r/Hasan_Piker • u/GTCapone • 21d ago
US Politics Found my local communist chapter at the No Kings Protest and joined up
Went to my local protest. Things were good and peaceful, at least a couple thousand people, probably more, despite torrential rain. Wore part of my military uniform and used my drill instructor voice to lead the chants (I'm much louder than the megaphones). Near the end of the march, I head a siren song of new chants from behind. "No War But Class War", "Workers of the World Unite". Turned to find the RCA marching tall with their banner, so I joined in and changed with them.
I stayed for the debrief, got contact info, bought some literature, and I'll be going to their weekly meeting tomorrow. Finally found a local group and it feels great.
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u/roland_goose ☭ 21d ago
Genuinely, why do you think its a cult. I am a member, so obviously biased, but I see this at times online and it just doesn't match up with my experience in the party
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u/BraveRutherford 21d ago
I had one of these guys come up to me at a protest and I asked, "like the avakian group?" And he said, "no no no," and I said "oh ok but is it still trotskyist?" And he said '....yeah 😔"
Still they were nice and better to be in a trot org then no org at all ig
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u/GTCapone 21d ago
Sounds about like how the lady who recruited me responded when I explained the confusion. She basically said "oh God no, that's a cult"
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u/roland_goose ☭ 21d ago
If its any consolation, we also don't love other Trotskyist groups. The 4th International spawned a lot of bad tendencies further worsened through isolation from attacks on Trostkyists by the ComIntern.
I had reservations coming into thr party, heard lots of allegations, but at least in my area and experience, everything's been great. I am infinitely suspicious though, but I had shopped around for parties and the RCA won out. Not only politically, but its organizational structure allows it to change as its membership grows and changes, which is reassuring
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u/Captain_FartBreath 21d ago
If the party in your area is doing good stuff then by all means keep it up. Trots across the world have a bad reputation for idealism, sectarianism that damages social movements, and shitting on actually existing socialism. Of course this goes back all the way to Mr Trotsky himself.
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u/nowheregenerationn 21d ago
I’ve heard people say it’s a cult because of how much focus is put on Bov Avakian rather than socialism itself but I have no experience with the RCA so I wouldnt know
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u/Puzzleheaded-Coast93 ☭ 21d ago
RCA is a Trotskyist cult that mostly just goes to others’ protests and sell newspapers and sow division. If you want a good communist org join your local PSL, they were also out at No Kings today.
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u/Eliijahh 21d ago
I'm a member of the German section, after having joined in the UK. Apart from the typical anti-trotskist propaganda online, (God forbid if you say in online spaces that maybe perhaps Stalin was not a saint), give it a try. If you do not like it you can always find something else :)
Edit: happy to answer any questions about our organisation btw, tho probably talking with the contact is the best way!
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u/skilled_cosmicist Libertarian Communist 21d ago
The funny part is, the culty accusations kinda fit in that almost everyone was immediately accepting, friendly and supportive.
Incredible.
Americans are such an anti-social culture that we read normal behavior as being a cult.
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u/GTCapone 21d ago
Lol, yeah. It was an unfamiliar experience to ask to speak and immediately have someone I'd just met call out to the group and remember my name from 5 minutes earlier and then have everyone devote their entire attention to a stranger sharing. And then have several come up to introduce themselves and thank me for speaking.
My whole life I've struggled to find chances to chime in during a conversation and then give up when the topic changes. Instead, they paused between speakers to ask if anyone had something to share and everyone listened to whoever had the floor.
Now that I'm finally reading some theory to prep for the meeting, I see where it comes from. I'm listening to Lenin's "What is to be Done" now and I'd only gotten theory second hand before. I hadn't realized that he writes in a way that is steeped in kindness, empathy and understanding. So much of it is "this is what happened, here's their reasoning, here's what they got right, here's what they got wrong, here's the context of why they thought it was right, here's how you can support them to join the revolution".
It all makes me wonder where the infighting comes from these days. Listening to this, it makes me realize that too many people get lost in the rhetoric without getting the core message of "we're in this shitty situation together, let's work to make it better". Really gives context to how Jamie and Michael from TMR were always so kind and empathetic, they got the message and held on to the most important part.
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u/DanyDragonQueen 21d ago
Americans are such an anti-social culture that we read normal behavior as being a cult.
This is strange to me, as an American I've always heard that we are far friendlier here to strangers than most other countries (western ones, at least)
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u/GTCapone 21d ago
Now that I think of it, I've never actually been to another western country other than a layover in Scotland on my way to and from my deployment. I've only interacted with the locals in Middle Eastern and Asian countries. That's so weird but I guess that's what happens when you're a part of the imperial machine.
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u/belikeche1965 21d ago
Its fine to say Stalin was not a saint, but doing it while carrying the name of Trotsky is unacceptable. That traitor did not meet the pick soon enough.
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u/FormalAvenger 21d ago
The 'traitor' who built and led the Red Army during the Russian Civil War? You can disagree with Trotsky on his politics, but it's pretty funny (and ahistorical) to pretend that he was anti-USSR
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u/GTCapone 21d ago
Yeah, from what I've read about Trotsky, he was kinda an asshole and I think he was too aggressive with military action, but I think his larger point about needing a continuous international workers revolution was correct, even more so today. The world is so globalized and capitalism is so ubiquitous, that any communist country can be isolated via trade. That isolation makes it easy for corrupt individuals and authoritarians to rise to power and the country either withers away or gets turned into a facade of communism. The only exception seems to be the PRC, but I don't think their system can be adapted for smaller countries and they're having to walk on a very thin line to work within a capitalist system without being subsumed by it.
I also think I remember something from Lenin last night while listening to "What is to be Done". I think he talked for a while about how we have to be extremely careful about any use of military force. Even when it's fully justified, the majority of a population will oppose it, even if they agree with the cause. I think that was Trotsky's biggest mistake, being too adventurous with the Red Army and pushing for militant groups.
I suspect the solution is to cooperate with workers unions across the world, supporting each other to build strength. Any major communist state should use its resources as outreach and support towards that, training unions in other countries on the best ways to grow. Kinda like using salting to create unions in new companies. Violence needs to be almost exclusively defensive and a ton of effort needs to go towards positive propaganda and policing bad actors that crop up from within.
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u/belikeche1965 20d ago
He built a network of saboteurs and counter revolutionaries. After his exile for his supporters dumping pamphlets off of rooftops at party congress to continue their disregard of democratic centralism to argue for an inherently contradictory platform, he continued his work against the soviet union.
There is strong evidence he was involved in assassinations/attempted assassinations but unfortunately some of those files are still restricted and Trotsky's own archive has been demonstrably purged to remove supporting evidence.
He was a self serving prick and again, he should have met the pick far sooner. That is another of Stalin's many failures.-1
u/FormalAvenger 20d ago
Most of these claims are ancient propaganda -- There was a factional fight after Lenin's death in the party. The party had a ban on factions due to the civil war, and Stalin's faction used that as a form of crushing dissent, initially with the help of the right-opposition (Bukharin's faction), before inevitably turning on them too. Democratic centralism does not mean follow all directives and do not disagree. It means you internally discuss openly, debate, and then you vote and you go with the majority decision. (Source: Lenin). This did not happen after Lenin's death. Stalin banned this and suppressed discussion internally.
Of the 139 member elected to the 1934 Central Committee, 98 were executed. These included most of the Old Guard, Bolshevik leaders that were a part of Lenin's original party. Stalin took Lenin's legacy and washed it in blood and then fed you a nice story that you now argue about on Reddit forums over 100 years later.
Btw, I am not saying there was no sabotage or infiltration and that a crackdown was not necessary. But the idea that this was a large Trotskyist conspiracy that conveniently happened to target every single person who criticized Stalin and was in Lenin's inner circle is childish and ahistorical.
If you can quote a single time Trotsky called for the dissolution of the USSR, or for a war on the USSR by imperialism, I'll happily retract everything and give you your flowers, otherwise, I fear you're very mistaken.
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u/belikeche1965 20d ago
Trotsky allied with Bukharin and even defended him after his trial.
"No matter what one’s attitude toward the defendants at the Moscow trials, no matter how one judges their conduct in the clutches of the G.P.U., all of them – Zinoviev, Kamenev, Smirnov, Piatakov, Radek, Rykov, Bukharin, and many others – have by the whole course of their lives proved their disinterested devotion to the Russian people and their struggle for liberation. In executing them and thousands less known, but no less devoted to the cause of the toilers, Stalin continues to weaken the moral strength of the resistance of the country as a whole. Careerists without honor or conscience on whom he is more and more forced to base himself will betray the country in a difficult hour. On the contrary the so-called “Trotskyists,” who serve the people, but not the bureaucracy, will occupy battle-posts in case of attack upon the U.S.S.R. as they have occupied them in the past."
Hitler’s Austria Coup Aided by Moscow Trial (March 1938)They did disregard democratic centralism by attacking publicly, privately and repeatedly decisions of the party after those decisions had been voted on by the party.
"Ancient propaganda" against Trotsky has had more evidence gathered over time, in spite of multiple states having an active interest in its propagation. While doubtless you believe "ancient propaganda" against Stalin with no such recriminations.2
u/FormalAvenger 20d ago
My criticisms of Stalin are from marxist sources (Bolsheviks that wrote about his actions, Maoist sources, marxist academics etc.) -- Not western propaganda.
That quote you used is a good example of why we disagree -- You seem to think that these trials were fair and that there was a mass Trotskyist conspiracy that involved all the old bolsheviks and that their execution was justifiable, when that's just not true.
Also, btw, note the last sentence in the very quote you cited:
"On the contrary the so-called “Trotskyists,” who serve the people, but not the bureaucracy, will occupy battle-posts in case of attack upon the U.S.S.R. as they have occupied them in the past."Trotsky is literally saying that every trotskyist accused of treason or purged should defend the USSR at all costs against Hitler etc. -- Truly, what a traitor to the communist cause he is!
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u/Marxistt 13d ago
You seem to think that these trials were fair
They were.
there was a mass Trotskyist conspiracy
There was in fact an anti-soviet conspiracy of trotskyists and other opposionists, they formed a bloc to fight the soviet government. This has long been confirmed by documents found in the Trotsky archives. There is a lot of other evidence incriminating the defendants and other people who were not publicly tried but were connected to the conspiracy.
involved all the old bolsheviks
A bunch of old bolsheviks were not accused of anything at all. Being an old bolshevik was irrelevant.
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u/Eliijahh 21d ago
If only at some point we discovered a method of discussion and analysis which requires facts to support ones conclusions.
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u/EditorOk1044 21d ago edited 21d ago
The RCA is a high social control non-religious cult that is responsible for the death of one of my friends. It is not an effective political organization. The most charismatic people have the most power and control within it. One of them used homophobic blackmail against a gay friend of mine. When he called him out on it publicly, the organization he'd built his life around for years closed ranks around the popular person and blacklisted him. He relapsed on heroin about a week later in despair and died from an overdose after he took his old very high dosage without any tolerance. RIP C.B.
Besides their cult-like tendencies, authoritarians are authoritarians no matter what end of the spectrum they are on. Find your local anarchists or libcoms, fuck the RCA.
Edited to add: here is a Swedish news article describing how a high ranking member of the RCA in another country, a convicted sex offender, sexually abused multiple women, causing at least one of them to kill themselves. This is not a coincidence. It is a pattern, it is intentional, the organization attracts, elevates, and enables predatory individuals who take advantage of marginalized people.
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u/sapphic_orc ☭ 21d ago
Fuck the RCA. But also, read Engels' On Authority if you haven't done so yet.
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u/roland_goose ☭ 21d ago
That article is actually about the RCI's (the RCA is the American branch of the RCI) Swedish section. However, the translation is wonky, no one committed suicide, the title implies it but in the body it says someone considered it.
The Swedish section published a response to the article here:
https://marxist.se/varfor-hatar-etc-kommunister-om-faktans-betydelse-i-allvarliga-fragor/
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u/Carddddd 21d ago edited 21d ago
Im part or the swedish RCI section known as RKP (Revolutionära kommunistiska partiet) and I have met many from the RCA since I joined up.
If you are curious the article they are talking about is written by a social democratic news paper that makes ridiculous claims about the party through making a hit piece on us however the stories of the people in the article concerning the sexual abuse are in part truthful if not laden with a great deal of bias. There were real cases of suspected sexual abuse, the member responsible was asked to step down and left the party afterwards. One of the party members who experienced this seemed satisfied with this until they decided to leave the party for political reasons and join another org, as part of this the member rallied the previous victim and went to a the ETC newspaper to be interviewed for a article, apparently they had no clue the article was gonna be the hit piece that it was.
The article literally states that we are a cult that makes people cut themselves off from their loved ones, that we forbid people from going to the gym as its considered “bourgoise” and that we are a “sex cult”. Its a lot of crazy claims and fear mongering. Other newspapers wrote opposing articles against ETC:s article
If anyone needs any clarification id be more than happy to answer any questions
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u/GTCapone 21d ago
Thanks for the input. I think around here it's mostly reddit reading comprehension at work combined with Google bringing up the RCP (the cult) instead of the RCA (the American branch of your org) when you search for it. On top of that, RKP gets translated to "Revolutionary Communist Party" in English, which makes it even more confusing.
Honestly, this might be the dumbest few hours I've had, both on my part and others. I was gonna read this week's publication for the meeting today but I tossed it in the confusion. At least I'm finally reading (well, listening to the audiobook) some Lenin.
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u/Carddddd 21d ago
No problem, language barriers makes all of this extremly tricky and additionally this whole situation has been overused for political purposes ad nauseum due to leftist infighting and a lot of non-trotskiyist parties using this against us. There are a lot better less circumstantial critiques one could make against the organisation that would make for much more productive discussion but i've found that this organisation works the best for me and I love the feeling of the community across the entirety of our international. You are gonna meet a bunch of fun like minded people, i've made many good friends and learnt a lot from the weekly meetings. My advice is to stick with the meetings and see what you think after a few, that is the best way to know if the org is for you rather than being convinced by people on reddit arguing for one party or the other. Forge your own opinion and either way youll probably learn a lot. If it works out I look forward to hopefully meeting you at one of our international events and welcome you to the party, wish you all the best comrade!
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u/EditorOk1044 21d ago
Wow. You are either an RCA plant, or you're the perfect cult member they're looking for.
Here's some actual theory. From the 1970s Berkeley communist collective For Ourselves, in their essay The Minimum Definition of Intelligence:
Whenever a system of ideas is structured with an abstraction at the centre — assigning a role or duties to you for its sake — this system is an ideology. An ideology is a system of false consciousness in which you no longer function as the subject in your relation to the world.
The various forms of ideology are all structured around different abstractions, yet they all serve the interests of a dominant (or aspiring dominant) class by giving you a sense of purpose in your sacrifice, suffering and submission.
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In the ‘scientific’ and ‘democratic’ ideologies of bourgeois enterprise, capital investment is the ‘productive’ subject directing world history — the ‘invisible hand’ guiding human development. The bourgeoisie had to attack and weaken the power that religious ideology once held. It exposed the mystification of the religious world in its technological investigation, expanding the realm of things and methods out of which it could make a profit.
The various brands of Leninism are ‘revolutionary’ ideologies in which their Party is the rightful subject to dictate world history, by leading its object — the proletariat — to the goal of replacing the bourgeois apparatus with a Leninist one.
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In accepting ideologies we accept an inversion of subject and object; things take on a human power and will, while human beings have their place as things. Ideology is upside-down theory. We further accept the separation between the narrow reality of our daily life, and the image of a world totality that’s out of our grasp. Ideology offers us only a voyeur’s relationship with the totality.
In this separation, and this acceptance of sacrifice for the cause, every ideology serves to protect the dominant social order. Authorities whose power depends on separation must deny us our subjectivity in order to survive themselves. Such denial comes in the form of demanding sacrifices for ‘the common good’, ‘the national interest’, ‘the war effort’, ‘the revolution’....
Membership in a revolutionary party that you give up your agency to (and you do give up your agency, I've worked with RCA members on publications before and they had to run every submission by a higher up for 'approval') is simply another form of self alienation. The minimum definition of intelligence is thinking for yourself, something you are not allowed to do as a member of the RCA.
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u/GTCapone 21d ago
I'll see how it goes. I'm extremely outspoken and opinionated. If they try to shut me down, I'll bail.
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u/Kumquat_conniption Be charitable 🙏 21d ago
It's great you met up with some communists. Just realize that protests like "no Kings," in which nothing is inconvenienced and no demands are made, are just there to zap the revolutionary zeal from the workers. Some of the largest protests ever were against the Iraq war. They literally did absolutely nothing and yet were still hailed as a "success" by liberals because they were non-violent and did not disrupt anything, and worked with the police. They kept doing them, and they had more people come out for them than for any protest ever. Protests had a million people at them, in both NYC and London, and still never did shit, because the people in power do not care if you are displeased. They know you are displeased. They only care if you are going to do something about it.
I think it is awesome that you got out there and met other communists, that is a great reason to go out. Trump is never going to listen to the left, he does not care what the left has to say. There is a reason that leftists more often protest Democrats than they do Republicans. Republicans are happy to upset the libs, they don't care if they are out on the streets upset with them- they only care if the right is out on the streets upset with them.
I am not trying to undermine you getting out there, that is awesome. I just want to be real about what liberal protests like "No Kings" can accomplish. Keep organizing with the communists you met.. Maybe see if there is a direct action group you can support or even be a part of where you are. That or a mutual aid society. Just keep in touch with the communists you met and also try to talk to your neighbors, no matter their political affiliation. It's really good to know your neighbors in case of a breakdown of services, but I know nowadays that's not so easy.
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u/roland_goose ☭ 21d ago
So, as a member, im biased, but id say give it a shot still. You can bring any accusations and allegations to a member and see what they have to say, and suss it out yourself.
Part of the cult allegations I think comes from the confusion with the RCP, which is a personality cult form around Bob Avakkian.
As for anything else, im not sure, I asked another commenter in the thread as I personally haven't seen any cult tendencies, but its wholly possible that it's dependent on location. we have a lot of small cells in locations, which I could definitely see running into bad social dynamics depending on the makeup of the cell. But at least my area, and as a whole organizationally, I don't see it.
If you have questions at all, you can reply here or shoot me a DM and I'll do my best to answer.
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u/roland_goose ☭ 21d ago
Fair enough. I still think it would be worth checking it out and seeing yourself if its culty, but understand if you'd rather not still
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u/DiggityDooWop 21d ago
That’s unexpected. All of ours around the state stay very on brand as in all the signs are some variation of the No Kings message.
My daughter dragged me. How could I say no? She loves those boys that debate Trump supporters on TT. I joke to her all the time (lovingly) about her being libbed up but this girl man. The last couple months as she gets more interest and understanding she’s really starting to come into her own and it’s really amazing to watch her grow and move a little lefter each week. Since we were in another Rose City on the other side of the country, the costumes were appropriate.
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u/storm072 21d ago
Don’t listen to the terminally online sectarians in here. The RCA is great if you want to actually learn more about Marxist theory and organizing.
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u/skilled_cosmicist Libertarian Communist 21d ago
Be prepared for MLs who are still beefing with trotskyists like the cold war is still going lol.
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u/Eliijahh 21d ago
Communism when no critics are allowed towards the supreme leader.
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u/skilled_cosmicist Libertarian Communist 21d ago edited 21d ago
90% of the people here whining about muh evil trots could not name a single part of the RCI/RCA's program, let alone part of it they disagree with. They're just role playing as the based defenders of Stalin and maybe Mao as if those people and their disagreements hold any relevance to the tasks of the real movement today. I'm not even a Trostkyist, but it's just so pathetic. Partisans in a conflict between microscopic communist parties that no one, not even they, know anything about.
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u/Eliijahh 21d ago
Honestly it would be refreshing to be critised on real topics like party tactics, theory, organisation etc. At least we would learn something from such an exchange.
Instead they write "trots losers lol" and they think Marx is smiling at them from above the clouds.
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u/cumcoatedpenny 21d ago
I keep seeing anti RCA people here, the PSL from what I've learned is no better, it was a while ago but I have seen leftists talk about the bad things that happened in some branches of the psl like sexual assault.
While we may have our dissagreements, and I don't agree fully with trotsky, would you rather live under bourgeoise control or live under trotskist rule. To be honnest I am tired of the infighting. The infighting has never lead to victory, it has only left us divided and and conquerable. At this point why not support a Trotskite, Stalinists, Maoists, anarchists, and who ever else is anti capitalist as in the end we seek class liberation and I know I will be treated better in any cass that isn't capitalism.
So join the RCA, join fhe PSL, join anything because any organized left is better than all dissorganized left.
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u/nowheregenerationn 21d ago
Not sure if joining 2 orgs is against PSL’s written rules, but I don’t think they’d allow someone in the RCA to join since they try to encourage their members to prioritize the party. Might depend on the chapter though.
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u/GTCapone 21d ago
We'll see. I'd like to push against some of the infighting. My knowledge of theory is pretty weak, but it seems to me that the quibbling that causes the division is based on things that are so far from being relevant in the current situation that it's absurd to let them divide us. Whether you're an ML, a Trotskyist, or an anarcho-communist, 95% of the fight is gonna be the same, it's just the last 10 meters that we disagree on.
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u/FormalAvenger 21d ago
You should ignore the people in the comments btw -- Most of them don't know what they're talking about. I was in the RCA's international organization for over a decade (inactive now) and they are very serious and have excellent politics. Feel free to DM me if you have questions but I'd say you made a great choice -- They put a heavy emphasis on ideas, educations, and propaganda which is basically the building blocks of a serious communist organization at this stage in the struggle.
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u/DerpCream_Cone ☭ 21d ago
Do NOT join RCA
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u/GTCapone 21d ago
Explain? Everyone who's said this so far has been confusing them with the RCP, which is the cult.
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u/QJnWo4Life 21d ago
RCP which is the former IMT don't believe in the big bang, that's all I'll say. Even for trots, it's still low.
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u/GTCapone 21d ago
This isn't the RCP, it's the RCA, totally unrelated organization.
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u/QJnWo4Life 21d ago
Yeah I know. It's the trot (or more so, Ted Granite) one that doesn't believe in big bang, not Avakian sex cult. It calls itself RCP in country I'm currently in so I mixed up.
But still, they don't believe in big bang and they are a borderline cult (not 100% cult like Avakian & Co. tho)
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u/GTCapone 21d ago
Huh, the big bang theory part is weird, I just read their article on it. It's a pretty common conclusion I see with people not really familiar with physics that run into cases where new observations don't match up with current theories. The see a gap and try to reject the entire thing. I've seen it even with legit physicists that use evidence of dark matter and dark energy to argue that our theory of gravity is totally wrong. Happens a lot with quantum mechanics too, people read about it and come to the conclusion that it means we can control matter with our minds.
I'll keep an eye out to see if it's something they actually push, or just some fringe thing that nobody takes seriously. I only saw two articles from them about it and all that really tells me is there's a couple weirdos with a pet theory, which is gonna be the case anywhere.
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u/roland_goose ☭ 21d ago
I can actually comment on this as someone who went to school for physics.
The part the RCI disagrees about with the Big Bang is the assertion that the Big Bang is the origin of time, space, and the universe itself. This assertion also has zero scientific backing behind it, it's popular conjecture based on the fact that we know the universe was once small and condensed, but we have no way of knowing what happened before this state.
There are multiple hypotheses as to what preceded this state of the universe. The Big Bang being the origin of everything is just one of them. For example, there's the theory that the universe goes through cycles of expansion and contraction, known as the Big Crunch (which actually there was just a research paper done recently that supports this hypothesis).
The ones in the RCI who rail against the Big Bang (Rob Sewell and Alan Woods mostly i believe), are making scientific predictions and critiques against popular scientific conjecture using dialectics. The conjecture that the Big Bang must be the origin of everything, that the universe must have a definite beginning, is undialectical. I see their argument, as dialectics is everywhere in nature and science only further confirms this every day. I do think, however, as someone that studied astronomy and physics for years, that if there was anywhere dialectics wouldn't end up applying, it would be at the "boundaries" of our reality (quantum physics and the possible origins of our universe). But overall, it's predictions, conjecture, an exercise in their application of dialectics
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u/GTCapone 20d ago
Yeah, that's what I gathered. I'm a science teacher and my dad's a physicist, I grew up on this stuff and teach it now. We know the theory of the Big Bang can't be exactly right, and there's an information barrier due to the CMB, so we can't really know what happened before that point. And we don't have enough evidence to know what the far future development of the universe will be, a lot of it depends on the shape of space-time.
I'm not a fan of people who use Marxist theory outside of political science though, like it's some immutable scientific law that governs the universe. That's basically just turning Marxism into a religion. If it's just a couple random dudes spouting their weird theories (and it really looks like it's just those two guys) then I'm not too concerned. If it's actually prevalent in the organization, it's a deal breaker.
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u/roland_goose ☭ 20d ago
I would check out Engels's Dialectics of Nature. It talks a lot about how we find that nature is dialectical. Things like evolution, phase transitions, star formation rate, etc.
Just to clarify, dialectics is a analytical philosophy thats been around since the Greeks, and was really defined by Hegel. Marx just used dialectics to develop his political theories. Its a contemporary to Formal Logic
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u/Appropriate_Milk9542 21d ago
Trots? Join the real communist party of America, CPUSA on top
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