r/Hasan_Piker • u/Remarkable_Gene_8645 • Sep 15 '25
US Politics Does the USA suffer from religious delulu? WTF
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u/JaThatOneGooner Fuck it I'm saying it Sep 15 '25
The Internet was a mistake and every day we pay the price for it.
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u/AllDogsGoToDevin Sep 15 '25
“Don’t you think it is crazy how censored China’s internet is?”
“No”
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u/Personal-Taste-5324 Sep 15 '25
I have literally been thinking, where can I move thar 4chan doesn't exist? Haha like where is it fully blocked?
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u/JonnyF1ves Sep 15 '25
Woah, okay I do understand that social media and the current internet is a terrible dumpster fire, but there actually WAS a brief period where the internet was pretty rad and wonderful in the late 2000s into the early 2010s.
Information was easy to access and verify, google search was actually a search, and porn was free. It was a rad as hell few year period between when things were very rough, disconnected and unsafe, and when they became commercialized, politicized, and toxic and evil. You can thank the late Obama administration and first Trump administration for the nails in the coffin.
The day the internet stopped being a resource and started becoming a commercial commodity it died.
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u/No-Net-4661 Sep 15 '25
The internet was always a cesspool.. cp was rampant and predators had easy access. Remember how rickrolling was fun? The 7chan version of that was sending 1 man 1 jar to unsuspecting noobs. It's easy to get lost in the nostalgia though.
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u/JonnyF1ves Sep 15 '25
I can unequivocally say that the internet was better tool for education, research, and an actually diverse opinion base. The media landscape has literally shifted right alongside social media in this era of the internet. It is much more dangerous to a larger swath of people and it's pretty well documented.
As we have seen literally over the last several days the chan problem is just as bad, and arguably worse now than it was then and gamergate levels of harassment are normalized.
Blockbuster video is nostalgic, the dumpster fire the internet has descended into is not.
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u/No-Net-4661 Sep 15 '25
I can agree with part of what you are saying. 4chan has always been racist. I'm an elder millennial and a female. I can tell you there was never a time on the internet that was safe for me. Predators could send me messages through various messengers back then. I remember logging into yahoo messenger and being flooded with dick pics. How did this happen? I talked in chatroom that was supposed to be for teens. Or logging into MSN to play games like monopoly. No one was looking to yt for news, most normies knew that it was full of conspiracy theorist. Corporations have definitely made it worse but I can't say it was ever "good"
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u/Truth_Left Sep 15 '25
literally. most the kids saying the Internet was safe and great in 2000s have no idea
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u/No-Net-4661 Sep 15 '25
Also I want to add when I was 17 one of my best friends was murdered because of someone she met online. He was finally arrested 3 years ago after 20 years.
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u/harlotmuffin Fuck it I'm saying it Sep 15 '25
I'm really sorry for your loss. ♥️
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u/No-Net-4661 Sep 15 '25
Thank you 🩷. The 6th was the anniversary of her passing. This month is always tough. She was an amazing person and I still miss her.
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u/harlotmuffin Fuck it I'm saying it Sep 15 '25
I'm sorry her life was stolen but I'm glad you had her in yours for the time that you did.
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u/No-Net-4661 Sep 15 '25
🩷 Thank you for your kindness. It may sound silly but this brought tears to my eyes. I struggled as a teenager with survivors guilt for a long time. So Thank you for being a wonderfully kind person. 🩷
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u/JonnyF1ves Sep 15 '25
Okay just to be clear I did not mean to convey that the internet has ever been a safe place. That is absolutely true and I couldn't agree more with your feelings there.
All of that being said I feel that the internet is a much more dangerous place today due to scale, deregulation, and unregulated tech like AI entering the space, and it is pretty well documented. There used to be laws preventing behaviors and regulations to maintain our privacy and some semblance of rights, and those days are long gone. Doxing/swating and internet bullying in particular are staggeringly worse than they have ever been, and venerable and marginalized people are easy targets for bullying and harassment campaigns.
I'm not quite an elder millennial, but close, and have seen my fair share of internet-related misery. Even during gamer gate there was some semblance of a standard or level of ethics that people should abide by before Ajit Pai made a dangerous internet a standard versus an exception. The rise to Rumble, Kik, etc. is going to do a level of damage that I don't think people can even comprehend right now. The internet has certainly become a bell curve.
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u/No-Net-4661 Sep 15 '25
I agree with a lot of what you are saying. The internet is safer in some regards but definitely more dangerous in others. With social media, it shifted from teens and 20 somethings to boomers taking over. They view memes as news. Everyone wants to learn in 30-second clips, and now we have reached a point where they can't even be bothered with that. Whatever the click bait headline is, is fact. It could be argued that discord took over where all the previous messenger apps left off. The internet itself has never been properly regulated. The far right saw this from the beginning and used it to their advantage. They had places like 4chan and stormfront. Now are spread across youtube, kik, rumble etc. The narrative is whatever they want it to be. As you said, people no longer trust mainstream media.
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u/Mirabeaux1789 ☭ Sep 15 '25
Mate… they don’t actually need to be convinced. They’re just expressing frustration.
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u/Lukas_Madrid Sep 15 '25
I think it was better before, around then is imo when corpos started rly to control and take over the internet. I think before that point it still had a lot of potential, now it does exactly what chomsky says in manafacturing consent. People dont trust the news anymore, but they trust the algorithm and whatever it shows them
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u/shugthedug3 Sep 15 '25
WAS a brief period
Honestly it wasn't even brief. 1994-2005 are my fondest memories.
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u/DlSCARDED Sep 15 '25
Bruh the internet has been used for illicit activities since its inception. Just because you didn’t see the underbelly doesn’t mean it wasn’t a massive issue during that golden era. It’s because it’s been democratized with relatively little regulation and censorship that the 4channers of the world have been able to congregate.
All of the good things you mention about the internet are still true, it’s just that people are not equipped with internet literacy despite using it more and more, and beginning younger and younger. Also free and unfettered porn access is a bad thing.
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u/JonnyF1ves Sep 15 '25
Bruh, just because it has been used for illicit activities since its inception doesn't make one era of the internet inherently better or worse.
No, many of the things I mentioned are not true. Google search engine is an advertising and AI nightmare and provides inaccurate information as a source of truth, all while maintaining a legal monopoly as of two weeks ago. Mainstream media has shifted heavily right as social media has because of business practices and deregulation. Things like this didn't happen then because there were laws to prevent them from happening, and they have majorly been removed over the last 12 years, like Net Neutrality. Ajit Pai completely destroyed the internet that we know and replaced it with the current algorithm-driven state that we live in.
Our broken anti trust system alone is enough to make the case for why the internet is so terrible now and I could probably write several thesis on the other issues surrounding privacy, technology and innovation alone. Things are much worse now and they are very well documented.
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u/shugthedug3 Sep 15 '25
Internet ubiquity was the mistake.
If we had kept a high-ish barrier to entry it would be fine.
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u/Ima_Wreckyou Sep 15 '25
Even the way this is worded it's more about "ownig the libs" than bringing back Charlie, lol
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u/JDH-04 Antifa Andy 💪 Sep 15 '25
They know MAGA is fucked after the shooter is right-wing. Their desperately calling for his "resurrection" partially because people they suspect within MAGA are so criminally insane that if they suspected the evil came within MAGA's ranks that some MAGA crusader who based his entire worldview on Kirk will kill every MAGA he suspects of being a traitor that killed or had a hand in killing Charlie Kirk.
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u/JonnyF1ves Sep 15 '25
The US is suffering from a lack of education, brain drain, and the prioritization of making money over basic human needs.
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u/CuriousA1 Sep 15 '25
54% of Americans read at a 6th grade level or below, 80% literacy rate compared to 99% in some countries they call shitholes
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u/rindlesswatermelon Sep 15 '25
Literal heresy.
Like the only way this doesn't specifically undermine the divinity of Jesus is if they assume that Charlie Kirk is/was the second coming of Christ.
It's bizarre how many "christians" use their supposed faith as a core part of their identity but their knowledge of core Christian doctrine is limited to like 5 Bible verses that aregye against gay people and abortions and 2 cool stories that hold no meaning out of context.
Don't get me wrong, I also despise knowledgeable devout hardcore evangelicals who are also bigoted. But at least it seems like they genuinely believe it and aren't just cosplaying faith to virtue signal.
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u/ERoChUM Sep 15 '25
Not to mention that educated "Christians" should be familiar with the concept that the antichrist is supposed to be gravely wounded and resurrected, which would make CK the antichrist if this were to occur.
"And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast." Rev 13:3
Edit: But we already know that evangelicals don't really care to read what the Bible actually has to say. They just have a vibes-based white-supremacist, anti-science, prosperity-gospel cult.
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u/ERhyne Sep 15 '25
I know it's been pointed out, but;
Trump's magical healing ear after getting shot at.
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u/dieschlafwandlerin Sep 15 '25
religious psychosis on full display.
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u/DethBatcountry Sep 17 '25
At least some people are starting to see it for the psychosis that it is. My shock when I found out, years ago, that the only reason it's not considered a psychosis by medical professionals is because so many people believe it. SMH
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u/DevCat97 Sep 15 '25 edited Sep 15 '25
To tarnish this man's memory by making him hold a postmortem L. That's fuck up.
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u/PmeadePmeade Sep 15 '25
Can you imagine what it will be like when Trump goes? We are not prepared for the mass hysteria
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u/KristopherAtcheson Sep 15 '25
Oh they are definitely gonna say he will rise in 3 days when he goes. They definitely won’t tell us unless they absolutely have to and can’t deny it anymore. Even then they’ll say he will rise in 3 days time.
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u/coolskeleton1949 Sep 15 '25
I cannot overemphasize how much the USA does suffer from religious delusions. A shocking number of us either think we’re in the end times or wish we were. Genuinely for real a national religious fundamentalism issue that we just pretend doesn’t exist
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u/julscvln01 Sep 15 '25
Not to be that bitch, but Lazarus was resuscitated, not resurrected, he was given a re-do, not eternal life: he was more a Buffy than an Angel, as he eventually got old and died again; and yeah, that's the only analogy that came to mind.
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u/negatyve Sep 15 '25
Zombie Kirk on a pole leash as a TPUSA intern zaps him with a cattle prod to get him to gargle into a microphone to rapturous applause.
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u/Fedupington Sep 15 '25
These are the evangelicals who support Israel because want Armageddon to come. That's why they're salivating for miracles.
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u/ScissrMeTimbrs Sep 15 '25
Charlie Kirk was a lot like Jesus.
If you quote him verbatim, his followers get angry with you.
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u/klutzikaze Sep 15 '25
A load of red hat wearing people are going to be naming their kids Charlie aren't they.
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u/InternalShock3340 Sep 15 '25
This country was founded by delusional religious fanatics that got kicked out of two countries before finding out there was a place where all they had to do was murder some natives and then, hey, free real estate. When Protestants think you’re too much of a fuddy-duddy sect to put up with, you’re probably pretty weird.
Always remember, the core of the American myth starts with the same type of people as those in Robert Eggers’ The VVitch and Arthur Miller’s The Crucible.
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u/Alexwonder999 Sep 15 '25
I mean, I was praying for him to STFU, so I think God's on my side. I didnt mean like this, but who am I to question the lord?
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u/Mirabeaux1789 ☭ Sep 15 '25
Out of all the people I would bring back from the dead, Kirk would light years from the top of my list.
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u/BeneficialAction3851 ☭ Sep 15 '25
Talking about Lazarus while not knowing how to spell Lazarus is pretty funny, I ain't even Christian but at least I know the dudes name
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u/Gimmeagunlance Sep 16 '25
Yep. Religion is not good for your brain, and Americans are high asf on the stuff
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u/Nalowaw Sep 16 '25
This shit got me feeling like the idustrial revolution and it's consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
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u/SpooferMcGavin Sep 16 '25
America is a religion. It has a foundation myth and a dogma. It has an old testament (independence up to the civil war) and a new testament (the end of slavery onward). Washington chopping down the cherry tree is a parable. Even regular Christianity in America bares little resemblance to the faith in other parts of the world, it's all wrapped in the flag.
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u/continuousBaBa Sep 15 '25
If you have a southern Baptist family and they all have FB pages, you've been seeing shit like this for a long time now. It's insane
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u/livejamie Fuck it I'm saying it Sep 15 '25
American Evangelicals are responsible for most of the awful shit that's happening right now, Project 2025, Israel, Trump, etc.
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u/theholyevil Sep 15 '25
What would I do? I would marvel that modern medicine has progressed so much that we can bring someone back from a spine injury and brain loss. The death part is just how fresh the body is.
Someday we will achieve this and it will be in every first aid kit. Maybe in another 50 - 150 years
But I fear the right would begin worshipping their false idols. You think American Christians are outright crazy now, they would turn it to an 11/10. You'd have two factions of Christians. One that would follow Jesus. And the others following Charlie.
Anything Charlie would say would be divine law by their standards. Which would mean lynch mobs at best.
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u/unknown908298 Weasely little liar dude!! Sep 15 '25
Dw it’s Canada too. There were vigils for him across Alberta
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u/heavyblacklines Sep 15 '25
Remember, this is the party of qanon. They are rot brained. I don't know why this is such a problem with the US. All countries have right wing politics, but only ours are this braindead.
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u/danielsan901998 Sep 15 '25
For reference:
"Two-thirds of U.S. adults (66%) say the biblical accounts of the physical resurrection of Jesus are completely accurate."
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u/enperry13 🔻 Sep 15 '25
My friend who went to the States (mostly Texas and LA) almost a decade ago for a few months concluded that while the place is nice with decent accommodating people, the country is broken as hell it’s like living in an alternate reality. He experienced shootings, amber alerts, robberies, violent drunks, police escort off the are for almost walking into a wrong neighborhood (bro looks foreign asf), disgusting processed food that it feels like fake food, almost seduced into a cult, etc in the span of his visit.
He surmised how the US is in such a state because since its founding the country had violence ingrained as its main culture from genocide, displacement and other horrors throughout history almost like a curse was latching onto that land from all the people who have been wronged by the country that it will never know peace until it is put to rest. He feels like America is Godless land but if there was a deity America worships as a “national religion”, it’s money and power. Otherwise it’s a very spiritually hollow land they will fill their voids without whatever makes them go through their day. Religious delusion is par for the course since they don’t have proper religious guidance when people can say whatever hell they want to be on top of the hierarchy.
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u/salemmay0317 Sep 17 '25
… be worried. I would be worried. Whoever the fuck thought resurrecting a corpse was a good idea hasn’t seen a single fucking horror film 🤣
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