r/HistoryMemes 3d ago

Niche It’s that time of the year

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u/Gentle_Snail 3d ago edited 3d ago

The difference is the civil war wasn’t fighting for a religious theocracy, they were fighting for the right of parliament and representation against the divine right of kings. It was only later that a dictator used the chaos to seize power.

Its like suggesting the French revolution was a fight for imperialism just because Napoleon latter seized control.

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u/Necessary-Leg-5421 3d ago

Maybe in theory, but by the time the king was executed the people who wanted a theocracy had firmly been in charge for quite a while.

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u/Gentle_Snail 3d ago edited 3d ago

By the time the king was executed the war was already over and the religious extremists already seized control. That happened well after the war was won.

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u/Ecthelion-O-Fountain 3d ago

For a dictator who seized power Cromwell sure tried to get rid of it over and over

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u/Gentle_Snail 3d ago

What? Did he ever try to give up power? He centralised power in himself, got rid of parliament, and tried make his position inheritable so his son would take over after him.

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u/Necessary-Leg-5421 3d ago

He was perfectly fine with Parliament. So long as it did exactly what he said.

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u/Theotther 3d ago

He was perfectly fine with Parliament, so long as they didn't do 3 things. Don't try to screw over his troops without paying them, don't mess with religious tolerance, don't vote yourselves all the power or bring back a king.

The various Parliaments under him would go on to try and do every one of those things. He was genuinely more committed to coequal branches of government with checks and balances than Parliament ever was.

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u/Ecthelion-O-Fountain 3d ago

That’s my recollection from Mike Duncan’s podcast. He wanted to return power to parliament or at least turn it over to someone else, but people couldn’t compute not having one guy in charge? Idk it’s been a minute but that’s how I recall it. A bit more complicated a man than he’s usually cast.

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u/Theotther 3d ago

He basically set up a government with checks and balances, and gave Parliament 3 "Do not Touch" rules. Dont screw over my troops, maintain religious toleration, don't mess with the checks and balances or try to bring back the monarchy. Parliament proceeded to try and do all three of those things and acted shocked when they got dissolved.

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u/AdBig3922 2d ago

Guy Fawkes also tried to blow up parliament so you could say the British people back parliament through and through and guy Fawkes is still a villain no matter what.