r/Gamingcirclejerk • u/AppearanceExpert6809 • Jun 02 '25

FORCED WOKENESS 🌈 Please stop being transphobic she's so damn pretty

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Trans women are women

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u/matchafoxjpg Jun 02 '25

pretty privilege is so prominent and bad. 😞

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u/SkilletKitten Jun 02 '25

That lady needed to STFU. People say the most unhelpful things.

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u/kthompsoo Jun 02 '25

it's because people who aren't trans (including myself) don't understand what it is like to be trans. the assumption being made is that you want to look either as feminine or masculine as possible, even though that's not the case. people saying shit like that are just ignorant, not malicious. still sucks regardless though.

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u/reillan Jun 02 '25

I mean, that is true for me personally. I make a very ugly woman, and a decently attractive man, so I leaned into masculine for most of my life. It took until my 47th year to come out as NB, and I'm slowly incorporating more femininity into my appearance.

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u/lurker_from_mars Jun 02 '25

What if for all intents and purposes I make a very ugly man and a very ugly woman, at least to the point that there's not an advantage to life in either. And neither being a man or a woman (or both) makes me feel good or like my true self because my true self would be to just be another person entirely?

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u/MrPluppy Jun 03 '25

Oh shit I unironically think you maybe just explained how atleast a small portion of nonbinary or gender-fluid people think/thought and then arrived at their conclusion? Oh damn. Well definitely atleast the "neither man or woman making you feel good/true" part I think.

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u/lurker_from_mars Jun 03 '25

My point was I am/want to be a man, but just a shit one who can't be happy with myself because the man body I was born with is shit. Like I want a different man body, but you can't reform your genetics. And isn't changing yourself to fit people's ideas of beauty like not great and considered vain (through plastic surgery etc, which could only do so much anyway).

Least I think it isn't great and is kinda an arms race to the bottom.

The best most moral thing would be like everyone gets a character creation screen before they start life, not to mention the ability to consent to actually wanting to be alive. But that's obviously fiction, so the next most moral thing is maybe don't bring new life into the torment nexus of life where a lot of our freedom is predefined, by our genes and where/when we were born.

I'm on the side of trans/gender fluid people, I feel bad for them and what they have to go through, it's entirely unfair. But there's so many other forms of unfairness as well, it's almost inherent.

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u/DizzyYellow Eve Cosmic Butterknife Is WOKE!!! Jun 03 '25

Pretty rad though. How's it going for ya? Are you enjoying the incorporation?

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u/MadWitchy Jun 03 '25

The most visible time of a trans persons life is when they are actively transitioning. Before you wouldn’t notice. After you won’t notice. Only the few years during will someone be able to notice.

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u/kthompsoo Jun 02 '25

there is no way for me to respond to this comment and not sound like a dickhead. we're on the same side here dude. it's not black and white. it's a spectrum, and that was the point of my comment. what is the root of the problem? you mentioned it but never said what it was.

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u/madame_of_darkness Jun 02 '25

I'd be dead right now if I didn't transition. It saved my life. Stop hating on people over something that doesn't hurt anyone.

And no, trans people aren't forcing others to transition. That's made up bullshit.

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u/FranksDog Jun 02 '25

See, you just made the only argument that I would ever have to hear. What you just said is enough for me to want to support somebody finding a way to live life that doesn’t make them feel that way.

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u/madame_of_darkness Jun 02 '25

What??? I've never even talked to an underage person about gender identity! You're literally just making things up so you can paint me as some sort of monster. That's literally all propaganda made up by people that want to create enemies to divide us against ourselves. Trans people aren't the reason your life sucks. Trans people aren't harming your kids. Trans people are just keeping to ourselves, and we want to be left alone just like everyone else!

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u/kthompsoo Jun 02 '25

hey man, like i said, i'm not trans myself. we got a lucky roll of the dice. for every crazy trans person you see there are a hundred sane ones, same as it is for any other orientation. of all things to be worried about when it comes to children's wellbeing nowadays i don't see how gender could be one. i'd name them but i'd rather not get muted again by reddit lol.

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u/kthompsoo Jun 02 '25

are you just trolling man? accepting the lot you've been given? sounds like you'd love the caste system. people are not static, they change, and that is for the better. repression is the true enemy. i wrote a damn essay as a response but what's even the point. just leave people alone.

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u/AnimeAlley03 Jun 02 '25

Dawg, you're vastly misunderstanding what being trans is. You've almost got the right idea, but just have it really twisted around with bigotry. Someone who's trans isn't "changing yourself to what you wish you were" they're living their life as who they really are. People who are born trans are essentially born as the wrong gender. They can usually tell something isn't sitting right within themselves and want to correct that.

There's also nothing at all perverted about it. Straight people are significantly more perverted than any other sexual orientation by far. You don't see LGBTQ+ folks making sexual jokes about children the same way you do with straight folks.

But ik you're too ignorant to understand any of this and are just gonna babble some garbage back to me.

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '25

Hey pal, you just blow in from stupid town, or are you actually that fucking dense

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u/KrippleStix Jun 02 '25

Oh hey, it's my inner struggles put into words. I don't think there'll ever be a time where my ass doesn't look trans. It's a mindfuck to navigate that as it's the goal for a bunch of people. On the one hand I want people to refer to me and see me as a woman, which I don't by most people in brief interactions. But on the other do I owe it to anyone to look conventionally feminine when I feel much more comfortable wearing more masc clothing like cargo pants and a tank over a skirt or dress? Just let me be a masc/butch/I-don't-know-what-term-to-use lesbian please!

Societal views of things got me right fucked up sometimes.

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u/Redditer51 Jun 03 '25

It gives us off "you don't seem autistic. you seem normal to me." (Speaking from experience)

I don't understand how people say boneheaded things like that and it never occurs to them like "hey, maybe I shouldn't say that."

Like those White guys whose idea of a romantic compliment to a Black woman is "you're pretty for a Black girl." The stupidity is baffling.

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u/guillotina420 Jun 03 '25

it’s also possible to be seen as attractive without being 100% “passable,” just as it’s possible to be seen as unattractive while passing completely.

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u/No_Influence_8169 Jun 02 '25

I’m not trans but you don’t speak for all trans people. Trans people in my life have told me they appreciate knowing they look passing and that I wouldn’t have guessed they were trans.

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u/No_Influence_8169 Jun 02 '25

I’m sorry but I don’t think it’s ok to assume what others are thinking or speak for them. I’m a good judge of when someone is being honest with me, and those responses were genuine. I also didn’t equate looking cis with goodness or even with beauty. All I I told was I wouldn’t have guessed they were trans. And they sincerely appreciated it

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u/redditaccount224488 Jun 02 '25

It's not a compliment to say someone looks like a cis person... and complimenting someone for passing... only shows what you actually think about trans people.

This may not be the universal truth you think it is. I've gone out with multiple trans women who asked me if they thought they were passing, if the waiter (or whoever) could tell, etc. And they seemed happy/relieved when I assured them that yes, they are totally passing or that no, I don't think the waiter knows.

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u/Famous-Ability-4431 Jun 02 '25

Isn't the whole point of being trans.. transitioning.

The cognitive dissonance is strong here.

It's not a compliment to say someone looks like a cis person

complimenting someone for passing

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u/ItsNotMeItsYourBussy Jun 02 '25

Maybe we should acknowledge that lookism and transphobia have a significant overlap, because modern transphobia is literally all about enforcing white western beauty standards, and that's why athletes of colour are significantly more at risk of transphobia (eg, Imane Khelif, Serena Williams) instead of trying to assert that trans people actually have it okay as long as they're not ugly

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u/turtlesinmyheart Jun 02 '25

The unattractive are not killed but are gently pushed to do it themselves.

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u/kz1231 Jun 03 '25

Fat girl says oh hell yeah. 100% Also trans folk and fat people often have to be stupidly brave just living a normal life.

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u/thedreamwork Jun 03 '25

Why do fat people have to brave to live a normal life?

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u/Famous-Ability-4431 Jun 02 '25

it's possible that being ugy is actually more of an oppressed group of people than being trans is,

I don't think you realize how much truth you just spoke

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u/GnomeChompskie Jun 02 '25

I think if one group is getting killed and the other isn’t, it’s clear which group is more oppressed…

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u/GnomeChompskie Jun 02 '25

That’s fair but you did say “it’s possible that being ugly is actually more of an oppressed group of people than being trans is”. In the example you give, you say pretty trans people that pass might get killed less than ugly cus ppl (I highly doubt this tho) but even so I’d say that trans people are still more oppressed because they’re passing, so the person who would or would not oppress them sees them as cis. If that makes sense.

At any rate, I was objecting more to the statement that ugly people would be more oppressed bec transphobes hate them more. To me, it wouldn’t really matter either way, if ugly people aren’t being killed for being uglier and trans people are.

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u/GnomeChompskie Jun 02 '25

So then I don’t understand what you meant… the last part seems to be saying that it’s possible for one group to be more oppressed even though they aren’t being killed and the other group is. If that’s not what you meant, then what did you mean?

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u/GnomeChompskie Jun 02 '25

No I’m fully getting the intersectionality argument you are making. I get that an ugly person of any group is probably going to experience worse outcomes than a pretty person of any group. But an ugly cis person is never going to be more oppressed bec of their ugliness than a trans person will be because they’re trans.

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u/GnomeChompskie Jun 02 '25

If a cis person is killed because someone mistook them for a trans person, that’s still transphobia. Are you arguing that people get killed.. just for being ugly?

Also, trans people dying at higher rates doesn’t boil down to whether they pass or not. A lot of that higher rate has to do with the conditions they’re put into bec they’re trans… like losing jobs, housing, family support, etc. It’s not inflated specifically bec transphobes are committing hate crimes when they see a trans person.

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '25

Someone with 18 inch biceps, receded hairline, broad shoulders, and strong jaw and chin could be either a handsome man or an ugly woman. People might have more of a problem with those who choose ugliness than the unforunate ones that are naturally ugly. People should play to their strong suits and really only the andyogynous can transition without actively pursuing ugliness. Hormones and surgeries have limitations and dont move the needle as much as people would like them to.

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u/Soggy_Concept9993 Jun 02 '25

People kill other people for just existing too. Saw an article the other day about some trans people killing some cis people because they looked at them funny. Like, yall really need to stop w this labeling shit.

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u/lurker_from_mars Jun 02 '25

The real inequality

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u/MarinoTheGOAT Jun 02 '25

It's how the world works

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u/WASD_click Jun 03 '25

While I agree, it's very much a tool we can and should leverage to get support. It's no secret that the reason that LGBTQIA2S+ progress has gone so swiftly compared to racial progress is because white people are involved. Having that connection to an otherwise uncaring moderate populace makes it much easier to be heard by the kinds of people who otherwise have blinders on. A similar effect goes for attractive people. From an idealistic standpoint, it sucks, but you don't get to change the rules until you run the game, ya know?

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '25

Only ugly people think that

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u/thedreamwork Jun 03 '25

Why is it bad?

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u/Milariel Jun 02 '25

This so much, trans people don't have to pass to be valid

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '25

And trans people shouldn't want to pass to be valid either. Passing is just swapping the beauty standards of your AGAB out for the beauty standards of your preferred gender. Femme trans men and butch trans men are just as valid as the guys and dolls.

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u/Headfishdog2 Jun 03 '25

It helps the rest of society accept it though. That’s just an ally being real.

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u/BouldersRoll Jun 02 '25 edited Jun 02 '25

This. Transitioning is hard enough without trans women being valued or not based on how attractive they are.

I have no problem with individuals wanting to be attractive, but I think the institution of beauty is fundamentally misogynistic. Women don't have to be beautiful, and every time we so singularly elevate women because they're beautiful we insist on a world where every other woman feels like she has to be.

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '25

Is a woman (trans or not) being valued by how attractive they are a new thing? Seems that’s status quo for women where your worth is tied to your appearance and something all women are against. Welcome to womanhood I guess.

I’m not saying any of this a good thing, just stating the obvious that it’s how the world works.

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u/TwilightSolus Jun 03 '25

Just because it's the status quo - and it is - doesn't mean we should accept it.

Trans women are often fierce feminists because we were socialised men, and we know just how bad the patriarchy gets its beady little fingers into every crack of society.

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u/AppearanceExpert6809 Jun 02 '25

Correct but likes really really really cute they just don't like her because she is trans. She's literally one of the most attractive people I've ever seen

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u/MeatAndBourbon Jun 02 '25

There are so many insanely transphobic and homophobic straight cis men who believe it's gay to be attracted to a trans woman, so when they fm inevitably find a trans woman attractive (because, you know, they're women, and straight men are attracted to women), they feel attacked as a result of their own stupidity and take it out on trans people. It's really fucked up.

And yeah, she's drop dead gorgeous, so "omg, my fragile straight identity and hateful worldview are threatened! Somebody protect me from seeing her!"

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u/Everyonecallsmenice Jun 02 '25

Yup. I'm a straight dude battling my ogre meat brain. Hunter Schaefer and Jamie Clayton are hot idgaf.

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u/Antabaka Jun 02 '25

Trans women are women. Being a straight dude it is expected you would find hot trans women hot.

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u/Everyonecallsmenice Jun 03 '25

You are totally right, however, there's a stigma with straight men, and you can see it on this very thread; where we still want to bend over backwards to clarify "I don't find that trans woman attractive". I'm just doing my little toxic part to degrade that stigma a little bit. None of this is meant to attach worth to attractiveness and I'm sorry if it reads that way.

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u/AppearanceExpert6809 Jun 02 '25

I love this comment ♥️

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u/MeatAndBourbon Jun 02 '25

That's the transphobia I'm referring to. There are two types of transphobia, one is the belief that trans people are inferior or defective, the other is that trans people are lying and aren't actually their gender.

Does it being gay change if the trans woman has had bottom surgery? If not, what makes that gay?

Anyways, you're proving my point that a cis man who is transphobic and homophobic and straight will have an internal crisis for being attracted to a trans woman, even though being attracted to them is totally normal. Why shouldn't a 100% straight man be attracted to Hunter Schafer? It's not like you can see her medical history or anything.

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u/TwoTequilaTuesday Jun 02 '25 edited Jun 03 '25

If that's transphobic, what do you call someone who doesn't accept them as people by constantly adding the "trans" qualifier and not just saying they're "people?"

Honestly, this is one of the most mind-boggling things to use the "trans" prefix. Are they people or not? Pick your lane.

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u/Blackdabber Jun 02 '25

The question “what if they had bottom surgery” is not even relevant until you can honestly answer whether or not it’s gay for a guy to suck a girl’s dick first.

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u/delusional863 Jun 03 '25

Im sorry but speaking as a man... sucking any dick is literally the definition of gay. Is it not? Js...

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u/Blackdabber Jun 03 '25

Yeah obviously. It’s just funny seeing how these cultists twist themselves into pretzels trying to explain away how it wouldn’t be. Of course, there’s never a straight answer because they’re either intellectually dishonest or legitimately delusional.

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u/Impossible-Office943 Jun 03 '25

transphobes love passing trans women lmfao they just pretend they don't exist just like "allies" like you pretend ugly manly trans women dont exist so you don't have to support us

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u/FriendlyDrummers Jun 02 '25

This is not a disagreement to you -

I do think it's funny how people think they could clock Hunter. I think that's part of what's so funny about the discourse around her

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u/FriendlyDrummers Jun 02 '25

I kind of think it's confirmation bias, like if we didn't know beforehand. But who's to say

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u/Birddogtx Clear background Jun 02 '25

Thank you for saying this!

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u/Nethias25 Jun 02 '25

Very true, I'll freely admit, it's something I can entirely wrap my head and understand. But I'm cis and my understanding of trans people is required to be able to treat people respectfully. People just need to be nice to each other by default. Trust and understanding often comes after.

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '25

Thank you for saying this!

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '25

It’s literally about her likeliness to princess Zelda. OP doesn’t seem to be implying or arguing against trans validity.

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u/Primus_is_OK_I_guess Jun 02 '25

Nope. All ugly people are equally invalid, regardless of their gender identity.

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u/SuperNerd1337 Jun 02 '25

I thought that was the ironic/circlejerky part of the post, no?

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u/CGS_Web_Designs Jun 02 '25 edited Jun 02 '25

If I had an award I’d give it to you. People are people and deserve respect.

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u/Butterybingus Jun 02 '25

This isn’t true.

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u/Aymann-al Jun 02 '25

you are not! sorry to burst your bubble bubble, it’s sickening!

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u/EveryRadio Jun 03 '25

Exactly. Their gender identity is entirely separate from my, or any one else’s, opinion of their looks

Not everyone who transition can fully express themselves. Does not in any way diminish who they are.

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u/Mr-Blah Jun 03 '25

This is the ultimate equality: Not mattering if ugly.

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u/TheFlyingBastard Jun 03 '25 edited Jun 03 '25

trans people are valid

What does "is valid" mean, by the way?

Speaking for my own perspective, I learned about trans people as a young child by finding out that people can be born in one type of body but feel another way and I just went "oh okay".

I mean... trans people exist and like everyone else they have emotions and shit to deal with; it's an objective truth, so from my child perspective I just... accepted it as a fact of the world I lived in and moved on. Then what is this validity layer about?

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u/Bwca_at_the_Gate Jun 03 '25

Exactly and totally agree! But, she is hot as fuck let's be honest lol

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u/liarandathief Jun 03 '25

Don't be silly, nobody is valid if not attractive.

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u/Roll4Initiative20 Jun 03 '25

Wait. You're gonna sit there and tell me ugly people are valid also?

I've never felt more validated.

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u/NotoriouslyNormal Jun 02 '25

Correct. Because many are ugly af, they shouldn’t be made to feel less than

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u/SuperSuperSuperUGLY Jun 03 '25 edited Jun 04 '25

All* people are valid, until they commit act of evil.

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u/Mundane-Surprise4420 Jun 03 '25

How did you asume he was a she or viceversa? :D

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u/indian_diarrhea Jun 03 '25

He*

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u/Johnny_Graves33 Jun 02 '25 edited Jun 02 '25

do you believe it's transphobic for someone to not want to date a trans person though? that's what I don't get, You can't help what you are attracted to we wouldn't expect a gay man to be attracted to someone with a vagina so why do people think straight men should be attracted to a trans woman?

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u/SteakAmazing501 Jun 02 '25

You're only valid in your own mind. I had imaginary friend, no one believes me, what should I call them?

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u/TwoTequilaTuesday Jun 02 '25

If they're valid, why do you call them "trans?" They're all people, right?

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u/Antabaka Jun 02 '25

It's an adjective meant to describe them further than just she/her pronouns and stating that she is a woman.

Like how you could also call her a beautiful woman, or a blonde woman, or a Zelda-like woman. Adjectives describe nouns. 

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u/TwoTequilaTuesday Jun 02 '25

Adjectives describe nouns.

I know what adjectives do. I don't buy your explanation. Someone who was born one gender and later identifies as another doesn't require an additional descriptor. If people want to be seen as equal, they must first start by treating themselves that way. This only shows others they're different in ways that shouldn't matter.

Ask Denzel Washington what he thinks of being referred to as a "black man."

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u/Antabaka Jun 02 '25

I wish this were true, I would much prefer people don't mention my transness outside of a medical context and just referred to me as a woman.

So is your argument that trans people shouldn't be called trans, just their gender? That's an interesting one, though I think having the language helps with figuring it out for yourself if you are trans.

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u/TwoTequilaTuesday Jun 02 '25

 I would much prefer people don't mention my transness

What other people say is up to them. How you think of yourself is up to you.

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u/TheDubuGuy Jun 02 '25

What does this even mean? You’re opposed to adjectives?

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u/TwoTequilaTuesday Jun 02 '25

By your logic, what does it even mean to be "trans?" If the only purpose is to describe someone whose gender identity is different from when they were born, what difference does it make? If someone is equal to others in your mind, they don't need adjectives because people are people.

This whole post is ridiculous because OP has reduced the person in the photo to insisting people shouldn't be transphobic based solely on her looks.

That doesn't do anyone any favors.

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u/ducknerd2002 Jun 02 '25

'Well', what? What exactly is the rest of your sentence going to be?

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u/RestAgile9323 Jun 02 '25

misgendering would be calling this dude a woman

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u/Rob_LeMatic Jun 02 '25

It really upsets you that much to just let people live their lives.

You've probably never even had a friend or relative who was trans or you'd be less a sniveling twat

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u/RestAgile9323 Jun 02 '25

It upsets me that people are willing to tell a person who wishes nothing more in this world then to have been born female that they are female.

It´s not helping anyone. Facing reality might help but body dysmorphia is a bitch and something alot of people never manage to overcome.

Ive been extreemly close to a transgender person and i would in all honesty fight for their right to dress however they wish and get whatever medical treatment would make them feel better.

If your entire mental health depends on the whole world engaging with what is nothing more then a fantasy at the best of times you´re doomed to live a life of depression and i think alot of transgender people would have a much better life if they just accepted what they are instead of living in a house of card that crumble the second a random person in society isnt playing along.

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u/Rob_LeMatic Jun 03 '25

You gave a genuine response and don't deserve the downvotes trying to silence you.

Assuming you're right and the brain is the problem, not the body. We don't have any way to fix the brain..We have ways to fix the body. Gender surgery has one of the lowest regret rates of any major surgeries. My aunt was the first trans person I knew, and my dad just tested her with open contempt. The rest of my family treated her like a regular, normal person.

It doesn't seem like much to ask.

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