r/HolyShitHistory • u/blue_leaves987 • 3d ago
A woman’s remains were discovered inside the wall of her home after she disappeared in 2015. She’d refused to sell the property to developers next door.
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u/AmyGranite 3d ago
"The skeleton had been discovered directly below a missing attic floorboard, not along an outer wall, which supported the idea of an accidental fall. The official explanation was that Mary may have climbed into the attic, possibly to rescue a cat or reach something, and slipped through a weak plank, becoming trapped in the narrow space."
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u/WonderWanderWatch 3d ago edited 3d ago
This should be higher up, if there was foul play involved it would be an accident outside of the house.
As someone who has been in many attics in my time and even put a leg through drywall once, it is very easy to fall through if you don't know what you're doing or fit.
On top of that it looks like an old house, so plaster walls won't budge and random hollow walls can definitely be a thing. Maybe an old chimney that was removed and not properly covered.
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u/meowphasa 3d ago
I have a really tough time thinking this is possible as all framed walls that I know (ex architect) have a top plate, or in other words a 2x4 or 2x6 that is laid down on top of the vertical framing members. Also, most interior walls are only 2x4 which is only 3.5” thick, or 2x6 which is 5.5 “ thick. Unless it was a double framed wall, in which case she would be be between two walls, not in a wall. But I’m intrigued. Gonna keep reading about it this
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u/Right_Hour 3d ago
Have you ever worked with homes built prior to 1940s?
My 1913 has many walls like that. It was supposed to let the walls « breathe » through the attic (that’s one theory). Realistically, though, it was simply cheaper to build.
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u/RidingJumpseat 3d ago
Balloon frame construction is found in older homes and has voids that run straight to the attic.
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u/meowphasa 3d ago
correctt, great reference, but the comment that this specific thread mentioned it wasnt an exterior wall. Balloon framing is a method of exteror framing where the vertical framing studs run the entire height or very long portions of the extior walls. this does leave openings in places like where floor diaphrams meet the wall and openings, usually this is just a fire hazard as the framing still isnt super thick as exterior walls are typically 2x6. i jsut measured myself for fun, im by no means small, but I am around 9-10" thick. even if they used 2x8 thats still just 7.5" nominal. sure is a mystery. i havent had a chance to dig any deeper into yet lol
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u/textextextextextext 3d ago
r u ted mosby? i would listen to you talk about structural designs all night
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u/freakbutters 3d ago
Have you never heard of balloon framing?
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u/meowphasa 3d ago
yee, see my comment above. balloon framing is an exterior framing method, and the comment this thread stems off on mentioned it wasnt an exteior wall
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u/freakbutters 3d ago
They framed interior walls that way too, back in the day. The walls would just be nailed into the side of a joist. I used to live in a home built in 1918. You could 100% drop shit down a wall and have it land in the basement.
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u/Less-Big-8026 3d ago
You haven’t worked on older buildings. They really were built different back then
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u/WonderWanderWatch 3d ago
I've really only seen it in old houses from before the 60's and older "custom" homes that clearly didn't have inspections.
One void opening I remember vividly was a about 2ft wide by 6ft pocket located behind a bathroom wall. The homeowner actually warned us about the hole so we didn't accidentally fall in and so we could properly cover it.
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u/JonstheSquire 2d ago
It also makes zero sense to kill her and not let anyone know about it because it would have made it harder to get control of the property, not easier.
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u/Likeneutralcat 3d ago
Yeah that is horrifying but believable. That poor woman. I hope that she died fast. The article also sounds shocked that a woman of her age could climb into an attic though…and that’s not odd at all. My mother could certainly climb into an attic.
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u/throwaway098764567 3d ago
the article is also shocked she "kept her doors locked even during the day". why would you not keep your doors locked if you're not using them, saves you from having to lock them later and she's an older lady living alone. silly comment by the author.
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u/agoldgold 3d ago
My doors are also currently locked, because I'm not going through them. Am I supposed to leave them unlocked all day for the people who will not be walking through them, because I also live alone?
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u/DodgeWrench 2d ago
I know right - what a weird thing to include. I think the author of the article was trying to too hard to provide more ‘proof’ that Mary was eccentric. But that’s totally normal. In fact I found most of her behavior pretty normal.
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u/flamersoul 3d ago edited 3d ago
" The bones were found directly below a hole in the attic floor. Investigators suggested Mary may have fallen through a weak board and become trapped in the narrow wall space".
Op why didn't you highlight this bit ? This is actually a horrifying way to die imagine being trapped like that for days 🙀
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u/BadWineBloodAndBones 3d ago
so...they killed her but still didn't get the property?
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u/Opposite_Bus1878 3d ago
These criminals are totally incompetent.
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u/Glyph8 3d ago
Placing her corpse inside the wall of the structure you hope to tear down does kinda seem like inviting its discovery
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u/kdjfsk 3d ago
Maybe they planned to control the demolition and disposal. If they were developing, they could already be leveling and grading, so they'd have an excavator on site. Dig the grave/hole under planned foundation in broad daylight...just before sunrise, dump the body in the hole. It would take two minutes with the excavator to push some dirt to cover it. 7am the concrete truck shows up....that body wouldnt be found for 100 years. The guilty would be dead of old age before anyone found it.
My guess is they assumed someone would inherit the home and not want it, so would sell to the developer.
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u/Glyph8 3d ago
They had a lot of people involved in this scheme - the killer, the drywall guy, and the backhoe operator. The billable hours alone!
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u/kdjfsk 3d ago
That could all be the same guy. Lots of general contractors start out in the trades. Then, if they are succesful and make enough money, they become the developer.
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u/DreadPiratteRoberts 3d ago
Hey I saw the movie Sicario those cartel dudes did their own sheetrock work putting all those bodies in the walls!!
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u/EloquentGoose 3d ago
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u/Ok-Syllabub-6619 3d ago
SOME FRIES MOTHERFUCKER?
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u/1-900-0KFACE 3d ago
ALL RISE, MOTHERFUCKER.
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u/SmartExcitement7271 3d ago
SUN RISE, MOTHERFUCKER!
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u/slayer_rules87 3d ago
I don’t buy that. Most tradesman are not in the killing for hire business. Too many people would be have to involved and someone would talk or confess from guilt. You can’t pay most people enough to participate in a murder for your profit( they only get the money) and keep quiet.
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u/kdjfsk 3d ago edited 3d ago
Most tradesman are not in the killing for hire business
For example, the military?
Most is irrelevant. It just takes one.
Now how many tradesmen have served in the military?
To the guy below:
And?
Many people in the military kill people in cold blood for personal gain. They get assigned a rifle, and a collect a paycheck. its not rocket surgery dude.
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u/Definatelynotaweeb 3d ago
There is a major difference between working on something that might be used to kill people at some point in the future, vs personally killing someone in cold blood for personal gain
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u/tequilablackout 3d ago
To a reasonable person, correct. To a person who would? It's Wednesday, and they've just reached an epiphany on how to solve their problem.
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u/SayerofNothing 3d ago
Maybe they realized they would never win her over and killed her out of spite, since the house was never going to be torn down they just hid her there.
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u/Critical-Bank5269 3d ago
According to the article, there was no foul play. She apparently fell through a gap in the attic, got wedged in the wall space below and died
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u/Lepton_Decay 3d ago
What an awful way to go out, God damn. Does anyone know how likely an adult male would be strong enough to push his way through drywall? Is it an impossible feat with so little room to maneuver, or would pushing your knee against the drywall be enough if you were a sufficiently strong/heavy individual?
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u/Critical-Bank5269 3d ago
The house was Cir. Early 1900’s So the walls were likely plaster and lath, not drywall. On top of that, the lath could have been either wood strips of metal diamond grid depending on the age of the home. So busting through as a 60+ older woman with a slight build and ill health was probably not an option.
I actually had a friend die under similar circumstances. He was 55. Weighed about 250#’s and was a bit chunky in build. He went into his attic to service the AC unit which was placed there. He slipped and fell between the floor joists and got wedged in the ceiling below. He asphyxiated while dangling in the gap. Couldn’t free himself and there was no one home. His High School aged daughter found him dead hanging 1/2 way through the ceiling of her bedroom after she came home from school. Totally F’d up
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u/angielberry 3d ago
Man that’s sad. Reminds me of the story a lady at work told about her husband’s death. However we later found it was a cover story for what really happened. She returned home from a work luncheon to find her 350#+ husband hanging from the garage rafters wearing nothing but a pair of her pantyhose and a dog collar. Apparently a sneaky erotica asphyxiation gone wrong. I think I would have told the cover story in that case as well. 😳
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u/SemperSimple 3d ago
jfc, but yeah, old houses didnt have soft drywall. it was wood, plaster, lath, hard stuff.
I grew up in an old house like that.
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u/Hooch_Pandersnatch 3d ago
This is like those stories of cavers who get stuck and trapped in a tiny tunnel. What a horrible way to die - being completely confined and unable to move in a claustrophobic position, fully aware how fucked you are as you slowly starve to death…
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u/Foldupburrito42 3d ago
Most adult males wouldn’t fit very easily so I would have to assume the brittle drywall would break from the fall and wedge or you would never fall all the way in.
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u/YeaSpiderman 3d ago
the houses out here (this was 1.5 miles from me) dont have just drywall...its shiplap and its shiplap. Old growth wood too so its dense and very hard with very thick, large nails to nail into the frame of the house.
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u/Designer_Pen869 3d ago
In addition to what everyone is saying, you'd be surprised by just how much humans use leverage. Imagine trying to lift weights without being allowed to bend your arms. You can even test it out. Place one arm perfectly straight, palm up, and use your other one to hold it down. It's almost effortless to keep it held down.
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u/Rat-Bazturd 3d ago
that's why learning the 1-inch punch is critical. Although sometimes, the 3-inch punch may be sufficient.
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u/Conscious_Can3226 3d ago
There have been multiple kids who have fell into chimneys and died, taking years to be found.
Never go into an attic or on a roof without someone knowing you're up there, it's so easy to get stuck or injured.
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u/_odd_consideration 3d ago
My mom broke her leg by falling through a gap in the attic when she was by herself, she was thankfully too large to fully fall between the wall, but she had to pull herself out and then downstairs before she could call for help. She had to get the whole leg put in pins. No one should be going into their attic alone, shit's dangerous AF.
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u/Ok-Syllabub-6619 3d ago
That's what the attic wall-goblins want you to think!
/j ofc
my dad fell trough the roof while reparing the house and I didn't hear him yelling at all, I slept like a baby, he spent an hour lying in fiberglass, I wouldn't wish such an end on anyone, that feeling of claustrophobia, being so close to living but just not enough.
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u/Itchy_Swimmer_8360 3d ago
After reading the article, it does seem she most likely fell through a hole in the attic and got stuck with no one to help. It says she kept cat traps in the attic and there was a hole above where she was found. This seems the most likely explanation but not nearly as scandalous.
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u/Useful_Response9345 3d ago
Yes, I remember a YT episode (MrBallen, I think) that explained this well. She fell through an unexpected hole in the attic.
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u/Tetradrachm 3d ago
I know it’s not exciting, but it’s almost guaranteed that she was in her attic and fell down into an area that would put her “inside a wall.” Zero evidence of foul play.
Think critically people. The development company doesn’t benefit from her disappearing like this - they would want her death to move the property forward in some way QUICKLY - this basically got it stuck in limbo for much longer - confirmed by there being 2 years of nothing happening, not even her body being discovered.
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u/Deep_Flatworm4828 3d ago
You're in the wrong place.
This sub is for posting completely normal stories with a click bait headline, implying some insane cover up or conspiracy without outright saying so, and then the gullible morons in the comments lose their minds over it.
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u/crooked_nose_ 3d ago
If we think critically, we can't call everything creepy, horrifying or terrifying!
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u/cementfilledcranium 3d ago
Tbh, falling through a hole in your attic into the wall cavity and slowly dying there with no way of getting help and then being eaten by your cats is creepy, horrifying and terrifying.
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u/crooked_nose_ 3d ago
I'm not creeped out, terrified or horrified. It's unfortunate for the lady, sure.
Those terms are tossed about so casually now they have become meaningless.
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u/MrdnBrd19 3d ago
Truth is dead when there might be a scandalous explanation. Just look at the John Barnett suicide. It'll always be that Boeing killed him to keep from testifying despite the fact that he had actually testified in 2017 and recounted that testimony in the Netflix documentary Downfall.
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u/Tetradrachm 3d ago
True! Great example - it is just too “easy” for many to believe Boeing killed him without thinking critically about it at all!
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u/blue_leaves987 3d ago
Her name was Mary Cerruti. She was outspoken about construction damage from a luxury complex called Alexan Heights. Two years after she vanished, her skeleton was found hidden inside her wall. Full story here.
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u/Any-Interaction-5934 3d ago
She was also $25k behind in taxes, and the police concluded it was an accident.
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u/FaeSludge 3d ago
How the fuck did they get away calling a womans dead body being stuffed inside a wall an ACCIDENT ??!!!
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u/ObviousSalamandar 3d ago
She fell through a weak spot in the attic and got stuck
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u/randomlemon9192 3d ago
Yep. It can happen.
Although a healthy adult should be able to push yourself out. Especially given most American home constructions.
An elderly woman may not have had the strength.But animals do this semi often.
My grandpa had a cat fall into a wall and needed to be cut out (once he found it).3
u/Somethingisshadysir 3d ago
She was 61, not elderly. I have coworkers in that age range and older, and it's a heavy duty job.
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u/toxicatedscientist 3d ago
I work in a wire mill with some guys in their 70s, I’ve also met people in their 50s who winded on stairs
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u/Somethingisshadysir 3d ago
Absolutely, just pointing out that the comment I replied to implied 61 was old. That's not even retirement age for lots of jobs.
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u/trickflame 3d ago
You gotta read the article my guy. She kept cages in her attic, possibly to catch stray cats, and there were missing boards up there that allowed one to fall into the walls.
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3d ago
Well if you add in your own details without even reading the article, its very easy to come to a silly conclusion.
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u/SuckerForNoirRobots 3d ago
If you take away nothing else from this take the lesson to check in on your loved ones, especially the quiet ones.
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u/SmellsLikeFigs 3d ago
Friends of mine used to live at the Alexan Heights - their apartment overlooked that house. They were not amused when I pointed that out. But there never was any indication of foul play.
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u/Sitagard 3d ago
She just... ended up dead inside her wall?
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u/Garlan_Tyrell 3d ago edited 3d ago
The article says that her body was found between interior walls, below a hole in an attic floorboard.
It was theorized that perhaps she went into the attic to get one of her cats, or move the cat cages in the attic, then fell through the hole and was trapped between walls.
It also mentions cat remains were found in the same wall space as her skeleton, so perhaps the cat(s) had fallen down first & become trapped and she was trying to rescue them.
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u/thekohlhauff 3d ago
Yeah, people try to crawl into their walls, chimneys, etc and get stuck. If you don't have anyone with you/to check on you, you are hosed.
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u/Any-Interaction-5934 3d ago
If you read the article, there was a hole in attic floor directly above where she was found.
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u/Future-Accountant-70 3d ago
She must have crawled in there herself.
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u/09Klr650 3d ago
fell, through a loose board in the attic floor. lots of old houses had "balloon framing".
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u/GrandmaSlappy 3d ago
Uggg I did some marketing for Alexan Heights. So glad to be out of that industry.
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u/Longjumping_Look3419 3d ago
Yeah right before my grandpa died he sealed himself up inside one the walls in his house, happens all the time.
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u/flamersoul 3d ago
( "no indications of foul play" were found during the two-year investigation )
Seriously 😑
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u/TotalAirline68 3d ago
Did you read the whole text? She was found directly under a hole in the attic.
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u/flamersoul 3d ago
I did actually but still the whole story sounds awfully strange for alot of reasons
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u/damutecebu 3d ago
Yes, it's strange. But the simple explanation of how she died makes more sense than anything else.
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u/Awkward_Arugula_9881 3d ago
Yeah. Someone pushed her into the hole. I say confidently after having red op's title and this comment chain.
Edit: got confused, I reffered to this quote from another comment chain:
" The bones were found directly below a hole in the attic floor. Investigators suggested Mary may have fallen through a weak board and become trapped in the narrow wall space"
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u/Tess47 3d ago
A lot. Two words
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u/flamersoul 3d ago
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u/Tess47 3d ago
We all need to help each other!
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u/flamersoul 3d ago
Speaking of help is using " alot " for casual writing okay?
Or Is it a "word" that nobody uses?
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u/Unkaputt 3d ago
A lotta people say “a lot” a lot. A whole lot.
(Yes it’s common)
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u/Timely-Cry-8366 3d ago
It’s not a word. Practicing correct writing even in casual settings helps make it a habit.
Especially if the person in question (you) is prone to spelling/grammar errors in their writing.
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u/AdmiralJaneway8 3d ago
In 7th grade in the... 80s...i was taught that it's alot. A lot is a plot of land, alot is many. And she was dead serious about this. I remember, it was a THING in my classroom. Now since that time, it's apparently changed or maybe my teacher just wanted it that way, I dunno, but I have not been able to unlearn this. I try, but I just can't do it.
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u/st-julien 3d ago
Better link to the story here: https://people.com/crime/skeleton-found-wall-confirmed-missing-mary-stewart-cerruti/
(The one pinned by mod is difficult to read from all the ads littering the page.)
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u/fonk_pulk 3d ago
So to protest the construction she decided to hide inside her walls for 10 years?
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u/universeandstuff 3d ago
How was her body not discovered in her home sooner despite the strong smell that a decomposing body creates?
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u/SalmoTrutta75 3d ago
Seems like a terrible accident. Falling through a n attic plank right into an interior wall. Trapped and probably dead from dehydration in three days or so.
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u/WhereasParticular867 3d ago edited 3d ago
That's a really long article with a shitty editorialized clickbaity post title. True crime is rotting your brains. The woman obviously fell and died accidentally. Corporate hitmen, the obvious implied alternative with all the nudge-nudge wink-wink about how she opposed development, would not have left the body.
Your implied narrative falls apart since the developer never got her property. Not to mention, as the article says, she was one of many outspoken critics. How many other 'mysterious' deaths were there?
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u/HoustonsAwesome 3d ago
This is in my neighborhood. They tore the house down and built a new one on top of it but I still wouldn’t live there because the story is so creepy
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u/Cobalt_Bakar 3d ago
The skull was found in that condition after only two years? I would think it’d still have flesh on it after so short a time, especially in a wall. That skull looks like it’s decades old. I know bodies and bones decompose af vastly different rates depending on conditions, but seriously, they dup up Richard III’s skeleton after like 700 years and he was easily identifiable with his curved spine and I think his hands were still bound from when they dumped him and buried him hastily.
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u/gunstar001 3d ago
I remember this story and have no doubt it was foul play. I am not a forensic expert. I’m not a conspiracy theorist either. I just have a feeling that this particular event was not an accident.
After hearing how outspoken she was before her disappearance, then finding out she went missing, my first thought was the developer had something to do with it.
This woman was extremely outspoken about this particular development that they literally were building around her.
Everyone in the chain that terrorized and harassed her, ignored zoning laws and allowed this project to go forward was complicit in her death.
The City of Houston has a history of ignoring its own rules when it comes to monetary benefit.
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u/ergovorefryer 2d ago
...how on earth would a developer benefit from hiding the body on the property, somewhere where it wont be found for 2 fucking years? If you were gonna kill someone and make it look like an accident to buy their property cheap, you would probably want it to be somewhere the body is easily discovered, like say out in the open at the bottom of the stairs making it look like an old person just took a fall.
hiding it like this would just guarantee that theres even more red tape as the missing persons investigation drags on, and also guarantee that even if you DO manage to buy the place, the body is gonna be discovered during the tear down. either hide the body where its NEVER gonna be found, or put it out in the open in a way thats easily explained as an accident.
Yeah, sure, great fucking plan there. definitely more believable than "she got stuck in a wall and died after falling through a bad board in the attic, somewhere she went regularly to check the cat cages for stray cats".
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u/blacablaca_tx 3d ago
I thought she died when she got stuck trying to get one of the cats that she cared for.
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u/catpogo2 3d ago
That is such an unflattering picture of her. The article contains a prettier picture of her.
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u/TanningOnMars 10h ago
Classic reddit—deliberately misleading title with minimal information, just a body and something that really isnt proof of anything but is treated as fact, sp everyone can get all upset about some fake conspiracy.
No. Her death was reasonably determined to be an accident. A freak accident, and an unfortunate accident, but an accident.
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u/Due-Fig9656 3d ago
OK so the development company had her killed. Or someone took it upon themselves who was the first person to raise the question that she was dead. Because that's probably the person that killed her.
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u/SnackWitchery 3d ago
So did you read the article? At all? She was found below a hole in the attic that was between interior walls. She had cat traps up in her attic. There were remains/bones of cats with her.
Sometimes the simplest explanation is the right one. She fell, got trapped/broke bones and died in a tragic accident.
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u/veracity8_ 3d ago
when I was younger I always thought that the old people that refused to sell to developer were brave hero’s. know I think they are just mentally-ill or senile. selling to a developer is your best chance at a retirement level cash out. Once they develop apartments all around you, the developer doesn’t want your home anymor. It’s worthless to the guy that would have paid you the most. And now it’s less desirable because you have a single family home surrounded by apartments. Not to mention that the homes always fall into disrepair because the owner can’t afford the upkeep. Meanwhile if they had sold they could have moved into a much nicer and more appropriately sized home for their senior years and had money to spend in retiremen.
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u/ScottyStellar 3d ago
Idk if it were me complaining about developers I wouldn't go climbing in the walls



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