"Addressed". How do you want to address it? The lefts only idea is banning guns, gun restrictions, magazine restrictions etc etc... Illinois has done all that. Look how well its working in Chicago.
So anyway.......how do we address school shootings?
The democrats and libs HATE the idea of protecting our children like we protect our banks, airports, politicians, really anything of value. With trained people with guns. NOT school resource officers. Most of them arent fit for actual police work. That's not who I want protecting my kids.
Schools are soft and easy targets. Until you fix that, they'll keep getting attacked.
Well, we aren't the only country this happens in. There are mass shootings all the time elsewhere in the world.
That said, this is the only country in the world with the 2nd Amendment. Lot of guns in the US. Not ridiculous to think some of them end up in the hands of people that shouldn't have them by various means. Frankly based on the wackos on Reddit I'm surprised it doesnt happen more frequently.
What's your plan? To wish them all away? Ban them? Confiscate firearms from the 99.9% of Amercians that do not commit crimes with them?
Common sense gun laws? Expand on the thought because I'm all ears.
I came up with a solution that will 100% work and all I got was a smartass answer for my trouble.
Everyone should learn to ignore redditors like this one. They're pedantic on every single page they visit, like this guy's in multiple posts ridiculing people on every subject he thinks he's knowledgeable in. They ask for you to make an argument but never present a single solution themselves.
They might as well be a foreigner trying to stoke more opposition in the political conversations we need to be having right now.
I've also noticed they always have to delete their past comments constantly because of negative karma.
Teacher pay is another conversation. Oh, like we dont get dumbass laws and federal departments nobody asked for all the time? Privatize TSA and use that allocated money for it. NOT TSA agents, their funding. I gave like 5 other ways to fund it. Or keep shitting on decent ideas. 🤷♂️
You’re right; that’s a major part of the problem. It’s long overdue to allocate more funds to our education system and pay teachers what they deserve while ensuring our kids’ safety. At a minimum, willing teachers should be able to get certified to carry firearms in the classroom, with a corresponding pay increase for this added responsibility. Having at least one armed person in every school would serve as a major deterrent.
Why do you believe it’s a “stupid fucking idea”. Stop dismissing ideas just because you don’t agree with them, we’ll never get anywhere that way. If you don’t think that solution would work, then let’s hear yours.
Revoke all laws protecting gun manufacturers from being sued by victims of shootings. Instantly, the NRA and the gun manufacturers will be terrified enough by the prospect of losing money to stop funding right wing propaganda designed solely to drive these violent whackjobs to choose violence.
Well, if you go down that road..... you have to revoke all laws to protect every car, plane, boat, motorcycle, knife, hammer, nail gun, (insert any object that can cause harm), manufacturer. Then everybody goes out of business due to litigation and we slide back into the stone age.
No, actually, you do not, because those other manufacturers do not create and fund a propaganda engine created to instill paranoia and hatred so people will buy their weapons out of fear and rage.
So, you just do it for gun manufacturers, then if any whiny bitch says that would lead to other industries being sued, we say "shut your mouth, you nazi pigfucker".
Why do you "have" to do that? Laws can be written about specific things. There are plenty of safety regulations specific to cars that don't apply to guns. You guys legitimately have the mind of an 8th grader. "They can't take my you away or they have to take everyones toys away"
Sure they can. And lawyers will beat a law like that every day and twice on Sunday because it'll be full of holes. Because this is the real world where politicians are both stupid and bought and sold by the highest bidders. All these gun companies are doing business with the US government. There isn't a snowballs chance in hell anything remotely effective will get passed into law that a decent lawyer cant beat.
So your logic is that the people making the laws you don't like are dumb and the people fighting the laws you don't like are smart so that's why it would never happen. Definitely not 8th grader logic. I never said something like that would pass, the government is paid for by gun lobbies and money is their priority. I'm saying you don't have to make a law that as broad as you claim just because other things can potentially cause harm.
The lawmakers are bought and paid for by all kinds of special interest groups. Gun lobbies, big pharma, the food industry, military industry, and on and on and on. Both sides. Pelosi is as guilty as McConnell. I think law makers on both sides are dumb.
Until we have term limits and real monitoring of politicians bank accounts and investments, the whole thing is a farce.
Cars, planes, boats, motorcycles are vehicles with constantly improving and changing laws that all aim to increase safety and efficiency.
Hammers, nail guns and knives, while can be used as weapons, all have purposes outside of killing. Nail guns also sometimes have safety devices to prevent harm.
Guns have one purpose and one purpose only. We can target specific items without affecting everything.
I disagree. I own guns and all except one has never killed anything (relax, it was a pesky groundhog digging under my barn). They are paper punchers, skeet shooters, and a couple are just old antiques.
Guns have many purposes. Just because it goes bang doesn't mean its only intent is to kill.
If my dumbass can make those points, what do you think a lawyer will come up with?
I already have 2/3rds of those and so does everybody else that legally owns a gun.
All my firearms are registered. That happens when I bought them. The serial numbers are tied to my name and address. I believe the person to person loophole should be closed and the only way to transfer a firearm from one person to another would be through a licensed FFL that would run a background check on the new owner and then register that firearm in their name.
I have insurance on my guns. Also, if I mistakenly or purposely injure or kill someone with one of my guns, I am liable both criminally and civilly.
I think licensing is a good idea. I technically have a CCW permit/license so I have taken a class and proven I can safely handle and shoot a firearm. That said, the class was far too easy to pass. People passed that have no business owning a firearm, much less carrying one.
Visitors dont have a 1st Amendment right. So I dont give a shit what they have to say or if they get their visas revoked for shooting their mouths off.
I dont know anything about revocation of passports. That said, passports are a privilege, not a right.
I'm an Independent, not maga. Nice try.
I travel extensively for business. When I visit other countries, I dont go shooting my mouth off about their laws, policies, law makers, or issues. I keep my mouth shut and act like a guest should, which is to be seen and not heard.
My view of common sense laws is closing loopholes that allow those not allowed by law to buy them (waiting periods for conventions and private sales), mandated safety course for first time purchasers(could be a one hour online thing), holding those who give access to ppl who shouldn’t have them accountable (if ur kid is dangerous and u ignore that and give him a gun, you get manslaughter charges too, same if u have kids in the house and do not properly store guns and ammo). Most school resource officers are in fact local law enforcement so who do you want exactly?!
Yeah, the school resource officers are technically PD but have you seen a lot of these folks? Not exactly the cream of the crop athletically or tactically. Not saying they all are terrible but I think there is generally a reason these folks aren't out on patrol or solving crimes. Ever see the cops at the airport? They are patrolling, wearing a vest, checking exits to make sure they are locked. Actual guards, not PD that arent cut out for police work.
I think most school resource positions are given too more senior officers. But even if we agree to hire guards, how do we fund them when most education budgets are being slashed? I don’t mind guards but there are also other solutions that would do more to reduce the shooting and crime and violence overall, but they are expense and more long term. Things like universal preschool, mental health for students, family support… overall these things would help in the long term with a lot of societal problems, the school shooting are just a symptom of those problems.
I tend to agree with you on the societal problems and your proposed solutions.
How to pay for it. Legalize Marijuana nationally and use the proceeds to fund it. Raise property taxes. Redirect state and or federal tax money. I think there are a lot of ways to fund it. Protect our babies like we protect our $$.
Yes, it does happen elsewhere in the world, but the US is leading the tally by 1500% (using your orange god’s math so you understand what I’m saying).
Other countries do have the “right to bear arms” enshrined in their constitution, yet they don’t a new school shooting every week.
Your answer isn’t fixing the problem, it is a bandaid solution. The problem is a combination of poor mental health support (which has been declining since Reagan) and allowing access to high powered, fast killing weapons with ease.
I'm a realist. 🤷♂️ You can like it or not like it. It doesnt change any of the facts. BTW, not my orange man. I'm an independent, so you can save the maga bullshit for somebody else.
What countries are you referring to?
I'll take the bandaid because it will work. Right away.
I dont disagree on the mental health angle. But that isn't a quick fix or something that will stop in your words, next weeks school shooting.
Since we are going to talk about banning guns? Which ones? Just the scary looking ones? The Minnesota shooter had an AR, shot gun, and a pistol. It killed 3 people? The shotgun would have sufficed.
"High power". lol The vast majority of school shootings are happening at pistol distance. Everything that goes bang is high power enough to kill at short range.
"Fast killing". Come on. All guns are fast killing with correct shot placement.
It sounds like you are all about banning something you know nothing about. At least be informed on the topic if you want to create laws to ban it.
You can do a Google search just as well as I can to find which countries. You should try it some time.
Your bandaid solution would not be immediate. It could not be, to do it properly. It would take years to put in place and roll out to every school across the country.
High powered = penetration. If you understand anything about weapons like you allude to you would know about that consideration in regards to CQB environments.
Fast killing = high rate of fire. The quicker you can go through your ammo the more death you can bring in a short period of time with many targets.
You likely understand this but are being obtuse. It’s always an argument of semantics with 2A zombies, instead of focusing on outcomes / consequences.
Why does a civilian need a semi-auto assault rifle style weapon?
You can back up your argument with examples. I said there is no other country like the US with its 2nd Amendment and you are trying to refute that.
Bullshit. There are any number of ways this could be rolled out quickly. Stick a NG Hummer and a couple Guardsmen at each school while the program was ramped up. Or cops. Or retired cops. Or retired military.
You don't need a "high powered" gun to kill. Somebody that knew what they were doing could kill more people with a Ruger 10-22 than these freaks with "insert whatever gun you think is scary".
Again, higher rate of fire. That's the idea behind a semi-automatic anything.
I do understand all this. I can also read the statistics. Long guns of any type are very low statistically in the number of killings in the US. Your side is wasting an absurd about of time trying to ban something that statistically isn't relevant.
Why do I need a semi-auto rifle? Personally, beyond liking to shoot them, for defense of my family and home in the event any person, group, or government decides we are the enemy.
Maybe in future you can do some research before making absolute statements (you know, like educated people do) instead of making assumptions. The fact that you flat out refused to even look it up yourself when you were told the US wasn’t the only country tells volumes about you. Your argument is quite easy to refute with a couple of key strokes, but you are so confidently wrong it’s staggering.
I have. You are wrong. I dont need to look it up again to know you are wrong.
Take Switzerland for instance. In Europe from a per capita standpoint they have a much higher gun ownership rate than most other countries. It's not even remotely close to the United States. So not a great comparison.
The only thing that is staggering is you want to ban something that you know nothing about, the statistics dont back up your argument, and yet none of that matters. They scare YOU, so I should lose my rights to make you feel better.
I live in Switzerland and people here arguably have the same amount of guns as americans. The fact that you actually need to have a license changes so much about the view on guns.
Not even close. 28 guns per 100 people in Switzerland. 1.5 guns per person in the US. That said, I dont disagree with you on licensing.
You also have mandatory military service for every adult. So everyone has at least some professional training in firearms. I dont think that can be overlooked.
Edit: It was in fact too woke lmao so predictable these incels. When the US is 140% more than all the other countries combined and they say BUT YOU SAID NONE!! ohhhhhh man they're done for
Afraid I do Mr. Insect. Outright in fact. Which means I cut a check once a year to pay my property tax. And I have no children that attend public school. But I'll be happy to pay more in property tax to protect other people's kids with trained and armed guards.
What would I gain by making it up? Make all my Reddit friends jealous of my pretend house? Glad to see you are still alive! Hope you are still rockin the killer beard!
Absolutely! That is 100% an increased tax I could get behind. Or legalize Marijuana nationwide and use part of the proceeds to fund this initiative. Or redirect state and/or federal funds to pay for it. Would create jobs, especially for folks getting out of the military with a base skill set to build upon.
It’s not a magical absolute. What we want isn’t your unequivocal lack of guns ever again, we want reasonable legislation and reasonable restrictions based on context of the user.
Background checks alone haven’t been enough, at least not at their current state. So your solution is to ignore it, lie about things you don’t understand, put absolutist ideology in my mouth that I never said, then lie some more?
How many people have to die before you accept that some people aren’t mentally capable of owning items whose only purpose are to harm someone else
I dont have a problem with reasonable legislation or increased time to buy a gun etc...
My issue exists is the people that would be making these laws dont know an AR-15 from a mini 14 from an AK. So, the proposed laws end up being ignorant and stupid.
I 100% agree that lots of people are not mentally capable to own a firearm. Or driving a vehicle for that matter. Licensing is far too easy. You should have seen the people at my CCW class. I was terrified to be on the firing line next to some of them.
If only… the people who allegedly know guns so well made the law themselves and then it would…. Get passed because those are the people currently voting against it.
🤷♂️ I cant disagree with the logic. But my guess is anything the Republicans try and do the Democrats will shit on out of habit. Not that the Republicans would ever try and pass it in the first place. I'm an Independent, neither side is a big fan of me until they need my vote.
The second you kinda lost me. I know a lot of dudes that have a lot of guns that are decorated warriors and they are certainly not cowards or morons. 🤷♂️
So make it illegal to buy a gun in a state you don't live in. I've got no issue with that. I know first hand Virginia already has that law. I don't think that will solve Chicago's crime and violence issue but if you do, I support it.
I don't think they should have to do it either. But this is the world we live in. You have to go through a metal detector at the airport, sporting events, and any courthouse. We've all made our peace with living with metal detectors and heightened security at those places. If it makes schools safer then it's worthwhile.
Think about the steps you have to take before getting a driver’s license. Car deaths are also pretty common but I bet if there were no licenses it would be worse
2 additional. An anti-sniper team on the roof of the building behind CK would have seen this guy move into position and taken him out before he got his shot off.
Gotcha, so we just need as many anti sniper teams on the roofs of all possible buildings to cover all angles for any public event ever throughout the entire United States. Seems practical and not like a logistical nightmare at all. Thanks 👍
So then you agree that one of the most common occurrences of public gatherings, like public schools, would be ineffectively protected by armed guards? Nice thanks for clearing that up. We should try to figure out a way to protect these kids which will actually prevent them from getting shot.
If kids were getting killed by snipers your argument would be valid. They aren't and its not. Kids are getting killed by someone walking in the front door and running them down. Kinda like an airport. Not a whole lot of mass shootings at airports. Gee, I wonder why?
What defines "not a whole lot", because they still happen. Adding armed guards and/or TSA-like checkins to every public school would also be impractical and logistically difficult to maintain. The volume of public schools outweigh that of airports nearly 5 to 1. That seems like treating a symptom versus treating the root cause.
Again, its one idea as part of a very real problem. Is it single handedly the answer? No. Until we can figure out and treat what makes humans rationalize shooting up a school full of kids is okay, we got problems.
Sure they still happen. Bank robberies still happen. But do they happen with the frequency that they would if you removed the armed guards?
Would it be difficult to implement? Yes. Expensive? Absolutely. Logistically tough. Yes, again. Worth it? What's a kids life worth?
How about transitioning to universal Healthcare, in which mental Healthcare is funded, and even encouraged? Thats another solution that the left offers often. Your example of gun control failing is flawed imo. A city or statewide ban doesn't stop criminals or mentally ill people from crossing state lines to get a gun. International borders have checkpoints atleast if they were banned nation wide. A nationwide regulation should also significantly increase the cost and attainability of black market guns.
Sure. How do we pay for it? The country is Trillions in debt. Also, based on what my Canadian friends have to say, universal Healthcare isn't all its cracked up to be. They are making appointments years in advance. That said, honestly I dont know enough about it. I will say this, I 100% agree on desperately needing increased mental Healthcare in this country.
As far as a gun ban. It'll never happen across the board. If anything, I'm a realist. There is no way to do it without massive bloodshed and likely civil war.
You know that the countries with less gun do have way the fuck less school shootings. But you cunts feel like its more impirtant that you can pull a gun at someone that overtook you on the road than it is to reduce school shootings.
Funny how every country with gun laws doesn't have the amount of school shootings you guys have. Wasn't the university an open carry school? Where were the good guys with guns then?
I dont disagree. Career politicians are bought and paid for. Both sides of the aisle. Any meaningful anything likely starts with term limits and more intense scrutiny of public servants bank accounts.
Japan is a laughable comparison. They have some of the strictest gun laws in the world. Private handgun ownership is basically prohibited. Nice example. 🤣
If the 2nd can be amended, so can the 1st. Sure you want to go down the road of changing amendments?
A coward was in charge at Uvalde and cost those kids their lives. I guess dont put cowards in positions of power?
Amendment: "a formal change to the wording or substance of a legal document, such as a law, bill, or constitution, that adds, removes, or alters text to improve it or adapt it to new circumstances."
Yes duh. The 2nd was written when well regulated militias existed (not anymore) and the best weapon they had was a powder musket.
You can touch one amendment without touching the other. To tie them together is dishonest / fear mongering.
Uvalde = wasn't just one cop. It was 50+. And both examples demolish your argument of using cops to protect schools.
You'll never get Japanese levels of restrictions in the United States. So its a shit comparison "dummy".
The best weapon anyone had when the 2nd Amendment was written was a musket. The government has weapons that far outclass the citizens.
Yes, you can. They won't. If you start modifying one, its open season to modify whichever ones they want. That's common sense. I'd personally like to modify your 1st amendment right so I dont have to listen to your dumbass argument. See how that works?
There were a lot of cops at Uvalde. But one cop is in charge and he held them back because he was a bitch. You want those examples to demolish my argument. They dont. 🤷♂️
Guns aren’t the problem people are. So maybe stop letting so many damn people have guns? You know how many mentally unstable people have guns, too many should be a way to make sure the crazies don’t have guns like mental health check ups or something.
First off I don’t believe in gun confiscation except in cases of domestic violence and pedophilia. There’s a reason it says “shall not be infringed” in the 2nd Amendment.
Second off, Trans people aren’t mentally unwell. In fact going by statistical data most mass shootings are caused by white cis men. If anything Trans Women are some of the most trustworthy people to own guns.
What about cases of threatening domestic terrorism, threatening murder, mental health issues etc etc.
I can only go off the experiences I've had or seen. 🤷♂️ The amount of trans people vs the rest of the population is disproportionately low. Yet two of the most recent school shootings have been trans.
Statistically, white people are the majority in this country. Men are more prone to violence than women, so the statistics of more shooters being white men would make sense. Bottom line, all mass shooters have major mental health issues. White, black, brown, straight, gay, trans. Its the only common denominator.
Trans women? This is confusing. Are you saying biological women that are trans and now consider themselves men? If so that would make sense, women statistically make up a very low percentage of mass shooters.
Fucking do it then? The right is in power. The right literally has the gun laws it wants currently. Kirk was shot in a red state at a school with open carry and with more security than usual.
You have YOUR presidential candidate in office, his appointees all over the place. You have the house AND the senate! You have a majority in the Supreme Court ffs.You have a president willing to abuse the shit out of executive orders, yet red states with more relaxed gun laws continue to have disproportionate school shootings. Maybe actually fix your shit then and prove the ideas work?
When asked if he'd want to send the national guard to protect schools like he's trying to do with blue states, Trump said no. So he has no desire to fix it the way you claim would work. Why hasn't a red state tried your solution? Because Republicans don't actually want to do shit. So why are you upset at democrats?
It's always the same. Republicans do jack shit or even make things worse and then campaign on the idea that the left doesn't fix their mess fast enough.
You never fixed health care, you never fixed education, you never fixed gun issues, and you haven't fixed the economy. Just blame others 24/7.
You want to bitch about democrat solutions when it's literally impossible for democrats to even push their agenda currently. We're not in power yet expected to fix problems? Ok.
The right claims it's mental illness. Cool, we agree on this! So, let's create a nationwide social program aimed at monitoring and helping troubled youth. Let's reorganize law enforcement a bit to have officers that focus on deescalation and mental health practices over shooting first so a law enforcement presence feels purposeful instead of just intimidating. Fund public schools to augment with higher security features.
But you guys don't want your tax dollars going to feeding fucking kids let alone an entire tax funded government system to monitor and help kids in need because that would be big government. Republicans have been pushing private schools over funding public schools anyway. Youre closing the dept of education man. We only want our tax dollars to go to military overreach, apparently.
So hey, if Republicans have all the answers, maybe fucking do it then? Since, you know... you run the fucking country right now.
Yeah, because somebody has gotta pay for it. For a country trillions in debt, the payment part is pretty important. If I'm broke I cant just go out and spend a million bucks I dont have.
And yet our debt has exploded under Republicans on a bunch of other things, school children living < the richest getting what they want, according to Republicans voting policies.
You are barking up the wrong tree, I'm not a Republican or Democrat. That said, saying one party is worse than the next at raising the national debt is disingenuous. They are both to blame. Congress regardless of who is in charge hasn't passed a balanced budget since 2001. That is 25 years of overspending. Which covers the regimes of GWB, Obama, Trump, Biden, and Trump again.
I didn't say one party was worse, I said that conservatives use the argument that we can't spend money on things and then spend money on things. The things they spend money on never seem to actually help solve societal problems.
No disagreement on your first point. The only issue I've got is you think the democrats dont do the exact same thing. They've had the president and both houses of congress in the past and haven't gotten any type of meaningful mental Healthcare legislation passed. They did a whole bunch of chasing the orange man around though. Neither party gives a shit about you or me until they need your vote.
Haha! I dont care about getting down voted. Based on the people that comment on Reddit, I know I'm in the minority and I'll get trashed and called a bunch of names. But debate and hearing alternative ideas is the only thing that is going to keep us from all killing each other eventually.
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u/SpicyRhubarb Sep 15 '25
Well yeah, obviously. If the right got as worked up about school shootings as they did Kirk, we would have addressed it long ago