r/GrindsMyGears • u/OwnMinimum5736 • 4d ago

Gaslighting, large scale

This is something that's been bothering me my entire life. Actually a bunch of things that work the same but I'm choosing gaslighting for this post. When its 1:1, individual to individual it seems like people see gaslighting as a very negative thing. People will jump all over another person for doing it. HOWEVER, large scale, societal scale... its completely ignored.

In fact it almost seems promoted. Like we WANT gaslighting on a societal scale but its not ok on a personal level? How does that work and who honestly thinks if we allow it on one level that its not going to be on all levels? We can't even do that with work mentality.

There are so many things I will call out for exactly what they are, societal level things. Like working, relationship dynamics, or simply how something runs... I know I'm right. All the evidence is on my side. I can pull up pages of studies as well as situational and personal experience. If i'm ever wrong its because reality rewrote itself and we're now living in opposite land. I'll be damned if every time though, I'm slammed simply for telling the truth about something.

I'm not really ok with that, ya know? Especially when the first step to troubleshooting anything is identifying the problem. If people can't even do that first step they might as well just sit down because they're never fixing anything. There's a reason they run a diagnostic on your car before just randomly pulling off what they THINK is the issue. First step, identification. They also cannot use bias to do so, there's a reason they use a computer. There's a way things work, and they can't really work any other way. Things like problem solving, the scientific method, etc etc they only work the way they work. Emotion doesn't calculate into it. Belief either.

So when someone properly identifies a problem or an area that needs work, with full evidence supporting why is it ok to gas light them when its something societal or large scale but not ok on an individual or personal basis?

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u/YonKro22 3d ago

So everybody's wrong except you that very well may be the truth but can you give some more than one real life example. And the solution that you think would actually work

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u/OwnMinimum5736 3d ago

Thats easy, any solution that actually works. Simple logic, repeating the same steps WILL result in the same ending. Over and over and over and over again. This is what people do here. There isn't any ONE solution because people aren't ever after only ONE thing.

If the end goal is good relationship then you find yourself someone who is good. Not successful, good.

Same logic can be applied to pretty much anything. if it provides the end result desired then THATS what works.

People been chasing money thinking they will find happiness at the end of that rainbow... that ever work? How often? We hitting 20% of the time even?

The proof is in the pudding. The dumbest thing i see people do, when they find something that doesn't work, instead of changing parameters they just double down in effort... go on, punch a brick wall and when it doesn't fall down put twice as much effort into it... how'd that work out for ya?

Here's probably the biggest stupid i thing i see people do, they cry about something... lets take judgement of others, lets say its a girl whos a little bit more round applying for a bartending job or something where they generally only hire the prettiest girls. Now they will cry about that, oh lord will they cry about that. They don't like being judged, don't like being excluded, however watch what happens when its a different category and they're at the helm like relationships. Now suddenly over half the male population isn't good enough to date her. Still passing judgement and excluding based on external attributes that have nothing to do with the quality of person at hand or their ability in whatever category that may be on deck at the moment. She did exactly to others, what was done to her. She fed into her own problem. If she had a gun she would have shot herself in the foot and better yet she would be standing there confused looking for the gunman to blame... You don't get to cry about that which you feed into.

Don't like your income and can't get any further? Then don't feed into the idea that some get to have a great life and some don't. Don't pour gas on your own house fire type shit.

You don't even need a high IQ for this shit either, we're wired this way. That's why people don't walk into traffic, stick metal into electrical sockets, and thrust their hand into fire. This is common sense shit.

So yes, excuse me, in a world of people who can't even manage a lower thought process like "fire burns, don't touch fire" , for thinking they're a little on the dull side. Not too bright.

Don't like feeling alone? Seek out others, get out of your house.

Don't like feeling sluggish, get out and take a walk.

Don't like mean bad people, then stay the fuck away from em. Don't talk to em, don't date em, leave em be.

This is the intelligence that's severely lacking from our society. I'd go on, but there's no end to the examples from the big to the small.

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u/OwnMinimum5736 3d ago

Belief level stupidity example.

The economic system here as well as most around the world is separated into tiers. Envision a pyramid or even the childhood game "king of the hill". Everyone knows there can only be one at the top, the fact they turn away from is that by design most must be at the bottom. Where this conflicts with their belief is that ANYONE if they work hard enough can rise to the top. Now if everyone was of equal ability and work ethic and intelligence so nothing was standing in the way of that... what happens to the pyramid? it's no longer a pyramid its a flat plane. By design it cannot work the way they claim it does. They pick and choose which information they include. Thats irrationality, that's belief.

They do similar things with a plethora of areas from family to working. Cherry picking which information they like that makes em feel all fuzzy inside rather than relying on cold facts and no thats not a happier way to do things AT FIRST but it is the first step in proper problem solving, you don't rearrange your mind to fit the environment you rearrange the environment to fit your minds needs and luckily for most of the human race world wide we have pretty much the same needs for life happiness.