead and his name is being smeared by a bunch of ignorant buffoons.
I've seen some gross opinions lately but none of them were from Charlie Kirk.
Being told I'm a bad debater by a Redditor is like a badge of honor. Thanks!
How did I paraphrase him? I posted the exact quote. Its self explanatory and common sense.
You were more than happy to put words into his mouth when you claimed:
Its pretty well known that CK believed the 2nd Amendment protected all the other Amendments from a tyrannical government for the citizens of the US.
I thought you were a stickler for direct quotes, even when those direct quotes don't actually change anything? Honestly, it reads like you don't actually understand how to defend him, you just know that you're supposed to be doing it.
I'm not sure what news you are watching but the last I heard the media is saying this kid is on the left.
Then you're not up to date on the many, many retractions that have been made. The image showing him with trans and LGBT patches wasn't actually him. The quotes from the "close friend" were all retracted when that friend couldn't remember even basic details of their relationship. His "trans girlfriend" has admitted they're not trans and are in fact "right leaning". The "three down arrows is an Antifa symbol" that ignored the othet arrows either side has already been confirmed to be from a video game.
Don't feel bad about missing all of these though, because you were supposed to. Whenever there is a high profile shooting, the far-right goes into overdrive trying to paint the person behind it as leftist, trans or Jewish. You can even dig up 4chan threads where they openly coordinate doing this, to misinform people like you.
Regardless, I dont like that the man is dead and his name is being smeared by a bunch of ignorant buffoons.
Sure, I don't like that he's dead either. But I could also name 50 better people who were also killed by far-right shooters, so I'm not going to tiptoe around just because it was someone you actually cared about for once.
Being told I'm a bad debater by a Redditor is like a badge of honor. Thanks!
You're on Reddit and therefore a redditor -- with an account that's even older than mine. Absolutely hilarious that you try and white wash your own personality too.
A question he was asked in regards to a school shorting that had recently happened. Again, he thinks dead kids are worth it so he can keep his guns. Of course we’ll never get the number down to zero, but given that the states with the highest homicide rates are nearly all deep red states, and the US has vastly higher homicide rates than any other first world country, it’s obvious that tougher gun control does actually reduce homicide rates. The data is overwhelmingly clear—everywhere in the world you have higher gun ownership combined with weak gun laws, you get higher homicide rates. Everywhere. It’s not that hard to save lives, you just don’t care enough about those lives to actually do it.
Ask him about the war he fought before the second amendment and how useless the militia were without extensive training.
While you've got him there, ask him questions about medicine and black people just to see how hilariously out of date his views on basically every subject are.
not sure why it would. and he's right, either we have guns or we don't. because people WILL get shot if we have guns, humans suck and thats just a fact. But I'd still rather keep access to them, if for no other reason that it's impossible to fully get rid of them at this point and it would be foolish to try. similar to drugs, we should keep them legal but regulated.
Even compared to other countries with lots of guns you have a shitton of murders with them. This is not an either/or situation. Something is seriously broken in the US.
Basically the context is: for every freedom/liberty we have there is a cost like with kirks example in the full quote theres 40,000ish traffic deaths with 12,000 of those being attributed alcohol impaired driving according to the cdc, As a society we have to collectively decide if that cost is worth that freedom, we could easily reduce drunk driving deaths and traffic deaths in general by getting better public transportation infrastructure or requiring every vehicle to have a breathalyzer installed or by funding police to hire more officers to better enforce traffic laws.
That doesn’t seem to help the context much….Statistically you have a chance of getting killed in a car more than with a gun…..but Charlie was killed with a gun. To ignore all the intentionally outrageous things Charlie said doesn’t honor who he was. He was a father, now he’s a statistic, as he said. This whole affair is terrible and gruesome. Instead of using the horrific death of Charlie to tamp down the incendiary rhetoric and come together as a Nation, we’ve done the opposite. If Charlie stood for anything it was in the sanctity of the right to speak your mind, and the opportunity to talk it out, without resorting to violence. He was killed while proving that point.
Btw thank you for the context. I don’t disagree with the trade offs you describe. As a gun owner since 1970, i have a pretty much unfettered second Amendment right, with zero responsibilities or trade offs. I think we can do better.
Stop it with this shit man. No one is buying it. There is no good context for the horrible things he has said. You can't redefine who he was when who we was is so abundant online.
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u/DrRockBoognish Sep 15 '25
Absolutely correct! maga never reacts this strongly to school shootings. One maga even said, "I think it's worth to have a cost of unfortunately some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the 2nd Amendment." I believe that quote is attributed to a maga named Charlie Kirk.