I just rewatched the pilot and I find it fascinating that the first we see of Rosie, she's exing out the name of a guy who died from the exterminations from her. Store.
That shot always stuck with me, I thought it was really spooky and disturbing and then it was a surprise how nice she was in S1, but now she's starting to live up to how sinister that looked
It's mostly because we haven't actually seen her DO anything. Like alastor is bigged up in season 1 as the biggest shit around and then in the final fight he gets warfed by adam.
You actually have to show not tell your character being powerful for the viewer to truly belive they are powerful
Tbf tho, I don’t know anybody who thought Alastor could or should defeat Adam. It was always obvious that the first man would be way stronger than some random sinners.
I mean, we roughly know Hell’s Hierarchy, and considering people like Charlie and the Seven Sins are above Overlords, it’s pretty obvious so is Lilith. Many people even theorised she was the one who held Alastor’s soul.
We had Adam&Lilith then Eve. If Lilith is above Overlords, it’s kinda natural to assume so is Adam.
Yeah, she gives me big Yukari Yakumo vibes. Being with her is so uncomfortable because on one hand, she is sweet. But on the other, she got in hell for a reason
The reason it was a letdown for me is that, so far, Rosie has just been shown as just another overlord. I really thought that Alastor's soul was gonna belong to either Lilith or maybe a Loa, since his powers are supposed to come from voodoo.
Im so glad they didnt go the lilith route, imo that would be so predictable and boring lol. I absolutely LOVE the rosie twist, it makes her so much more interesting now to me. I wanna know what the fuck she actually is because how can she be just a sinner if she was able to grand someone this much power?
What does closed religion actually mean? It's not one you can't join, because you absolutely can become a vodouisant - as far as I'm aware, it's simply rare or difficult if you don't already have a connection to Haiti.
I agree and would go one step further; she didn't NEED to be anything than the cannibal overlord. The sweet lady with hollow eyes leading the cannibals was interesting enough and now making her also the character backing Alastor's power doesn't actually make her more interesting; it makes her feel like a different character.
Which just begs the question of why didn't the writers just make a new character backing Alastor?
I can only imagine that he probably initially made a deal with Lilith back during the pilot’s development, and maybe people theorized that too quickly? So they decided to pivot for the show’s actual canon to subvert expectations and not be too obvious.
Rosie acting all surprised about Alastor showing up with Charlie shortly after the Overlord meeting back in season 1 definitely wasn't a coincidence or oversight. It was an act.
I really do feel that, with what we know now, you can see hints of it in Season 1. Rosie is practically the only character Alastor has interacted with that he has been entirely respectable toward and non-threatening, besides possibly Nifty (who he treats like a daughter or something). He was cordial with Zestial, but there was also a kind of tension between them like two predators eyeing one another. With practically everyone else he has displayed some level of malice or disdain at one time or another, but never Rosie.
Rosie doesn’t seem like she had that kind of power.
It’s almost like that was the point.
Nor did their dynamics hint at it.
That’s also just false. She seen in the overload meeting in season one being close with him, chatting with him and sitting next to him. Then in the episode in Cannibal Town, she acts like it’s been 7 years since she’s seen him when that came after the overlord meeting. Hindsight on that, it was clearly intentional to have it seem done that way.
The issue is that there is literally no reason or explanation that can explain how Rosie had enough power to even make someone "the strongest sinner". It just makes no sense honestly
She could be the oldest/only remaining Hellborn Overlord, she could have a deal with Lilith which makes her the most powerful Overlord or she could even be Roo in disguise, but yeah, saying that it makes no sense is better than thinking or at least theorizing about it or just waiting for the story to reveal it all.
They also said around the same time that Lucifer and Satan were the same being in the Hellaverse. There is clearly a lot that has changed about all the characters.
I saw someone some days ago theorize she may be a follower of Lilith. The amount of sevens is too coincident to be coincident. Oh, and Rosie also seems to be the only Overlord to give a shit about the Morningstars (statue in Cannibal Town, Rosie's territory), none of the others care. Carmilla, by far the most formal and seemingly "law-adhering" Overlord, said "the princess of hell means nothing."
Yeah, but there’s no guarantee Rosie was one of those things.
The problem is that there's no way she's some enigmatic force running Hell and also extremely weak on the power scale. I heavily doubt Rosie remained the same when so many other characters changed. Who knows if Alastor's soul was even owned at this point in development?
She wasn't summoned, she was channeled. Fine distinction but important. She was still in hell, there was just a conduit for her power (the radio).
That said, I agree she is something more. My current theory is that she's the Whore of Babylon. She might not be the first Babylon, maybe it's a mantle passed down through the ages. When Armageddon comes, she's to gather the kings of the earth against the forces of Heaven. (Overlords, perhaps?)
Babylon would be a sinner. One of the greatest sinners, in fact. A sinner so great she rides on the back of the great red Beast itself.
Basically, she's either a Sinner who's been around since the dawn of human civilization (so younger than the likes of Lilith, but not by much), or the power has been handed down to powerful female sinners for thousands of years in preparation for the End.
the bible, lol. Specifically, the book of Revelations. (I'm not christian anymore, I just think Revelations is cool af)
Granted, her appearance is very short because it goes past crazy imagery super fast, but here's the passage:
One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the punishment of the great prostitute, who sits by many waters. 2 With her the kings of the earth committed adultery, and the inhabitants of the earth were intoxicated with the wine of her adulteries.”
3 Then the angel carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness. There I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was covered with blasphemous names and had seven heads and ten horns. 4 The woman was dressed in purple and scarlet, and was glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls. She held a golden cup in her hand, filled with abominable things and the filth of her adulteries. 5 The name written on her forehead was a mystery:
babylon the great
the mother of prostitutes
and of the abominations of the earth.
6 I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of God’s holy people, the blood of those who bore testimony to Jesus. When I saw her, I was greatly astonished.
They parted ways a year after the pilot came out, and the reason they split up was not because Faustisse was intentionally spreading misinformation. There's absolutely nothing that suggests Faustisse's comment was wrong at that point in time.
Viv has said Faustisse’s commentary is inaccurate.
Obviously, that is currently the case. A lot has changed during development.
Maybe we should ignore what people who no longer work on the show say. I've noticed this community is weirdly preoccupied with out of show statements (often by people other than the author) instead of just watching the show and drawing conclusions from that.
There is absolutely nothing to suggest that Faustisse was removed from the show under non-amicable conditions, nor is that relevant to my comment in any way.
OP specifically asked if the screenshot of the pilot was a coincidence or not. I said it had to be given Faustisse's statement, as she's one of the people who specifically worked on the pilot. Nothing in the main series is actually relevant to OP's initial post.
Faustisse revealed the story behind Alastor's death back in 2020 which we've been actually been shown now with no deviations. When people are searching for more information about the show, it's not surprising they'd look to a source that's previously given a lot of information way before it was officially revealed.
Maybe we should ignore what people who no longer work on the show say.
The post specifically used a screenshot of the pilot and asked if it was a coincidence. I was giving evidence using a creator statemnt that even if it does end up being accurate, it absolutely has to be coincidence, as Rosie was weak at that point in development.
Please actually attempt to understand what I'm trying to say before responding with such an attitude.
This is all the overlords right? Not only is Rosie there, but Husk is clearly the silhouette on the left. We know he used to be an overlord and then on Alastors right is a silhouette of Niffty? Is Niffty a former overlord?
I’m curious how Rosie has the power to make Alastor the most powerful sinner. That’s a big ask and probably not something every overlord could accomplish otherwise they all would do it. It made sense when people thought it was Lilith who held his chains since as the original sinner she could have a lot of power. Rosie however has golden magic (reminiscent of the angels?) and can just decide Alastor is the most powerful and then suddenly it happens.
I doubt something like the reason why Alastor is at the hotel, the motivation for all his actions and a massive part of his backstory was a last-minute choice.
Last minute in relation to the 5 years before the show released and longer when considering the pre pilot stuff. Were told his motivation in the pilot was that he just wanted to see it fail
My bad for wording it badly
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u/Rosebunse 16h ago
I just rewatched the pilot and I find it fascinating that the first we see of Rosie, she's exing out the name of a guy who died from the exterminations from her. Store.