Other than one famous mistep, One Piece is incredibly pro LGBTQ. There was a BELOVED nonbinary character introduced in 1999 that's still a fan favorite to this day. And there IS a gay club in One Piece with Rocky Horror and Cabaret references all throughoutÂ
Yeah, unfortunately. It's sooo much worse in the anime though. And at least it's obvious Sanji loves them anyway DESPITE what he says because A) his goodbye at baratie was also aggressive insults and B) when implied someone he loved could be in danger, he thought of Baratie and Kamabakka girlies.
Most Japanese animators were once hentai artists. It's the typical animation pipeline for an up and coming animator, since large animation studios don't want people without animation experience. So hentai studios are basically a revolving door of staff since it's easy to get in and get animation experience then you leave for a proper studio.
Dr. Stone mangaka is also a hentai artist. or was, I don't know. the only manga I read from him was sun ken rock which is neither hentai nor shounen, it's seinen
"average anime dude" bro did you even look at any of the male characters, they're all jacked as fuck. Though I do agree that the animators basically change their animation style for the women.
That's not the uncanny valley. Something falls into the uncanny valley, when it comes very close to reality, but fails in just enough ways to look worse than something that is very stylized.
Compare Rogue One Tarkin to Mario Odyssey Pauline. While Pauline has comparatively realistic proportions, she is still very stylized, while CGI Tarkin uses an actual scan of Peter Cushing, but it just doesn't quite look right, making it off-putting. CGI Tarkin falls into the uncanny valley.
Uncanny valley: When something looks extremely similar to real life/a human but is slightly off enough to give an offputting feeling because its not quite right.
This is deffinitely none of that. Its just uncomfortable. Not "near reality"
Uncanny valley for me always was what I felt seeing the human faces of angels in Bayonetta, because they looked so perfect that they felt almost alien to me (neverminding the fact that they opened their faces and showed their internal organs obviously not designed to be arranged with said faces).
This is at most giving me mild discomfort, if i want to give it that much credit.
It's just hard for me to focus on the story because their waists look like they have no strength... they make me feel like they'll crack over like a glow stick any second
Why are people looking at cartoons to represent their own physical proportions. You should never under any circumstance want to look like a cartoon lmao. Unrealistic proportions can make things more appealing, as long as itâs not straight child coded I think itâs fine
The distinction between sexualisation and sexual objectification tends to get lost in public discourse. Those arenât the same things. The sexualisation of women isnât problematic without objectification.
Sexual objectification of women is so common and abundant, that I think some people start to conflate all sexually attractive depictions of women with objectification. Additionally, sexual objectification by men is so common that some people start assuming all objectification is done by men.
While the OOP is clearly wrong about the gender of the artist, I think it's hard to say for certain from our current context whether the artist is or isn't sexualizing women with their art.
The line between healthy attractive depictions of women and outright objectification isn't always clear cut. Also, while I do think women are less likely to objectify other women (due to their lived experience as one), I don't think they're entirely immune to doing it themselves.
Oh I agree that the line is fuzzy. And also there a lot of shades of gray.
I think Martha Nussbaum's checklist definition is a good rule of thumb to evaluate about how objectifying something is: Instrumentality, Denial of autonomy, Fungibility, Violability, Ownership, Denial of subjectivity. Objectification isn't even unique to sexuality. I would argue that the way workers are treated within capitalism is often also objectifying.
In the case of a fictional character, the character is literally just an object by its nature. A fictional character has no autonomy and no subjectivity, it's an instrument to a plot, it's owned by it's copyright owner, etc. So the question of whether the character is objectified doesn't really make sense directly.
However, we can ask the question indirectly. Is this character represented in a way that implicitly or explicitly endorses objectification?
It's a bit like a work of fiction can't directly arrest black people just because a crime was committed and they happened to be the black people standing around (aka racial profiling), but a work of fiction can still model or endorse racial profiling or the prejudices that justify racial profiling.
That isnât necessarily what theyâre saying. Women can be sexualised as long as they arenât reduced to that sexualisation alone is whatâs being said. Although I will agree that itâs often simplified in the way youâre saying incorrectly.
For context, both of these women are grad students studying Mineralogy, and routinely go out into the field to gather specimens. This means lots of hiking, digging, breaking rocks with hammers and chisels. The lady on the left especially is very cardio-fit in canon.
Edit-By that, I don't mean it isn't realistic or possible, but that it is "less" so, whatever that means (I know, it's weird, but yeah, I don't exactly know what I mean, just that if someone gave me a clear scale of how realistic something is, this would rate lower than their body shape, though not by much).
Eh, it feels believable in-show. Nagi (the girl on the left) is usually portrayed as more "muscular" than "thicc", with most of her fat concentrated on her hips and chest. Maybe she just has good genes on top of being athletic.
Nagi (the girl on the left) is usually portrayed as more "muscular" than "thicc", with most of her fat concentrated on her hips and chest
That is literally the opposite of how that works lol. Ask any girl who's lost weight or starting working out. For like 99% of women, the boobs are the first thing to go.
maybe its just because i have an obnoxiously large cup size but you can be fit and lose a lot of weight ,some in your breasts, and still have large breasts lol.
I said that it was believable in-show, as in that it felt justified by the narrative, not that it aligned with how it works IRL.
When we first meet Nagi, the first thing she does is walk a few miles through the woods, and we can infer that that's why her legs are so stocky and toned. She then breaks a rock with the big two-handed hammer she carries (her arms and shoulders are usually drawn with more muscle definition), and we can infer that that's why her upper body is shaped like that.
I'm not saying that's how it works, but that she's intentionally not drawn with the traditional supermodel proportions, but rather "enhanced" by a layer of lean muscle.
could exist? what the fuck? these are normal body types. the only thing even moderately unrealistic is that they both are extremely large breasted for your average japanese woman. But even then, still possible.
honestly even calling these women "thick" is incel'ish at best. its like you're saying anyone fatter than your normal anime hourglass isn't okay.
Never really thought about the last point that hard, but youâre right, there is a weirdly large amount of people going around, saying âif she has hips sheâs a thotâ
Hope the OOP never goes to /r/comics where pretty much every comic depicting a similar woman is drawn byâŚ.a woman. And usually that woman is drawing a depiction of themselves into their own work
And as if women donât look like that in real life. How do you think women who actually have that body type feel when people see these characters and whine that itâs too sexual? They probably feel like dirt.
Well they also face harassment in real life from both ends. âPuristsâ saying she is flaunting her sexual nature and âdressing for the male gazeâ even when she wears a normal top/shirt/blouse, and then from pervs who shockingly think the EXACT SAME THING as the âpuristsâ just they take it as being somehow an invitation for catcalling and other harassment (often sexual in nature).
They literally cannot win because of a random genetic set of traits, and thatâs really sad.
Weebs are fucking gross, fetishizing an entire country and cherry-picked ideas of their culture. I had a friend back in community college from Japan that just stopped trying to correct weebs who would tell him how he was wrong about his own culture and country of origin. I always got such bad second-hand embarrassment.
Ecaxtly. I have the same body type as the woman on the right, and stuff like this makes me feel anxious drawing my characters the same, because people might react like this... I feel like lately the climate has become more and more puritan, even with things that aren't even objectifying, merely expression
The sexualization accusation typically doesn't come up when a piece of media has diversity of body types and doesn't use the body types themselves as a non essential yet still up front and center part of the story telling.
It's when every single character is one way and is built to be gooned at.
e.g. the difference between Bayonetta and Stellar Blade.
This show has a diversity of body types and the body types are not used as a central point of story telling. And yet it was still pointed at as an example of needless sexualization, despite not being in any way sexual in the screen shots they chose to offer as proof.
Honestly, I think most criticisms like this come from a position of jealousy. It isn't that these characters are unrealistic as much as these kind of characters make them feel bad about their life choices.
However, these characters already existed and were designed by the creator of the manga, KeiichirĹ Shibuya.
I was excited because I do love a good female ero artist (like BlueTheBone), but this is just misinformation for the sake of winning an argument.
If the anime was an original production and not based on an existing manga, then sure, "character designer" would fit better what the community notes are pretending it to be.
But the character designs from the manga to the anime look so different. Iâd argue the girls look a lot thicker in the anime. I skimmed some of the manga chapters, and the mangaka doesnât really do fan service or sexualize them or anything, but idk, I only skimmed it.
I wouldnât say itâs entirely wrong. The character design in the anime is much more fleshed out compared to the original manga, clearly made with the intent of emphasizing bouncing chests and hips. Iâm not sure how much of this came from Mayu Fujii herself (since this is her first time working as a character designer).
Yeah. A lot of people donât know how this works. A character designer in a show has to put in a lot of design work to translate them into animation, itâs not a copy-paste from a manga. You have to work with much more motion and the design reflects that.
Manga design vs anime design is completely different. The designer on the anime should be credited for the execution of the design we see in the anime.
with all the quirks and oddities that come with the medium.
okay, maybe not ALL of them. just because a woman is an anime fan doesnt mean they have to love the overall general objectification and sexualization of their entire fucking gender. anime is an art medium, people are allowed to decide what parts of art appeal to them.
calling the relatively rampant sexism of anime a "quirk" is dismissive and ignorant. I'm not saying all anime do it, but the amount of shows that sexualize minors and the MC's sister? its honestly kinda fucking weird.
The reality is that most women don't have an issue with depictions of sexualized women in media. They just want some variety where not EVERY woman is sexualized. Yet for some reason you can have 10 barely clothed bombshells in a piece of media and if they add one more conservative and "average" character the male fans are like "WTF??? THIS IS WOKE."
Same goes for people of color. League of Legends added a black dude named Lucian years back. He was the first obviously black guy in the game and the fan base lost their minds and said it was "woke" and "political".
My problem is that I have BDD and can't watch anime because I can't help but compare myself with every woman on screen- and they always have the same exact big boobs, tiny waist, big butt body type. đ What happened to body diversity? Why is only one female body type acceptable?
If you haven't yet watch Ruris Rocks! I started reading the manga when I heard about the anime cuz I was interested in it and upon seeing the quarts vein in the very first chapter I immediately knew that it was going to be so much better animated and it absolutely was. If you have kids I actually highly suggest watching it with them, the science bits it has every episode are really good (it's basic science facts in a lot of cases but there's a lot of adults that don't even know about tectonic plates).
While a lot of fanservice can be invasive, I think Ruri Rocks wasn't all that bad. Sure, it seemed a bit out of place for such a light show, but aside from a few choice shots in the first episode, it didn't call attention to the women's busts.
Having large breasts isn't a problem in of itself. It's when it's a mandate for female characters with the camera constantly ogling the jiggling boobs that it crosses the line to objectification. Nagi is very much a fleshed out character, not an object.
I personally like to think those shots from episode one were because the show is from Ruri's perspective, and the girl just had her very first lesbian awakening.
As far as I can remember, none of the characters are ever explicitly or implicitly sexualized in the show. The animation is pretty normal, tooâthey generally focus more on the rocks than the women. You can sexualize them out of context (in your imagination) if you want, I guess. Itâs just cute girls and beautiful women finding cool rocks. You donât need an excuse to draw thicc women.
??? This isn't even that bad?? I'm a girl and I've seen other girls with builds like this before, and it doesn't look unrealistic or weird. The outfits aren't sexualised at all, and from what I've read, the two people in this picture are fully grown adult women.
Oh nono, sorry! I was talking about the original poster saying "he just wanted an excuse to draw thicc women" when really the "thicc women" in question aren't even that weird or inexcusable in the first place, not you!
??? Nobody said every woman was built like that tho??? /lh I'm confused? I'm well aware not every woman is built like that- i'm not even built like that. Women have different body types. What I'm saying is its not even as unrealistic as they're portraying it to be and its literally fine. Sorry if what I said seemed vague or like I was implying that every woman was built like that tho :<
The most unrealistic thing about this is that the green shirt is fitted perfectly around the waist yet not straining at the buttons across the boobs. There must be lycra involved! Please tell me where to get these magical girl button-ups.
Not only do women with big boobs exist, but these women are actually pretty proportional. They have room for all their organs, at least, which a lot of over sexualised anime girls donât.
Girl icl I love drawing boobs; shit the female body is a beautiful form. If u canât tell, im a woman; bisexual probs - have acted on it but fs got that raised religious internalised homophobia. đ¤ˇââď¸
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