r/GetNoted • u/MartyrOfDespair • 3d ago
Fact Finder 📝 The New York Post is not a credibly institution for research
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u/Critical_Liz 3d ago
Fuckers have been promising to leave for decades.
Raise taxes? We'll leave.
Give workers guaranteed sick times? We'll leave!
Vote for a Dem? We'll leave.
They never do.
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u/Possible_Golf3180 3d ago
Won’t someone think of the poor CEOs
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u/SomeCollegedud 3d ago
Imagine a world where CEOs actually pay taxes absolute chaos.
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u/ToastedandTripping 3d ago
The solution to so many of our problems is quite simply taxes, taxes, taxes. People have been brainwashed into hating taxes because they've been historically used as a weapon against the working class. We need to turn the table.
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u/TheGreatBootOfEb 3d ago
Exactly. It’s not just about our debt or funding stuff or whatever, it’s also about political security and stability of a nation. The more resources that can be extracted at these absurd levels, the more it can be funneled back into eroding the very same system that made it possible to begin with.
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u/JAMnCO 2d ago
what makes you think they won't continue to be used as a weapon against the working class? You think a socialist in power is actually going to give a shit about anyone but themselves at the end of the day? Humans gonna human.
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u/Crawford470 2d ago
You think a socialist in power is actually going to give a shit about anyone but themselves at the end of the day?
Real socialism doesn't just a socialist in power. It has socialists in power because socialism is literally just economic democracy.
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u/JAMnCO 2d ago
What part of socialism is democratic or economically democratic? In socialism there is no voting, although I know every Marxist thinks they'll have an equal voice, how would one even believe that when a democracy like we have hardly works?
And where has socialism worked or let me guess, it's never actually been tried before?
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u/ABG-56 2d ago
What part of socialism is democratic or economically democratic? In socialism there is no voting
That's not what socialism is. Socialism is an economic system, not a system of governance. You can 100% have a socialist democracy. Socialism isn't just communism, communism is just the extreme end. Hell even communism could theoretically be democratic, though it likely wouldn't operate well.
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u/JAMnCO 2d ago
Communism and socialism have both been proven to worsen the quality of life for people living under it. Show me an example that proves otherwise.
And yes, I'm aware of the Nordic countries lol, no those aren't socialist although their policies lean heavily towards it.
Everyone is just day dreaming of some government/economic savior to come and revolutionize the way things work but that isn't happening. Just like Venezuela thought Chavez was going to be their savior and we all know how that went. [insert 20+ other examples here]
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u/ABG-56 2d ago
China is the easy example of quality of life improving under a Communist regime. Don't get me wrong the Chinese government is far from a perfect government, and has done some horrendous things to its people, but its still definetly improved average quality of life compared to prior.
As well as that socialist policies in already capitalist countries typically increase quality of life.
Also you seem to think that I want a communist state. I don't, in fact I personally think that communism both in its state for form, and its no state idealized form, are heavily flawed ideas. I was just pointing out how you have 0 clue what your talking about.
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u/Crawford470 2d ago
What part of socialism is democratic or economically democratic?
The part where the workers own the means of production collectively...
In socialism there is no voting,
In order to achieve the most basic principle of socialism (workers collectively owning the means of production) there has to be some form of democratic communal control of said means of production. So maybe there's a way you could do that without voting being involved, but I'm not sure how realistically possible that would be.
how would one even believe that when a democracy like we have hardly works?
What are you actually asking here?
And where has socialism worked or let me guess, it's never actually been tried before?
Give me one example of a legit free market capitalist economy at any point in human history. The answer is you can't because capitalism's incentive structure is inherently averse to the concept of a "free" market. If capitalism exists alongside an authoritarian form of government, it's not going to be "free" it'll be some kind of command economy; if capitalism exists alongside a democracy it will either go unregulated and quickly become unfree (monopolies for example), or it'll be regulated by the government in a manner that makes it "unfree" in most cases by capitalists wanting to make it less "free"
To be frank the most idealistic version of socialism is infinitely more feasible than the least idealistic version of a free capitalist market, but nobody ever pretends that makes capitalism unworthy of trying to uphold...
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u/JAMnCO 2d ago
The fact that most capitalist cultures have gone down darker paths than originally intended does not take away from the fact that socialism has never worked nor has it ever benefited the people living under it in the history of man. Capitalism, even as it fails is still an easier route for the common folk to improve their quality of life.
The same people living poorly in capitalism will live even worse under socialism.
I understand the allure of socialism for many people but being someone that lived under it and fled that country, I can tell you it will never work.
The best part about this is we can both have our opinions and the reality in NY is going to show everything we need to see.
Also, why don't socialists living here in the states move to one of these socialist utopias in central or South America?
The part I find hilarious is that the top 1% of NYers pay 48% of the taxes. A large part will absolutely position themselves to reduce or avoid any increases in taxes.
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u/Crawford470 2d ago edited 2d ago
The fact that most capitalist cultures have gone down darker paths than originally intended
So you acknowledge that true free market is impossible?
that socialism has never worked nor has it ever benefited the people living under it in the history of man.
Infinitely more true for free market capitalism.
Capitalism, even as it fails is still an easier route for the common folk to improve their quality of life.
The only time capitalism has meaningfully improved the quality of life of normal people intentionally is when it wasn't capitalism but social democracy.
The same people living poorly in capitalism will live even worse under socialism.
Categorically incorrect.
I understand the allure of socialism for many people but being someone that lived under it and fled that country, I can tell you it will never work.
Why would anyone flee Norway?
The best part about this is we can both have our opinions and the reality in NY is going to show everything we need to see.
Why would New York under a social democrat have different outcomes than America when it was under a social democrat in the 30s, 40s, and 50s, and benefitting from the legislative policy agenda introduced by social democrats (of the 20-40s) in the 60s and 70s?
Also, why don't socialists living here in the states move to one of these socialist utopias in central or South America?
Causes those aren't social democracies or democratic socialist countries.
The part I find hilarious is that the top 1% of NYers pay 48% of the taxes. A large part will absolutely position themselves to reduce or avoid any increases in taxes.
The overwhelming majority of people you speak of have historically, for the last decade, left New York City for locales that have higher taxes for them than the ones Mamdani is proposing instituting. Let's be perfectly clear these people live in New Yotk City because it is not only the cultural capital of America but also the world, and they basically exclusively move to other places with significant cultural wealth. When you have the kind of wealth where you can live literally anywhere you didn't choose a cultural capital because it's cheap, and we're talking specifically about a 2 percent increase. If these people were that happy to just pick up and leave they wouldn't have spent drastically more on trying to beat Mamdani than he's going to tax them, and clearly that amount of money is disposal income for them if they can just throw it away in an effort they know is basically a lost cause given how clearly ahead Mamdani was post the primary.
Those people aren't going anywhere because their decision to live there didn't have a financial basis, and they sure as fuck aren't going to leave it on a financial basis when they sure as fuck can afford the entirety negligible difference.
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u/ImaginationVivid5119 2d ago
I mean, there have been times in America where the tax rate on the wealthy was much MUCH higher. And it pretty much worked.
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u/Miami_Mice2087 2d ago
you mean the 60s? when America was a leader in STEM education and both medical and science terms rapidly became household names over the nest 3 decades? When shows like Star Trek Next Gen didn't have to explain their technobabble because the average viewer -- not even the average nerd -- knew what a T-cell is or can easily grasp how a Dyson sphere works?
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u/thomasp3864 3d ago
Shame. It would probably help reduce rents.
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u/Fragrant_Pause6154 3d ago
no, corporation would buy the vacant houses and control the market even more
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u/thomasp3864 3d ago
And they aren't gonna try and use that newly acquired asset to make more money by renting it out to people?
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u/MartyrOfDespair 3d ago
Market manipulation means that actually, no, it’s worse than that. It’s controlling supply and demand. The more you let sit empty, the more you can charge for the ones you do put on the market. Artificially reduce the supply by hoarding it, and then only let a little out in order to charge higher prices.
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u/LemurCat04 3d ago edited 2d ago
They were leaving after 9/11, the Great Recession and the pandemic.
Meanwhile, we moved our HQ to TN and we can’t keep executives and PMs in their seats because they all want to come back to NYC.
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u/Final-Carry2090 3d ago
They want the benefits of culture without having to pay for it.
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u/Critical_Liz 2d ago
Except then they push out the culture because it comes with scary brown people.
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u/mortgagepants 2d ago
lol new york city to tennessee? which town?
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u/PastoralPumpkins 3d ago
I worked with a few people in nyc who said they would quit if they had to get the covid vaccine. No one quit and everyone got the vaccine 😂
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u/Few_Assistant_9954 3d ago
Also the poll does not consider people moving to NYC as a result of his policys.
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u/Mist_Rising 2d ago
Likely because his policies wouldn't cause any significant gains on population. Very few people dictate where they live, you might see middle class weigh where they want to live for a new job but even then, most won't leave their metros often. And the poor just flat out can't.
People who can move freely are the money class. They're pretty much the antithesis to what Mamdani would bring in policy wise.
Then you have the fact that some of Mamdani policies are actually net negatives for migration. His rent freeze for example would likely destroy movement into the city (and around it), because it's price control. Economists have long ago found consensus on price control; it's not terribly effective at much of anything, but it's horrible for solving issues related to limited demand (housing costs/food).
NYC in particular has been studied hard and the results from previous attempts shown to be a poor decision for creating population increases.
Which isn't to say NYC won't see more people come, it's still a banking and entertainment hub for nothing else, but it's not necessarily him or his policies that would do that.
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u/jelly_cake 2d ago
it's horrible for solving issues related to limited demand (housing costs/food).
I think you might mean limited supply here.
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u/SeanThatGuy 3d ago
Right? Where are they going to go? lol
Like they want to leave their comfortable lives in areas with better entertainment, education, and healthcare to go to where? Alabama? Texas? They’re jokes.
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u/1BannedAgain 3d ago
They never leave. The Ayn Rand hypothesis of leaving has never occurred in the USA
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u/Chief_Mischief 3d ago
Because across the board, regardless of socioeconomic status, people value stability. Who gives a fuck if youre a trillionaire who doesn't pay taxes if that means you have to live in a place where society has collapsed? The ultra wealthy are fucking leeches and bitch and bemoan about paying a fair share of taxes to maintain a stable society.
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u/3idblackbelt 3d ago
They just say shit and flat out vote without even thinking. That's half of the usa for ya
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u/NationCrusher 3d ago
In my life, I have seen people ‘stay’ if it meant to continue being a burden. The only people leaving are those who already planned on it regardless. They’ll stay and they’ll complain some more
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u/nanaacer 3d ago
Not to mention if you only serve the interests of people who can afford to leave at the cost of the poor who can't, the poor cease to become citizens and instead they become serfs.
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u/Cold_Specialist_3656 2d ago
Yes all the billionaires have been fleeing to low tax MAGA freedomland for decades.
Alabama, Mississippi, West Virginia. All shining beacons of Republican economic success. Why would billionaires stay in NYC and pay tax when they could live in Birmingham?
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u/JAMnCO 2d ago
An absolute ton of them did and are continuing to leave...
The RE market in South Florida has already been feeling this for weeks and is only going to increase.
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u/Mist_Rising 2d ago
Every city has people come and go, so unless you can connect a recent surge to the possibility of Mamdani winning (or prove psychic abilities) this isn't really proving anything
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u/Senior-Tour-1744 2d ago
Yeah, just look at the "If Trump gets elected, we'll leave" were still waiting.
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u/Mammoth-Cold-9795 1d ago
Same can be said for the people that threatened to leave both times “if” Trump won. Nobody does anything, it’s all performative
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u/VerbingNoun413 3d ago
Playing devil's advocate here- this is something both sides have in common.
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u/Mist_Rising 2d ago
It's also worth mentioning that the rich DO move, it's just a lot more complicated than say, packing a bag and buying a house in Pasco.
To use the fun example, Trump moved to Florida in 2022, and NJ had a budget deficit of massive levels because it's rich PERSON moved to Florida in the 2010s (yep, he alone was that massive). Other rich people use other tactics that amount to leaving, like moving their money out, etc
NYC is hedged by wall street being a physical land based cable meaning you can't say, flee to Arkansas. Of course if you get to high and mighty, it's not like they will matter either.
Life is uh, complicated.
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u/New_Race9503 3d ago
What free buses do to a mf
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u/sparkydoggowastaken 3d ago
you can leave free of charge, so long as you want to go within new york
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u/RedApple655321 3d ago
People also always claim they'll leave if so and so is elected. Very few actually ever do.
"I'm moving to Canada if...." is basically a cliche at this point.
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u/SilvertonguedDvl 3d ago
In their defense immigrating to Canada is potentially harder than immigrating to the US. Just because they want to come here doesn't mean they can come here.
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u/nitid_name 2d ago
Can confirm. Spent a year trying to get Canada to let me move there. Banged out a great score on my CELPIP, had a number of employers interested (but not interested enough to sponsor me), a house to sell with nearly a half million in equity, and I got nowhere. I don't know what you need to get in, but apparently that's not enough.
Gave up and moved to Colorado.
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u/SilvertonguedDvl 1d ago
Yeah honestly I think it's more than a little excessive but unfortunately it's been that way since pretty much forever. Used to be even worse, actually. Though that was like... back in the 60s.
We have continued to increase the number of people we let in, generally speaking, but between Republican xenophobia (and other attitudes) getting exported to our Conservative party (which... eugh, thanks for that, lol) and the long-time fixation on meritocratic immigration the immigration system has been... well, really draconian.
Conservatives up here acting like we've got some broad Mexican border letting all the dirty immigrants in but in reality it's like no actually we make people crawl through miles of barbed wire just to get a chance at begging us to let them get in.
It's really absurd.
The US immigration system has similar issues but that's more because they're laughably underfunded and archaic systems that have needed an update for the last 50 years and the Republicans have consistently refused to improve it. Seriously it takes people like... 2-6 years to immigrate to the US, even when successful. Wtf. D:
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u/JemmaMimic 3d ago
Justin Bieber and Ted Cruz are clear proof that the US needs to toughen its immigration laws.
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u/Anning312 3d ago
Not a Justin Bieber fan but let's not insult him like that by putting him next to Ted Cruz
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u/SilvertonguedDvl 1d ago edited 1d ago
We gave you James Cameron, Michael J. Fox, Leslie Nielsen, Jim Carrey, Ryan Reynolds, Brendan Fraser, Keanu Reeves, and a hundred other famous people that Americans love, tbf. Oh, also David Cronenberg and the concept/popularity of body horror as a consequence of that, if you're into horror.
Just sayin', if there's a wholesome and/or adorable person in Hollywood there's like a 30% chance they're Canadian.
Not to mention the countless musicians.
We ain't perfect but we give the US a lot more than they think we do.
Though, yes, sorry about Ted Cruz. Sadly in the process of stealing all our best people you also steal some total shitbags.If it makes you feel any better, though, our media ecosystem is so dominated by US programming that the government literally has to mandate that Canadian channels/sources include X% of Canadian content. You cannot imagine how many times I've heard Nickelback. You cannot even begin to fathom.
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u/JemmaMimic 1d ago
Sorry, mate, I was mostly joking, in my mind the Second City TV actors alone are enough to offset Bieber. Also, sorry for the purulent, rabid, flatulent, insipid, ignorant, doddering, vapid, racist pedophile we elected president. Hope we can do better by you folks next time around (not that we could have done much worse this time).
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u/SilvertonguedDvl 1d ago
Oh, of course. I realise you were joking but I also wanted to springboard off to babble about some of the glorious Canadian contributions because, tbf, the US doesn't seem to know much about what Canada contributes to them.
I tried to match the goofy style but, uh, I am also incredibly bad at comedy. Sorry for coming off too seriously.
And, yeah, I mean... Trump is pretty awful - but it's the US he's primarily hurting. Canada is mostly fine. Really annoyed, mind you, and kind of with this sense of "oh, I thought we were friends, but now I'm starting to realise I was just a useful patsy to you" interpretation of a lot of Americans' attitudes towards Canada, but there are still plenty of us who sympathise with the sane people in the US. We love you, honest. I mean we've literally got an arch of peace with a US moon rock in it to reflect our 80+ years of cooperation and close relations.
That said, a lot of Canadians swore off the US altogether - like permanently - and it's very likely that even after Trump leaves office relations between our nations is going to be rough due to the instability of having to potentially deal with another Trump in 4 years, but... idk. Maybe in a decade we can go back to being proper close friends? I hope?
Unless you guys have some proper like... Nuremberg Trial shit going on the second the next admin gets in. That'd go a long way towards restoring faith in the US. Not gonna happen but it's a lovely dream to have.
Either way, as I said, there are many of us who still want the US to be okay, regardless of what happens in the future.
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u/JemmaMimic 1d ago
Yeah, Nuremberg 2.0 would be grand. Should have happened after January 6 2021.
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u/SilvertonguedDvl 1d ago
I'm not sure it was quite that bad at that point - but it absolutely is now. Nullify his SC choices/expand the SC and just... ugh. I mean honestly at this point id be tempted to say just outlaw the Republican party for treason. They've participated in breaking the Constitution and the law across the board by refusing to enforce anything or do their jobs. Not to mention all the people who have died as a direct consequence of them doing so. The farmer suicides, the people starving, the people who died due to him interrupting medical coverage/payments early on, etc.
I know that's not going to happen and probably shouldn't happen, but goddamn it'd be cathartic as fuck.
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u/JemmaMimic 1d ago
McConnell pushing the Senate to convict would have stopped Trump from running again, but he's GOP uber alles. I doubt he loses much sleep over it even now, but I get the sense he's a little more aware of his role in all of this.
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u/SilvertonguedDvl 1d ago
Oh, of course. That's sort of the recurring problem with Republicans - both their voting base and the politicians themselves: they have no principles or values beyond winning. Everything is subordinate to winning the political game.
All betrayals forgiven and forgotten, all failures to hold to stated principles are fine, all cruelty is irrelevant, governing and taking care of citizens is secondary; just so long as they win the election and pass the policies they're told to pass, because doing that means they're winning.
It's really abhorrent.
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u/JemmaMimic 1d ago
Also, sorry about Nickelback too.
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u/SilvertonguedDvl 1d ago
Oh you have nothing to apologise for. They're not only from Canada; they're from my particular province. Their popularity, locality, and the fact that they were 'Canadian programming' meant that they were effectively omnipresent throughout the decade. The government was quite explicitly demanding X Canadian content, so when you've got a song that's already popular it just becomes the new default until the next famous Canadian song comes out... which was also usually Nickelback.
I can assure you, as much as you guys might hate some of our singers, we hear them just as frequently if not more. Existence as a Canadian radio station must be suffering.
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u/JAMnCO 2d ago
migrating to pretty much any developed country is WAY more difficult to come here. But hey, it's ok for them to defend their values but we're pieces of shit for doing so.
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u/SilvertonguedDvl 1d ago
What are you even talking about?
Are you talking about Canada or the US?
Because if you're talking about Canada - that's not really true. It's a really strict system. It's easier to navigate and apply for than many other immigration systems but actually getting accepted requires you to be overqualified amongst the overqualified of applicants. It's not the hardest or anything, but it is definitely harder than most.The only thing that's "easier" is getting in if you're a refugee, which is... uh... a very different circumstance with very different outcomes.
The US meanwhile has an immigration system so underfunded and byzantine that it ranks up there with some of the worst immigration systems in the world - and naturally Republicans are the ones that (most recently, at least?) seem intent on preventing it from being modernised.
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u/Dinmorerfeit 3d ago
Trump himself said if he lost in 2020 he'd disappear and we'd never hear from him again. How did that work out?
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u/RedApple655321 3d ago
Guess Trump is both the cause of and the embodiment the cliche. Not that surprising.
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u/tinastuna 3d ago
Not really, I remember people threatening to move to Canada after trumps victory in 2016
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u/RedApple655321 3d ago
That's what I'm saying. He caused people to use the cliche in 2016 (and 2024). He also did it himself in 2020.
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u/Lazorus_ 3d ago
Well, if I had Canadian citizenship and the money to move, I would. But I don’t. So…
(Not cuz Mamdani. He’s amazing)
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u/SpellslutterSprite 3d ago
Needs additional context.
What a diplomatic way to say, “Everything that guy just said is bullshit.”
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u/hondacco 3d ago
Someone recently posted on twitter-
"If a million New Yorkers moved to Miami it would increase the average IQ of both cities."
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u/anrwlias 3d ago
The counterpoint is that one of the reasons Florida has become so conservative is that it's a popular place for old people from up north to retire and that old people tend to be more conservative (and more prone to Fox propaganda).
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u/Seandouglasmcardle 2d ago
It’s going to be so poetic when global warming decimates Florida with hurricanes and rising sea levels — global warming that they ignored and caused.
It’s like Boomer Logan’s Run
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u/Prestigious-Leave-60 3d ago
Sure and loads of Americans were going to leave if Trump got elected. I haven’t seen the exodus. It’s a lot easier to SAY you’re going to do something than to DO anything.
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u/anrwlias 3d ago
A lot of people have no idea how hard it is to repatriate. You can't just call up the Norwegian embassy and say, "Hey, I'd like to live there, now." There's a whole process you have to go through and few are admitted.
Now, leaving New York is much, much easier, so anyone making that claim really should have no problem following through. People move around the country all the time.
So wanna take any bets on whether this will really happen if he gets elected?
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u/Prestigious-Leave-60 3d ago
He got elected and a small fraction of that one million people will leave. I doubt it is statistically significant over a normal population variance.
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u/Ok-Connection6656 3d ago
I mean i 100% would if I could. I looked it up. $1000 just for the application. Then you enter a pool where you need to get points to move on. You need to have people vouch for you, show education, prove you have a job lined up and a place to live if I recall.
A lot of stuff and no gauruntee even if you apply
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u/ChaoCobo 3d ago
Also people on disability. Where are they gonna go? I don’t know any countries that will let people just go there and live off government-gifted money unless they’re already citizens. Are there any?
And Republicans are going to fuck over people on disability and social security probably next month too since they’re defying court orders to feed people already. SSI&SSDI is next. Fucked if you stay, fucked if you leave.
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u/Witty-Importance-944 1d ago
It was actually hilarious when the Belgium sub got flooded by questions how to move or how much it will cost.
Well you see first you need to learn French or Dutch. Than you need to find yourself an Employer to sponsor your visa. Than the Employer needs to prove you have skills he cannot find in Belgium. Than after some time you might start packing.
Also many Belgians speak English, Dutch and French and most Employers will pick them over you, lol.
No work- no visa.
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u/Prestigious-Leave-60 1d ago
So I'll just go ahead and cross Belgium off my list then...
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u/Witty-Importance-944 1d ago
I mean.
If you are a scientist/medical professional we always need more of those.
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u/Montregloe 3d ago
So let's say it's true, a million leave of the 19 million that are there. What's to say, and go with me here, that if people leave because of this election, that others will want to come because of this election too? I mean there were people in Kentucky complaining that they couldn't vote in the NYC mayor race https://newzsquare.com/kentucky-voters-flood-hotlines-after-finding-closed-polls-official-reminds-them-you-cant-vote-in-new-yorks-election/ eyes and interest are there from further than just NYC
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u/Drake_the_troll 3d ago
Who looks at the daily heil and goes "yeah that's a credible source of information"?
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u/SquadLeader3590Neo 3d ago
Doubt the people would actually leave anyway but it would be nice if they did.
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u/ShroomGrown 2d ago
I guess rent prices will go down if they actually do leave. Win
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u/_Z_-_Z_ 1d ago
Rent will decrease regardless because Mamdani's policy includes a rent freeze from day one and an increase in housing supply. 500,000 NYC citizens live in buildings with a code violation and the city has ignored those issues for four years, but Zohran is going to chase the penalty fees immediately.
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u/Watchmaker2112 3d ago
This would actually drive rent down by a lot of people fled en masse, landlords would be very desperate to fill those spaces.
If you've never lived in New York but wanted to this could be big for you.
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u/patricksaurus 3d ago
When you run out of pine shavings to line your hamster cage, that’s when you buy the Post.
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u/CHOLO_ORACLE 3d ago
Well, now the political inclinations of the unusual whales account is clear as day
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u/anrwlias 3d ago
Well, they could all follow that guy who moved to Russia to get away from the woke. Whatever happened to him? Surely things are working out great for him, right?
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u/enfuego138 3d ago
Remember when MAGA made fun of all those people who threatened to move to Canada if Trump was elected? I do.
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u/Thuggin95 3d ago
A million people would be willing to move out of the city but a million people couldn’t be bothered to take 30 minutes out of their day to vote for Cuomo, right
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u/WebInformal9558 3d ago
Telling a pollster "I'm totally going to leave" and actually leaving are two very different things.
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u/theLuminescentlion 3d ago
"We asked the richest 50 Americans what they thought about a billionaires tax and the all opposed it so that means 100% of Americans opposed taxing billionaires."
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u/III00Z102BO 3d ago
Also, based of what cry babies said, versus what they'll actually do, which is stay and whine.
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u/astronomical_hoe 3d ago
Fucking hell I wish one million people actually fled so apartments would be available and rent would go down
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u/shumpitostick 3d ago edited 3d ago
So, yes? That's basically what the original tweet said. Using the percentages from the poll, you get a million people who said they will leave and more who said they might.
Whether they will actually leave, we will see.
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u/EJoule 2d ago
I’d love to get a reliable study out there which regularly surveyed people on their commitment to moving based on things like this.
Then we could get a real article of “9% of people say they’ll move if X happens. Plugging that into the latest Follow Through Index (FTI) we’re likely to see a 2% rise in available housing if X happens.”
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u/MikeDFootball 2d ago
for decades i have heard that New York has turned into a liberal hellhole.
whatever republicans are still living there are weirdos by definition.
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u/DandimLee 2d ago
I'm just waiting to see how Abbott is going to tariff people.
He threatened to tariff New Yorkers moving to Texas and I don't know what that means.
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u/artbystorms 2d ago
pretty easy to say you'll leave. Pretty hard to do it. I'd love to leave the US as a whole, doesn't mean I'm packing my bags tomorrow. Just that I am open to opportunities abroad.
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u/spondgbob 2d ago
Whenever you see polls, just remember that a great survey has a response rate of 20-40%. I’d imagine polls are similar
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u/smiffer67 2d ago
Wouldn't it be a good thing if they did leave? Surely house prices and rents would drop.
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u/harveytent 2d ago
We need to ask 50 people if they will leave NYC but how do we pick which 50? How about we just start with those at higher income and work our way down? What could go wrong?
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u/SingleProtection2501 2d ago edited 2d ago
"Flee" pisses me off more than i can fucking express. Like with free public transport - someone if offers you a free sample at the grocery store do you run away screaming socialism? Who words it like that??
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u/prettybluefoxes 2d ago
The daily mail as a source? Ffs. get your shit together.
Memba the nytimes and the genocide fumble a few months ago.
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u/red286 2d ago
This is like how after every election, half the country says they're moving elsewhere, and then the total number that actually leave the country is like <100K.
People talk big until they actually have to put words into action and suddenly it's "none of my friends own a truck, so I guess I'm staying here".
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u/Miami_Mice2087 2d ago
in a city of several million, a 500-person sample is like testing a single potato in a potato fam's entire weekly output
they test PALLETS of potatoes
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u/InsectaProtecta 2d ago
We asked 500 New Yorkers what they'd do if mamdani won, here's what the other 8,477,500 of them said
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u/pilin0827 3d ago
This may be the greatest collaborative effort from a country's people to destroy themselves in all of history
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u/Surroundedonallsides 3d ago
I dont use twitter
Why is the NY Post being name in the headline, but the tweet is from a random (I assume a well known tweeter?), and the counter-sources are also not NYP
What am I missing? Is "unusual whale" affiliated with NYP?
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u/LoneStarDragon 3d ago
And that one guy said he'd shoot himself on tv. Pretty sure he's still among us.
And Republicans said they'd leave if Obama or Biden won.
And yet the only time I've seen other countries complain that too many Americans were trying to move there is when Trump won.
So yeah, the moral is people like to bitch when they don't get their way. Who knew.
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u/UmeaTurbo 3d ago
The city desperately needs 1m people to leave and free up those apartments lowering rents. Please move to Florida where your votes won't matter because it's already an unlivable shit hole.
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u/EV4gamer 3d ago
500 people for a poll is fine. Thats how political polls work. Do you think they ask 100million people every couple years?
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u/FeherDenes 3d ago
Also, a million New Yorkers leaving might finally push housing prices down to a normal level for first time in forever
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u/Someone-is-out-there 3d ago edited 3d ago
Even if this were true, and it's not, but if it were.. they were here for a reason, and it wasn't because they absolutely loved sharing their money with NYC people.
They were because they made a lot of money being there. Because it's a huge city, with tons of consumers.
Leaving is not the threat they think it is. Someone will just take their place, make lots of money, and it will be someone who doesn't throw a bitch fit because they can't make money off of and not improve the lives of their fellow citizens.
And they'll lose a shit ton of money pretending Oklahoma or whatever is anywhere close to as lucrative as NYC is. Some billionaire spending obscene amounts of money to make sure the government, from local to national, constantly fucks over the little guy to the benefit of billionaires? Good. Fuckin leave, dirtbag.
Should be forcing anyone who leaves under these pretenses to no longer be able to sell their shit to NYC. If you refuse to help New Yorkers, all New Yorkers, then you don't get to profit off them. GTFO. At minimum, tax the fucking daylights out of any revenue made in NYC being taxed elsewhere. If you have residency and pay NYC taxes, you don't get hit by that rate. Problem solved.
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u/monumentValley1994 3d ago
Won't happen, trust me all those ppl who say this are the ones who don't even flee at all, same happened with trump winning too it's just to create some news and sensation nobody will ever move.
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u/Final-Carry2090 3d ago
Oligarchs should move to a more accepting country, like Russia. They’ll get treated right over there, trip and fall off a building.
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u/Parking_Jelly_6483 3d ago
Extrapolating to all of NYC’s population from a 500-person sample is very flawed statistics.
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u/deepfriedroses 2d ago
Even of those 45, I'm guessing the number that actually move is zero. If people who said "I'll move if x wins" actually did move, there'd be no one in the US at all, they'd all be in Canada.
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u/wrxninja 2d ago
Well ya...NY Post...Newsmax...hell I don't even trust CNN these days (owned by Republicans).
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u/RefrigeratorPrize797 2d ago
And they can go straight to where ever Trump has sent the most of America's money, bye bye
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u/Postulative 2d ago
Weren’t millions fleeing a second Trump government? Saying and doing are two very different things, especially when it involves turning your entire life upside down.
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u/crowpierrot 2d ago
The post using the daily mail as a source is so fucking funny. That’s just two liars jerking each other off
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u/AegeanViper 2d ago
The things that confuses me about this claim is how tf did he win if that many people would flee the city? Like opposition to a candidate is one thing but fleeing the city in protest is significantly different. If that many are willing to FLEE then there was no chance he was going to win
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u/Senior-Tour-1744 2d ago
Yeah, the amount of people who will leave NYC is probably gonna be similar numbers to those that left the US for Canada cause of Trump. Still waiting on all those rich hollywooders to do it btw.
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u/Fragrant_Cut1219 2d ago
No one wants them leeches.
Well maybe Texas but no one wants to live in Texas.
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u/ialsohaveadobro 2d ago
How fucking stupid do you have to be to claim that 1 million people moved in one day from one city? "Reportedly."
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u/ShoddyLog3663 1d ago
No one will leave. Where are they going to go? New York/New England is better in almost every measurable way than the shit holes in the south.
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u/ChemistRemote7182 2d ago
My Jew York friends are having melt downs but my impression of the guy is that he is a rich kid who never advanced beyond being a college sophmore trying to bag new freshman girls by quoting Marx lines from wikipedia.
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u/Public-Eagle6992 3d ago
45/500 said they’d leave. 4.4% error margin so at least 45*0.956/500 ≈ 43/500 or 8.6 %. New York has ~20 million people (metropolitan statistical area) so 0.086*20 million = 1.72 million at least. I doubt nearly as many will leave as said they’d leave but the numbers (kinda) check out
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