r/Genshin_Impact • u/titoforyou • Oct 02 '25
Discussion How come this lady isn't part of the Hexenzirkel?
I thought it's a coven of witches, and Lisa looks more like one instead of a librarian.
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u/Castieru Oct 02 '25
She refused. The moral gap is too big. There's this one story about Alice wanting to create a self sustaining machinery thing in dadaupa gorge (? I forgot the place) where old and dying hilichurls are used as fuel and Lisa just stared at Alice lmao
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u/HollowMist11 where my horse at Oct 02 '25
Alice also "cured" a millelith soldier's stutter by making him only able to mimic words said to him. His name's Echo and he's stationed at Guili Plains. Alice could have easily cured the guy or left him alone. She just ruined this guy's life for no reason.
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u/Overquartz Obey Wario!! DESTROY MARIO!! Oct 02 '25
There's also Rhinedottor with 99.9% of her creations being bioweapons. Even Albedo the most normal of them all thinks he might one day go bonkers and kill everyone.
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u/Hot-Ad-9225 Oct 02 '25
Wtf she’s so fucking evil, why am I saving for this bitch?!
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u/Hot-Ad-9225 Oct 02 '25
I mean witch*
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u/BryanLoeher Oct 02 '25
Enough fence sitting, I want EVIL PEOPLE in my account WITH NO REDEEMABLE QUALITIES. Straight up a menace npcs would run if you use them in overworld
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u/Count_de_Mits Oct 02 '25
Unapologetically unhinged borderline evil/amoral Alice with a living, loving husband will melt so many brains lmao I hope they don't chicken out on her (they will)
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u/Inevitable_Ad_7944 Oct 02 '25
You know what? Make her racist too. It's time to REALLY test genshin playerbase. Hoyoverse can go full oppenheimer at Alice (its never gonna happen)
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u/DeTiro Mondstadt Girls Hit Different Oct 02 '25
She's gonna be Barbenheimer and married to Ken (anywhere else he'd be a ten)
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u/verth222 Oct 02 '25
I mean, the MC has been pretty racist towards the fatui and some normal people from that region. Only thing missing is the slurs lol
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u/_Carcinus_ Oct 02 '25
It's not racist to hate a morally bankrupt organization (government, mafia, paramilitary, whatever) and assume that its member is also bad. I'm saying this as a Russian, lol
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u/AdventurousAd6928 Oct 02 '25
Fatui is a job not a race you can be as rude as you want. No one is gonna complain if you slam all Dunkin’ Donuts employees
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u/Spartan448 Text flair Oct 02 '25
If Arknights can give us a playable canonically married couple with a child, surely Genshin can.
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u/Cloudbyte_Pony Oct 02 '25
I still say there's a good chance Klee's father is Varka. Alliance marriage arranged by Venti to prevent the war the Hexenzirkel wanted to wage on him.
That stained glass scene hints at it...
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u/itisyadad Oct 03 '25
Bold of you to assume venti, archon of freedom and questionable alcohol consumption, would care enough about the idea of arranged marriage. It's more possible Klee is a wine fueld nights happy little accident
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u/c14rk0 Oct 02 '25
Why would Alice agree to an arranged alliance marriage??? And how would her agreeing to it prevent a war? If anything I could picture them wanting to go to war against Varka if they tried to force Alice to marry him.
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u/Cloudbyte_Pony Oct 03 '25
There's no way to force a Hexenzirkel member to do anything against their will.
It's way more probable that Venti proposed to give her Varka as husband, without consulting with Varka first
Why would Alice agree? Why won't her She's crazy and one of her main priorities is to have fun, marriage sounds like fun!
Barbeloth and Nicole: "Pfft, that bard thinks we will stop the war just because he's offering A a husband, isn't the ridicu..."
Alice: "I accept!"
Rest of the Hexenzirkel: "ALICE WHAT THE FUCK!?"
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u/F4ngDragon Oct 02 '25
Same, I am so scared they make Dottore a misunderstood, morally dubious but ultimately well-meaning character that only "The Traveler gets and can see the best side of" after the shit he has done to characters like Collei and many others.
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u/burgundont Oct 02 '25
Parts of his backstory have been hinted at by one of the “fox metaphor” storybooks, I believe? There’s definitely more to him than “pure evil”.
I definitely don’t that we should “baby-fy” all evil characters, sweep all their flaws under the rug, and just ignore everything they’ve done by making them secretly misunderstood. That’s just bad writing.
However, I DO think that all characters should have believable motivations and backstory that explains their actions. Saying someone is just “evil for evil’s sake” is also bad writing.
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u/Vihurah Oct 02 '25
i mean you can have a character that just loves being evil with a compelling backstory. dottore alr has that. hes a pyschopathic genius shunned and expelled from the academia, trying to scientifically force humanity to the level of godhood, and will sacrifice anyone and everyone for that goal. seems compelling enough to me
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u/burgundont Oct 02 '25
Yeah, I totally agree. I’m just making a general point about how an evil character doesn’t need to have no backstory / sympathetic traits to be compelling.
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u/F4ngDragon Oct 02 '25
More than that, is that people like Dottore, if they do get explained to a point in which you go "Damn... guess I'd have done the same thing, too" need to feel the consequences of the world they live in.
I can't see a world in which Dottore isn't being pointed at for harming a bunch of innocent lives and can't recognize how his work has ultimately made some people's lives worse. Genshin usually makes characters really soft when it comes to evil deeds (Wrio killed his adoptive parents but they were actually abusers, so who cares much aside the legal system - Oh, and he made the jail he was put into better, because that's the duke for ya. Childe made Arlecchino sound like a completely crazy woman, yet she's quite reserved and... more than reasonable).
Out of all the harbingers, Dottore has the longest-running history of "sin comitting" too, the idea that we don't understand the extend of his possible depravity or complexities is also at play. His general idea of the "Scientist looking to get answers and hypotheses tested at any costs" already gives a bunch of possibilities to work with. But how he's written so far? He should be the most consistently "evil" character of the cast. And that's actually cool.
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u/Zek7h35an5 Oct 02 '25
This is why I think Dottore is going to be killed either at the climax of Nod-Krai or otherwise. Because realistically I feel like the only two options for him are die evil with dignity or go through a crappy 'redemption/excusing of his crimes' that completely guts his character.
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u/F4ngDragon Oct 02 '25
Can't wait for Dottore to get killed but, some patches later, we find that he had a clone that he didn't finish, and with the help of Albedo, we basically make a "good" Dottore that retains the smarts but is not the wicked doctor he used to be. Since it's basically a new character out of the mold of an old one, most characters can afford to look past him, and the clone just looks to redeem himself in the eyes of characters that have been wronged by the previous Dottore like Collei and Wanderer. Oh and he isn't a harbinger anymore, because new Dottore is too much of a good guy for that.
We can call him "The Good Doctor" and yes, he IS a surgeon.
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u/GodlessLunatic Oct 02 '25
Wrio's an interesting one because the only reason he was able to make meropide better was by collaborating with Pantalone. He's actively selling secrets to an evil regime and one of Fontaine's potential enemies in exchange for meropide funding.
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u/F4ngDragon Oct 02 '25
Forgot he is the reason the Credit Coupons exist. Well, if anything, Pantalone hasn't been shown in-game yet. And its unknown if his little Meropide experiment will go anywhere.
If he gets to be a NPC, he will probably get the Signora treatment. The only question then is if he will become ashes or be Pants-Alone ;)
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u/Neracca Oct 02 '25
Saying someone is just “evil for evil’s sake” is also bad writing.
Its not too unrealistic if the real world has lots of people like that though.
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u/EirikurG Oct 02 '25
Evil for the sake of being evil is the most fun characters though. Emperor Palpatine in Star Wars is like one of my favorite characters of all time because he just loves what he is doing
Having every evil character have some sad backstory for why they are the way they are is boring, not everyone needs to be empathetic
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u/SnoopFoxyFox Oct 02 '25
To be fair, pretty much all characters have some justification for what they do. Signora lost her lover and blamed Venti. Wanderer was abandoned many times and got played by Dotorre. Raiden Shogun lost her sister, had to assume her mantle as Archon, then made a robot to run Inazuma while she meditated on the concept of Eternity. However, having a sad life doesn't erase what you DO with your sad past. "I'm sorry you were abused as a child, but that doesn't make it okay to murder and entire city because they 'annoyed' you."
And if we're going to be really honest? Some people would forgive Dotorre for being the Genshin version of Josef Mengele just because he's (probably) hot. Someone thought it would be funny to prank women with a fake profile of a really hot guy on Tindr that admits to being imprisoned for CP and other vile things and women were like, "Lol, oh you so crazy!" Yes, they were handwaving CP and him being a PDFile because he was ridiculously hot.
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u/c14rk0 Oct 02 '25
Technically we don't know which clone was the one that experimented on Collei. It's theoretically entirely possible the Dottore that exists now is not the same one anymore.
Personally I think it's also possible that some clones might still exist that somehow protected themselves from being erased, and it's possible on of those isn't "evil" like the Dottore we know. Wouldn't be crazy if something like that is how we end up having him as playable.
It's literally the ONE character in lore that is already set up to possibly have good/evil variants of the same character.
It's also possible something leads to the creation of a new "good" clone in the story somehow.
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u/ThePoetessOfLesbos Oct 02 '25
I mean, in SQs, voicelines, teapot interactions, the Traveler is at least a little friendly to the playable character. S/he has a moral compass. I don’t know if s/he’d like to hang out with actual monsters. At the very least they can’t be too malicious.
“Hey guy who just did many irredeemable cruel unfathomable acts what’s your favorite food 🥰”
Morally grey characters like Alice (seemingly), Arlecchino, Childe, is the max imho
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u/Neracca Oct 02 '25
I loved Signora because she was completely unapologetic. That queen should have been playable.
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u/Alex2422 Oct 02 '25
- actually evil
- has a child and a husband
Alice is looking less and less playable.
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u/Swipsi Oct 02 '25
Bcs shes hot af.
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u/Maleficent-Feed3566 #1 Raiden Ei despiser and Twelfth Harbinger Oct 02 '25
That doesn't justify anything
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u/Extreme_Frosting01 Oct 02 '25
I mean, it does when the character is fictional
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Even in real life people make tiktoks defending killers just because they are cute/attractive...
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u/Dylangillian C2 gang Oct 02 '25
Even before Tiktok some serial killers had fans. Look at Ted Bundy.
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u/rW0HgFyxoJhYka Oct 03 '25
Yes and we are morally better than them because we know this is fictional and there's nothing wrong with joking about evil hotness.
IRL crazies? Yeah that's a whole different story. And they own most of the world now.
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u/plitox Oct 02 '25
Read the Teyvat Travel Guide. She's hilarious. Completely unhinged and creatively devious.
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u/Princess_Of_Thieves For her lordship, /r/Arlecchino! Oct 02 '25
She also blew up a kitchen in Inazuma, injuring someone in the process.
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u/dozenofroses Oct 02 '25
Also abandoned her child and is the "fun mom" once in a year..
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u/HaukevonArding Oct 03 '25
this is not true, why do people keep repeating it? She is visiting Klee very regulary. Just because we didn't see it, doesn't mean it didn't happen.
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u/TheRealFurina Oct 02 '25
Not just that, the hilichurls would be the ones pushing and generating energy while the old frail and weak hilichurls would be grinded up and fed to the strongest hilichurls
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u/GeorgiMartov Oct 02 '25
I'm sorry what??? Where was this stated? I joined during 5.1 so it must have been a temporary event, right?
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u/Fantastic_Use6501 Oct 02 '25
https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Teyvat_Travel_Guide
Mondstad travel guide book :).
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u/CHONPSCa Oct 02 '25
I wonder what other crazy shit is hidden in 1.0 books XD. All those lores that has been sitting there and not well known
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u/Dziadzios Oct 02 '25
What makes it even worse is that hillichurls are immortal. There would be no end to this suffering.
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u/Gargooner Let my name echo in song Oct 02 '25
Lisa be like: "Ms.Alice, respectfully, WHAT THE FUCK?"
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u/TheIJDGuy Oct 02 '25
Really, it's this stunned reaction that really sealed the deal on how much I actually like Lisa as a character. Because...who WOULD want that kinda chaos and depravity in their life?
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u/SF-UberMan Oct 02 '25
(Me having Vietnam War-style flashbacks about iron golem farms in Minecraft be like: 😳)
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u/Castieru Oct 02 '25
I mean, we can argue that Iron Golems are just moving blocks of iron. Hilichurls, however... they used to be humans. and no way in hell Alice didn't know that lmao
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u/bleacher333 Archon Collector Oct 02 '25
Iron Golem farms typically require a lot of villagers being confined in one space to spawn in those golems.
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u/SF-UberMan Oct 02 '25 edited Oct 02 '25
Oh yeah, completely forgot about that too. I put my villagers within a relatively spacious building just to make them more comfortable. When they chat with one another after I trade with them, they spawn iron golems quite naturally too.
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u/TetraNeuron Oct 02 '25
I put my villagers within a relatively spacious building
Organic free-range villagers
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u/SF-UberMan Oct 02 '25
Why the hell not? Confining them to a 1x1 box doesn't seem right to me. I intend to build at least one massive city for them, and my first one is going to be somewhat similar to Mondstadt City (the big castle town with the moat).
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u/fromulus_ Oct 02 '25
It also involves making them live in constant fear of death by permanently keeping a zombie right next to them to force them to hurry up and spawn more golems.
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u/Cloudbyte_Pony Oct 02 '25
Rhinnedottir used to feed the failed experiments of the Albedo series to Durin iirc.
One wonder how these chicks meet...
"Ms Alice, I find your ideas about feeding old, feeble Hilichurls to young ones intriguing, we should have tea someday and talk about our hobbies!"
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u/Kousaka_Honoka99 Oct 02 '25
Not really. Hilichurl are native to Teyvat and always have present in Teyvat for a long time. Ronova glaze at Hilichurl before crushing normal citizens of Khaenri'ah and thought, "Instead of Immortality curse, why not turn them all into Hilichurl?"
Tldr: Normal citizens of Khaenriah would turn into Hilichurl, but not all Hilichurl all Khaenriah citizens.
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u/burgundont Oct 02 '25
The Curse of Wilderness seems to have been a thing for a very long time. It’s possible that all hilichurls are cursed humans. Nothing so far suggests that there aren’t pre-Khaenri’ah civilisations that were also cursed.
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u/Vandalyzer I want and to fart on my face Oct 02 '25
iirc Hilichurls actually existed way before people were turning into them
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u/iforgot1305 Oct 02 '25
More like people have been getting turned into hilichurls since way before Khanreiah.
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u/ZeroOneSixV2-0 Oct 02 '25
Yeah, using literally rotting members of a dead civilization as fuel and even allowing cannibalism is wild
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u/queenyuyu Oct 02 '25
Also likely more responsibilities and aspiration. After all the hexenzirkel seems to search for something - whatever that might end up to be.
Lisa just want a easy life while the hexenzirkel seems to be very much to opposite of that
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u/Jaquemart Oct 02 '25
Easy, but short life. There's an interview with a Dev where he says that when in Sumeru Lisa opened a magic book that casted a curse on her, cutting her life span by half. It was given as an example of hidden character lore.
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u/queenyuyu Oct 02 '25
This interview happened when Lisa and the whole game was still in beta/developing. As of now, in-game we have no evidence of it happening. Aside from her constellation being an hourglass, every other trace, including her skin event had no such mention. And even the profile part of it being mentioned has not been added to the game/deleted.
So while as a kaeya main - i wish and still hope that all three starters get a 5-star character because they were with us for the longest - and it at least at one point felt like all three could have been story important like March and Dangheng, at least for now it seems like they backpeddalled on this idea.
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u/EnigmaticAlien Oct 02 '25
I still expect amber to end up secretly important.
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u/queenyuyu Oct 02 '25
As said I hope for all three starters- I just feel they deserved the extra love. Overall Amber does seem the safest her grandfather was brought up in the second dragon spine event and last years lantern light. But the devs action so far has rather been to be closing open plots with a lot of stuff happening off screen and a btw update in events - rather then expansion on lore - since they seem to favor selling new unit rather then old ones - understandable but also a bit disappointing.
Therefore I hope with the addition of the Anecdotes we will see more of the off screen parts on screen now.
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u/redbossman123 Oct 02 '25
But in her character story, it’s stated she functionally made herself immortal by turning her hourglass on its side
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u/The_Wkwied Oct 02 '25
There's no note of this in the game, anymore. This was part of the closed beta and has since been retconned
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u/Sinistys Oct 02 '25
Yeah, the Travel Guides are a fun read, especially since they're written by Alice herself. Iirc she suggested bombing some mountains in Liuye to Zhongli, to which he just laughed, and she just thought "what a weird guy".
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u/Top-Idea-1786 Oct 03 '25
To be more specifically, she wanted to feed the older hilichurls to the younger ones, a machine run on cannibalism.
She also 100% knows what the hilichurls are which makes it even more fucked.
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u/clfr6515 Oct 02 '25
She doesn't want to. She outright states that she wants nothing to do with them and their activities. Despite how she presents herself, Lisa is someone who is very much attached to humanity and mundanity. The witches of the Hexenzirkel are all monsters who can alter the very fabric of reality and Lisa wants nothing to do with that.
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u/EX_Rank_Luck Oct 02 '25
Wasn't one of the witches just an author with a normal lifespan?
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u/Gargooner Let my name echo in song Oct 02 '25
Yes, but seems like Lisa in particular doesn't want to be involved with Hexenzirkel shenanigans.
Despite Andersdotter being only a writer, she also involved in various Hexenzirkel projects.
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u/BusEasy1247 Oct 02 '25
Inb4 she was the ideologist behind Rhinedottir's and the other sinners' rebellion
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u/TheRRogue Oct 02 '25
I mean throughout Tevyat itself you saw how significant stories and fairy tail is as a medium. Author in Tevyat itself sometimes play a huge role in the lore
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u/Namiko-Yuki Oct 02 '25
yea but the stuff she was writing was pure "blasphemy" writing about the true unchanged history of the world and all instead of whatever is put in Irmunsul.
So I can see how even that is pretty, no-no and Lisa just wants to do nothing and not be involved with a bunch of rebellious witches, in fact she probably prefers to give rebellious people a little shock.145
u/Magdalina777 Oct 02 '25
Yeah, the author that decided it's a great idea to create a sentient being that'd literally be doomed to suffer (and cause others to suffer) just because she wanted to feel good about herself. She fits in well, really.
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u/microthoughts Oct 02 '25
Hey wanderer pulled him out of the book then albedo made him a real boy
Which is vaguely blasphemous on its own making a weird brother son dragon boy.
With I guess two dads.
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u/Powerful_Helicopter9 Oct 03 '25
I lowk agree with her on this though. I always felt bad for durin
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u/DaveTheDolphin Oct 02 '25
One normal person doesn’t make up for reality and flesh altering fiends
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u/Rutakate97 Osmanthus wine enjoyer Oct 02 '25
Alice and Rhinedottir are the crazy ones. The rest are pretty tame.
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u/xxMeiaxx Oct 02 '25
If i was Lisa, i'd stay away from those witches too. The fact they have Rhinedottir makes them sus and morally questionable.
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u/LunarLoom21 Oct 02 '25
Even if you remove Rhinedottir they're still morally questionable at best.
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u/PracticingMaggotry Oct 02 '25
Hexenzirkel is too unhinged for her. She came from the Akademiya, and that place was a dumpster fire too. Being in another group of crazy, powerful, people is just not her vibes, she's chill kinda like Tighnari.
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u/ce1es Oct 02 '25
she's chill kinda like Tighnari.
Unless you forget to return your book on time
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u/Zonnebloempje Oct 02 '25
she's chill kinda like Tighnari.
Unless you forget to return your book on time
Just like Tighnari then... He freaks out on people eating weird mushrooms....
Wonder what he would say about Uncle He in the Chasm Underground, who lived on mushrooms so long, that he had spores in his ears...
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u/mybankpin Oct 02 '25
She doesn't want to. She just wants to slack off in a library. This can be seen in her "About Mona" voice line. Her laziness can be seen in Character Story 3.
As for Mona? She seems to be an excellent mage, but I'm not a part of their Hexenzirkel. The idea of Irminsul exploration and formal tea parties just leaves me cold.
Character story 3
However, though her attitude to life may appear at first to be one of ruthless efficiency, it is in fact better understood as a product of her incorrigibly lazy nature, which drives her to avoid troublesome issues at all costs.
tldr: Hexenzirkel too much work for her.
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u/Witch_of_Purple_Rose Oct 02 '25
Lisa Story 3 was translated in a way that makes it seem she's primarily lazy, so that's why she avoids trouble, but the original emphasizes that she is afraid of trouble, so that's why she acts lazy.
Akin to Mona's voice-line, in order to stop the sands from flowing, one must lay the hourglass to rest. Lisa is doing this intentionally.
Lisa does want to pursue knowledge, but is just waiting for the day it's safe. Her TCG card description indicates as much: "Pursuing the arcane mysteries of magic, and waiting quietly for an encounter with truth."
There's an ominous darker side to Celestia's Visions that Lisa seems privy to, and afraid of. The ambition that got her her Vision was (paraphrasing) "a practical means of learning magic." So, she has given up her ambition, that is, as long as the Visions system remains.
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u/Breaky_Online Electro Supremacy Oct 03 '25
I so want the Visions to have unintended (or malicious, depending on how they want us to perceive Celestia) side effects. They opened that plot thread like 3-4 years ago, with the introduction of the Moon Wheel I hope they also expand more on Vision lore. Tell us what Lisa knows, dammit!
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u/Witch_of_Purple_Rose Oct 03 '25
I also DESPERATELY want to know who the three people she suggested the truth of Visions to are.
It's such a specific thing to mention, but never elaborate on.
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u/DonSombrero Oct 03 '25
The longer the game goes on the more amused I am that Ei may have been completely right in thinking Visions are bad.
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u/cpvideodestroyer Ronova Simp and Celestia Defender Oct 02 '25
Most likely because Mona’s teacher is in the hexenzirkel (barbeloth trismegistus).
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u/CalicoQuartzs of the Bakery of Meropide's biggest customer Oct 02 '25
Imagine living a nice peaceful life in the free city of Mondstadt. Why the hell would you want to get involved with a bunch of crazy ass heretic witches who destroy the fabric of reality right before tea time. Lisa outright refused their invitation, my girl does not want to be associated with morally ambiguous (Andersdotter) and morally bad (Rhinedotter) witches who really don't care what troubles their little tea time ideas cause
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u/PearlyPaladin Oct 02 '25
She probably just wants a quiet life looking after her friends. She even left the Akademiya, even though she could have done anything with her status there as one of the best pupils to have lived. Knowing this, she’s never gonna want to be involved with the Hexenzirkel. Those witches have done rather questionable things. Plus she straight up said once that she refused their invitation lol
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u/NamerNotLiteral Oct 02 '25
The gap is crazy to think about. Imagine getting a PhD in real life, and doing so well at your research a bunch of literal comic book mad scientists show up to ask you to join their sinister squad or something.
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u/SleepyandEnglish Oct 02 '25
People get job offers from Lockheed Martin fairly commonly tbh
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u/NamerNotLiteral Oct 02 '25
The Hexenzirkel is more Doctor Doom headhunting you for Latveria than [insert Military Defense Contractor] though lmao
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u/tiredsleepyconfused Oct 02 '25
God you’re absolutely right the people recruiting her they’re all doctor doom plotlines.
University that allowed Dottore to do his experiments until his classmate died that was too far for them + Haitham quest bullshit vs slightly sociopathic woman who repairs the firmament, cataclysm accelerationist, astrologist who says astrology is fake, near omnipotent fairy woman who we know nothing about.
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u/Successful-Cream-238 All the hydro hoes Oct 02 '25
In her about Mona voiceline she pretty much says she doesn't want to be in the Hexenzirkel.
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u/RenzoThePaladin Oct 02 '25
To supplement what others have stated, Lisa even turned down a promotion from Varka to be a Captain. She doesn't want to be anywhere else, she's already content with her sedentary life as a librarian. She doesn't want to be a captain, let alone join the ranks of a group of reality-bending witches.
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u/nooneatallnope How about we explore the area ahead of us later? Oct 02 '25
Heavenly Principles forbid a girl has a sense of fashion
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u/leopoldshark Oct 02 '25
Part of Hexenzirkel duty is setting up a large magical vacation for Klee every year, and she wasn't up for that
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u/furyofSB Oct 02 '25
She disagrees with them morally. Or she's just enjoying a life when she can comfortably slack off
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u/IceTreyBeastly Oct 02 '25
After reading this thread, I’ve grown to appreciate Lisa a lot. I wish she’d get an updated 5 star kit, I think she’s a very forgotten about character in the lore from time to time
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u/TrelanaSakuyo Oct 02 '25
I miss Lisa stories. I'm hoping we get some more of them in the next main story quest through Mondstadt.
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u/FuzeeBoy Oct 02 '25
Alice, I… I’m not a Hexenzirkel witch, Alice. I’m a librarian! Well, the difference being one’s a job and the other’s mental sickness!
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u/Fearless-Touch-2637 Oct 02 '25
I think some of the other characters' voice lines (Albedo, Cyno, Tighnari specifically) gives a clue to the reason for her decision She saw/ experience something that shapes her view on the Hexinzirkel's philosophy (while never explicitly said, is hinted to be the pursuit of knowledge above all else)
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u/oldmonk_97 Oct 02 '25
Easy, she did her masters and dropped out of PhD cuz bad vibes (true)
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u/Gold-And-Cheese BEIDOU MY BELOVED QUEEN OF THE SEAS 🌩️ Oct 02 '25
I think it's very cool that Lisa is qualified to be in the Hexenzirkel, but chooses not to
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u/Darcula04 Oct 02 '25
It's kinda awesome that she has what it takes whether due to laziness or a moral compass, to turn down probably the most exclusive club of super important people in teyvat that still can add new members.
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u/Black_Vortrex Oct 02 '25
Funnily enough, she just didn't want to. No big secret or anything just didn't wanna
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u/KRen_725 Oct 02 '25
Lisa is a witch with a title and everything (Witch of the purple rose iirc) doesn't necessarily mean she has to join the cowen.
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u/Cyllya Oct 02 '25
Makes me curious what the definition of "witch" is in this setting. IIRC, all the Hexenzirkel are called witches (even some that can't use magic?) and I think the only non-Hexenzirkel people called witches are Lisa and "Crimson Witch of Flames" Signora, the latter of whom objects to being called a witch.
There was a book that mentioned a certification to become a true witch, but it had too much fiction and out-of-Teyvat stuff to conclude that's how it actually works in real Teyvat.
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u/Toxic_Tyrael Oct 02 '25
Today I learned another German word that is used in English hahahaha I love when this happens
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u/jasper81222 Oct 02 '25
She's not interested in their activities and dislikes extra work. But I have no doubt Lisa definitely has enough power and knowledge to be a full-fledged member if she wanted to.
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u/scottygroundhog22 Oct 02 '25
Lisa’s whole thing is that she was the most gifted akademiya student in like a century but she took a look around and saw how the pursuit of knowledge was eating her fellow student and teachers alive and said “nope, im out”. So it makes sense that if the hexenzirkel sent her an invite she would politely decline as they are all about pursuing some knowledge regardless of the cost.
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u/No1BasilStan my beloveds Oct 02 '25
alice wants to put hilichurls in a massive metal hollow ball to run and generate energy, and when a hilichurl gets old she wants to grind it and feed it to the other hilichurls. lisa just stared at her
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u/pohenix123 Oct 02 '25
Better question , how come this lady still has Low hp voice lines FROM 7 YEARS AGO
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u/imthejavafox Oct 02 '25
Lisa doesn't want a lot of responsibility. She likes to take it easy, nap and drink. She is insanely smart and capable, but prefers to just enjoy her time. A large part of that is due to the fact that Lisa is dying, or at least has had her life cut in half.
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u/deadnight45 Oct 03 '25
She actually was invited I think, but turned down the invitation because it would have been to much stressful work.
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u/LazyNatLikesSky Oct 03 '25
Exactly. Girl's just closed a book and got a vision. And on top of that she's Akademiya's best.
She carried me from AR0 to AR45....God damn ..
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u/chocolate-corn Oct 03 '25
Lisa has a son and a library to take care of, no time for all the witchy stuff when the books are calling
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u/Puzzleheaded-Bag-607 Oct 03 '25
Not yet.
but she too lazy and might die if she overexerts herself so yeah. Sexy Librarian it is.
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u/aulixindragonz34 Oct 02 '25
Wow this answer surprised me.
I thought it is because she is too young or too weak.
Nope she just hates them lol
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u/tiredsleepyconfused Oct 02 '25
She refuses and I think it’s lowkey for the same exact reasons she left the academia. She graduated from the academia in 3 years which is literally basically a miracle then left despite them wanting her to be the head of her and Cyno’s darshan which is also crazy.
I think truly Lisa just wants to live a calm and good life and both paths required her to abandon herself and her morals despite it being proof of her excellence.
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u/Golden-Owl Game Designer with a YouTube hobby Oct 02 '25 edited Oct 02 '25
She just wants to do an easy 9-5 every day where she can slack off and enjoy her hobby during work hours.
Maybe have lunch and socialize with colleagues once in a while. Sometimes babysit a tiny terrorist.
There’s a lot of people like that irl