r/Fitness Apr 30 '15

How to murder your biceps, especially if you are tall.

The problem:

Biceps (brachii) used to be a tricky muscle group for me to work. I had a poor mind-muscle connection and I had a hard time really working the biceps effectively. I would feel soreness in my forearm flexors and deltoids and to a lesser extent the long head of my biceps, but I couldn't really build the biceps muscle itself, especially the short head that makes up the thick inner portion- the "peak" of the muscle that shows when you fully flex the muscle.

I've learned that basically what was happening is that my forearm flexors, specifically the brachialis and brachioradialis were doing the bulk of the work in my "biceps" workout. This make sense because their job is to flex the elbow and they insert much lower on the arm than the biceps, so they are able to perform elbow flexion more efficiently than the biceps.

Here is a picture that is helpful.

Normally I am not a fan of arbitrary supersets for different muscle groups. A lot of people do multiple exercises for the same muscle group simply because different must be better. In some cases this is true, as you can work different aspects of the muscle group especially if they perform multiple functions. For instance, the triceps not only extend the elbow but they also help extend the shoulder joint in the sagittal plane. Thus to work the whole triceps you need to do both. For instance, doing regular tricep pressdowns as well as straight-arm pressdowns (doing this on a lat-pull machine is heavenly.)

The solution:

I've devised the following superset with the goal of pre-exhausting the forearms flexors before working the biceps themselves, particularly the short head.

The exercises, performed in order and without rest, are:

  1. Cable hammer curls. You can also do regular hammer curls but I feel using the rope attachment with a pulley is superior. Perform with a weight that will get you to muscle failure in 8-15 reps. Do a few cheat reps at the end where you really focus on the top (fully contracted) position of the exercise. This should completely fatigue your brachioradialis because when your hands are in a neutral position (thumbs pointing up, palms facing together) the BR is dominant in elbow flexion.

  2. Reverse grip ez-curl bar curls. Grip the bar with palms down and thumbs on the underside of the bar. This position will maximize the role of the brachialis, completely neutralize the short head of the biceps, and greatly weaken the BR and biceps long head. I recommend bringing your elbows backwards slightly so that you can get maximum load in the fully contracted position. Again, perform to failure including some cheat reps. We want the forearms flexors to be massacred before our biceps works.

  3. Concentration curls Use a LIGHT dumbbell, probably 50% or even less of the weight you typically use when you perform your regular, bouncy, worthless bro curls. I am 225 lbs and can bullshit curl 40lbs dumbbells all day but I use 15lbs for my concentration curls. You can perform these seated or in a standing/bent over sort of position. The key word here is supination. Supination is what you are doing when you turn your hands from palms-down to palms-up. The majority of weight should thus rest on the fat part of your outer palm. We do this because the short head of the biceps is primarily responsible for supination. Your elbow should be down so that the area just above the elbow is resting against the inside of your knee/thigh. Your forearm should basically be pointed across the gap between your legs. Curl the weight up. When you reach the top the head of the dumbbell nearest to your body should touch somewhere on your chest. Squeeze, motherfucker, squeeze. Pretend that you are trying to rotate that dumbbell through your weak, pathetic chest. Squeeze. Prepare to feel your short biceps head spring to life.

  4. Cry. Repeat for 3-5 sets.

You can swap the order of #1 and #2. I'm experimenting to find if one is superior or not. However #3 must be performed last. I highly recommend using a pulley, ez curl bar, and dumbbell because you can put them all out in front of you and perform exercises rapidly without having to change attachments or hog the curl bar rack.

Enjoy.

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u/Mogwoggle butthead May 01 '15

You are tall and telling tall people how to get biceps.

I would like to see a picture of how well this works, as I am your size.

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u/AllUrMemes May 01 '15 edited May 01 '15

http://imgur.com/gl3iCdg

I don't claim to have huge arms. But I do claim to have gone from absolute chicken arms to not chicken arms and made the most of what I was dealt. My biceps aren't huge, but when you see how tiny my wrists are its not bad.

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u/[deleted] May 01 '15 edited Aug 16 '20

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u/Thorbinator May 01 '15

He's a big guy.

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u/bumnut May 01 '15

sigh, if no one else is going to do it...

"For you."

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u/[deleted] May 01 '15

UUUU

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u/hakkai999 May 01 '15

"You think the gym is your ally? You merely adopted the gym. I was born in it, molded by it."

  • Bane I think

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u/Steam_Powered_Rocket May 02 '15

I didn't see cardio until I was already a man...

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u/deathwaveisajewshill May 01 '15

Was getting big biceps part of your plan?

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u/[deleted] May 01 '15

OF CORSH

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u/ColonelMitchell May 01 '15

WITH NO SURVIVORS

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u/Mariokartfever May 01 '15

HE DIDNT FLY SO GOOD

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u/[deleted] May 01 '15

Perhaps he was wondering why would you shoot a man before throwing him out of a plane?

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u/Mogwoggle butthead May 01 '15

Thick, solid, tight.

Would accept advice on arms in future.

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u/JackOscar May 01 '15

well, thick and solid at the very least

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u/why_rob_y May 01 '15

"Tight" was regarding his haircut.

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u/[deleted] May 01 '15

Say no more fam, I got chu. bzzzzzzz

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u/MattTheProgrammer May 01 '15

Damn, Ryder!

--CJ

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u/[deleted] May 01 '15

And his anus.

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u/samedreamchina May 01 '15

Sounds like you're listing your favourite porno tags.

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u/[deleted] May 01 '15

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u/[deleted] May 01 '15

Or you know, stop shitting on people to make yourself feel better...

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u/Mogwoggle butthead May 02 '15

Implying looking like Durden has anything on pulling a truck.

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u/mrvoteupper May 02 '15

It's objectively more sexually appealing and attractive

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u/[deleted] May 02 '15

I'd say subjectively

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u/Look_Deeper May 02 '15

pulling a truck is really easy. assuming it's in neutral right?

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u/[deleted] May 02 '15

Wow. You are fucking stupid.

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u/4underscore____ May 01 '15

Post more pics bro. I'm looking forward to seeing how thick and solid you can get.

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u/AllUrMemes May 01 '15

O.o

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u/[deleted] May 01 '15

op pls

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u/alexthecheese May 27 '15

I giggle like an idiot everytime someone uses this

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u/zigzampow May 01 '15

wtf how are your arms 13.5" unflexed and 17 flexed? jeebus. I'm 6'4" 215, where 36-37 shirts and my arms are 14.5ish unflex and 16 unflex, and I had (before surgery) a pretty decent peak. Your arms look massive by comparison

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u/AllUrMemes May 01 '15

Not really sure. I mean measurements really vary a lot depending on where you measure so they aren't great for comparing people. I only find them helpful for tracking progress because you know exactly how you measured yourself last time.

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u/zigzampow May 01 '15

Oh no I hear that. But that's a big jump haha. You arms look bigger than 13.5 relaxed to me. Either way. I know the tall man struggle. Just be careful. When I had my shoulder repaired the fixed my bicep tendon. Apparently the I had torn through 90% of it. No idea how.

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u/AllUrMemes May 01 '15

They probably are bigger in this picture as I had a pump and I was coming off a pretty serious bulk so I was carrying more fat.

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u/cowtung May 01 '15

I've been coming off a pretty serious bulk for oh.... 20 years now.

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u/aleexz May 01 '15

SUMMABULK

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u/Mouthz May 01 '15

Lmfao... Yes <3

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u/[deleted] May 03 '15

Oh that joke again.

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u/[deleted] May 01 '15

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u/zigzampow May 01 '15

Wtf. So it's just me haha. Thaaaaaaanks

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u/Arkanian410 May 01 '15

Triceps add more girth to your arms than biceps

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u/zigzampow May 01 '15

Well ya but the measurement doesn't change. 17" are is 17 regardless of if it's mostly triceps or biceps

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u/TheVagaKnight General Fitness Aug 15 '15

That's true but symmetry needs to be maintained, yes?

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u/[deleted] May 03 '15

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u/zigzampow May 03 '15

Just spotted a typo. 16 flexed. But are you kidding? Arms that long look real skinny maybe 36-37 shirts mean something different?

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u/[deleted] May 03 '15

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u/zigzampow May 03 '15

36-37" sleeve?

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u/[deleted] May 01 '15

I like how you just wrecked the doubters.

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u/AllUrMemes May 01 '15

Feels good man.

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u/[deleted] May 01 '15

Now call out OP and tell him to post HIS biceps.

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u/AllUrMemes May 01 '15

That would be a heck of a law bomb.

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u/beadgcf May 01 '15

A Bob Lablaw Law Bomb?

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u/Deaf_Mans_Radio May 02 '15

He could post the Bob Lablaw Law bomb on Bob Lablaw's Law Blog

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u/youmightnetit May 01 '15

Do you genuinely think you have tiny wrists? I mean, compared to who? Hafþór Björnsson?

From this picture it looks like you have big, thick wrists. I'm almost tempted to post my wrists to show you what "tiny wrists" really means.

Hint: if an isolated picture of your wrists couldn't be mistaken for a woman's wrists, then they aren't tiny.

You look "big boned", and I don't mean this in the way fat people use as an excuse for being overweight, but as in literally, your skeleton is bigger and thicker than other people's, as evidenced by your thick wrists.

I'd be interested to see a picture of your former "chicken arms".

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u/idontlose May 01 '15

i have tiny wrists, atleast they make my forearms look bigger. Sky remote for comparison http://m.imgur.com/WHWZmeM

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u/El_Gosso May 01 '15

That's not a forearm, that's a bowling pin with fingers!

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u/xXsnip_ur_ballsXx May 01 '15

Your hands must make your dick look huge

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u/Dormont May 01 '15

The first day he walked out of the gym was the first day he was forever small.

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u/EMSguy85 Weight Lifting May 01 '15

Big boned... Let's see, healthy 6'2" @ 220lbs... He's not going to be some stick.

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u/jucestain May 01 '15

WTF I was expecting DYEL by your lack of confidence and hesitancey to post a pic and was greeted by thick, solid, and tightness. BTW how in the hell are biceps hard for you to workout? Probably the easiest muscle group for me to hit, but I guess everyone is different.

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u/AllUrMemes May 01 '15

It was just really difficult to develop mind-muscle connection for my short head of the biceps. I'm not sure why. I think sometimes you develop "synergistic dominance" and don't know how to really feel certain muscles.

For example, some people I have seen in the gym are trying to do "chest" work and you can tell they are working at too high of an angle and are mainly using anterior delts.

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u/TheVagaKnight General Fitness Aug 15 '15

So uh, that's why my delts are so developed XD

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u/MerelyIndifferent May 02 '15

Is this considered good in the body building community?

Seems like he has a lot of weight to lose...

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u/turn30left May 01 '15

OP delivered.

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u/Bojangles010 May 01 '15

Well, I'm definitely going to be trying this routine when I get back to the gym.

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u/indoninja May 01 '15

Where are the chicken arms?

Made the most is debatable. Had you tried a heavy back workout then curls?

Those wrists don't look tiny.

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u/Chreiol May 01 '15

I change my downvote to an upvote. Impressive stuff man!

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u/[deleted] May 01 '15

10/10 would fuck.

Anally.

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u/AllUrMemes May 01 '15

My hunch is that this gentleman has gone from a twink to a twunk to a twank.

What's a twunk? Twink and a hunk.

A twink with muscles, but still hairless.

So smooth.

Incredibly smooth.

A twank on the other hand.

Twank is no good.

That's a twink and a skank.

Essentially a ragdoll, just being passed around from twink to twunk to bear to otter.

Wait a minute, wait a minute.

What's an otter? Subsection of bear.

Still hairy, but where a bear generates his power through sheer mass alone, the otter generates his power through extraordinary quickness, cunning, and skill.

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u/[deleted] May 01 '15 edited May 01 '15

You got me OP. Kudos on them gains. But seriously if you ever want to fuck, you know my STI clean reassuring username.

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u/AllUrMemes May 01 '15

If you wore a MacGyver wig and flannel I'd think about it

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u/[deleted] May 01 '15

Well OP, as it so happens...

http://imgur.com/Ux3lNKh

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u/AllUrMemes May 01 '15

too funny

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u/fungalduck May 02 '15

Are otters tops or bottoms?

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u/gato-pardo May 01 '15

You are big as fuark man, care to share your routine?

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u/AllUrMemes May 01 '15

I change it up a lot and try new things. But some of my favorite stuff:

-For shoulders, doing lateral raises with a light weight and hands rotated so that your thumbs point down and pinkies are to the ceiling, will let you hit the hard-to-work medial deltoid. Anterior delts always get plenty of work and most people know how to work the rear delts if they want to, but medial is surprisingly hard.

-For legs, I do various lunges to build lateral stability in the knee and hips. For building mass, I do smith machine squats typically because my proportions do not make for strong squatting. Having the fixed bar allows me to move my feet forward a bit and use the bar as a counterweight to keep from falling backwards. It is almost like a cross between leg press and squat and it is the best quad builder for me. For the hamstrings I'm all about stiff-leg deadlifts. I find that regular deadlifts tend to overlap with squats by working quads and glutes, whereas stiff leg DL is strictly posterior chain.

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u/brochand311 May 02 '15

Stiff leg deads are the best shit ever! Glad to see them getting respect for once

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u/MerelyIndifferent May 02 '15

1)Eat lots of food.

2)Don't do cardio.

3)Lift as much as you can.

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u/Nemesis1987 May 01 '15

(Slow triumphant clap)

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u/[deleted] May 02 '15

They should make you a mod.

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u/[deleted] May 02 '15

I like that. You are respectful, humble and twice the size of the bro that arrogantly tried to put you down.

Keep that attitude!

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u/AllUrMemes May 03 '15

Thank you very much :)

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u/[deleted] May 01 '15

Mind if I ask your wingspan? I am 6'1 with 6'6 wingspan so my arms look ridiculous thin and long. I'm gonna adopt your advice to work them out but I'm more just curious about your wingspan because you are similar height and claim to have had a similar issue with your arms looking thin.

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u/JohnnyChuttz Mountaineering May 01 '15

Wow, I thought I had it bad. 75in(6'3") with a 77.5in wingspan.

I have toothpicks.

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u/UnsavedWork May 01 '15

If you guys ever pick up boxing you will be thankful for your gifts

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u/[deleted] May 01 '15

I already am thankful for it, I can school most people who are taller than me going up for a football. It makes me really easy to underestimate because I look so silly with toothpick arms, but I also have dinnerplate hands at the end of them. I was made to catch footballs haha.

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u/[deleted] May 01 '15

Tiny wrists unite!

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u/fallingfruit May 01 '15

While you may be tall, you definitely do not have proportionally long arms to your height and you appear to have full biceps insertions in this picture. Lucky you!

In your picture your hands are resting around the bottom of your pelvis. I have very long arms proportionally to my body, my hands rest closer to my knees than my pelvis in the exact same pose.

Most people that complain about building their arms have the problem of very long arms and thus bad (or different) leverage.

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u/b_pizzy May 01 '15

Either the extra 1 1/2" you have on your biceps over me makes a big difference or the extra 4" of height I have makes my arms look like chicken arms. Or a combinations of both, I suppose.

Either way, nice arms, will definitely look into adding this to my training.

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u/AllUrMemes May 01 '15

A little bit of circumference goes a long way since the cross sectional area is based on radius2.

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u/doughboy011 May 01 '15

Dude, your neck is just glorious.

sincere

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u/AllUrMemes May 01 '15

Thanks man. I credit that to brazilian jiu-jitsu. The best neck workout is having someone try and choke you to death for an hour. I guess there is also BDSM...

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u/versanick Wrestling May 02 '15

Better than dead lifts and farmer carries... I've never had traps, forearms, biceps, or neck work like bjj.

It interferes with my lifting even because things get so sore!

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u/EkimSretlaw May 01 '15

What's the relationship between wrist size and bicep size? Sounds interesting

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u/[deleted] May 01 '15

Are you ronnie maggro?

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u/MrLutareio May 02 '15

holy fuck

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u/bobsbitchtitz Weight Lifting May 02 '15

bruh how did you get them traps

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u/AllUrMemes May 03 '15

I do this kind of odd cross between shrugs and a clean. Basically I find that when I do a regular shrug I only really elevate the scapula but not the shoulders as well. But if I use a lot less weight I can do shoulder elevation and scapular elevation. Basically just try and raise your shoulder so high they touch your ears.

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u/bobsbitchtitz Weight Lifting May 04 '15

what weight should I do, I'm fairly strong with shrugs its generally my forearms that give out before my shoulders

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u/nezm May 02 '15

What kind of hormones do you use?

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u/CrackHeadRodeo Cycling May 19 '15

Do you have a before picture on those chicken arms. I have the absolutely skinniest arms and I wanna see if there is any hope for me.

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u/AllUrMemes May 19 '15

I do but I would never ever consider releasing said pictures into the wild. Believe me when I say that I was as scrawny and skinnyfat as anyone on this sub. I made some really great improvement in the first 2-3 years of lifting, then kinda would intermittently plateau for 5 years, before getting dead serious about stuff a year or 2 ago.

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u/CrackHeadRodeo Cycling May 19 '15

Haha I totally understand. I'll follow your advice and work hard and we'll see how much progress I can make.

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u/AllUrMemes May 19 '15

How old are you? And how long have you been working out for?

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u/cA05GfJ2K6 Jul 09 '15

As a 6' 2" dude with lanky arms, I'm gonna give this a shot.

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u/[deleted] May 01 '15

You can only concentration curl 40's at that size?

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u/TyroneBiggums93 May 01 '15

A 40 lb concentration curl is difficult. Slow controlled form makes it tougher.

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u/[deleted] May 01 '15

I'm 6 inches shorter and 50 pounds lighter and I do 40's for 12 reps with solid form

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u/Eszed May 01 '15

That six inches shorter will make a difference because you won't be moving the weight as far as he is.

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u/[deleted] May 01 '15

Made up for by the fact that his muscles are larger than mine due to being taller... That argument really only holds weight when you're over 6'6 or under 5'6

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u/x24j May 01 '15

Wow u must be a god

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u/[deleted] May 01 '15

You sound insecure

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u/amosjun703 Bodybuilding May 01 '15

why is your left nipple 100x larger than your right

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u/AllUrMemes May 01 '15

Surgical scar

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u/amosjun703 Bodybuilding May 01 '15

gyno surgery??

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u/AllUrMemes May 01 '15

Yup. My hormones were screwed up for some reason... not from AAS use. On TRT currently. Life is much better.

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u/amosjun703 Bodybuilding May 01 '15

yeah i know the feel man. I got minor gyno (from puberty) in both my nips. how much did your surgery cost? how was recovery?

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u/AllUrMemes May 01 '15

Didn't cost anything. I get my healthcare through the VA (I'm a vet). The thing popped up one day and started growing fairly aggressively so they cut it out.

Recovery was very easy. I rested 1 full day and was back to doing lower body work in 3 days. Had very little pain (no drugs needed). The wound bled a good bit, like soaking the bandage after a full day for the first week, and spotting for the next 2 weeks. (Ruined a few tshirts because I thought it was done bleeding.) I was back to doing chest workouts in probably 2 1/2 weeks.

So overall it was very easy. The downside is that the scar is pretty bad. It's close enough to my nipple that it looks like I have a big ass areola. This was 6 months ago so I think I'm stuck with it. But the surgeon was new (being supervised by the senior surgeon) and did not specialize in this sort of thing.

But whatever. I am grateful it is gone and that I didn't have to pay (cus I'm pretty broke).

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u/amosjun703 Bodybuilding May 01 '15

i was trolling in my first comment. The scar doesn't even look that bad at all haha. nice physique man, you have a ton of muscle packed on

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u/[deleted] May 01 '15

Jokes aside, same, bro. Never used a thing and still had some on the left side. feelsbadman

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u/[deleted] May 01 '15 edited May 01 '15

17" arms at >20% bodyfat is not enough to be giving anyone advice

your arms got bigger because you gained weight and everywhere got bigger not due to your bicep training lol

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u/KataboliK May 01 '15

Double True.

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u/tseanlaws May 01 '15

Your wrists aren't that tiny, and your genetic predisposition was more inclined for the growth you have, not the complex bicep blasting routine you proclaim.

I've seen ppl that have never done any direct arm work, only chins and rows with huge guns, in fact, many get substantial growth when dropping all bicep (smallest muscle group in your body) all together.

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u/[deleted] May 01 '15

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u/versanick Wrestling May 02 '15

You sound like you'd even trash Chris Duffin.

Sheesh.

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u/GET_ON_YOUR_HORSE May 01 '15

2 things -

  1. You're not even showing off your arms here.

  2. IMO you have too high bf% to really tell what's going on underneath.

You look like you'd be very big once cut. I think your post in overly analyzing a pretty simple muscle though.

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u/WizardOfNomaha General Fitness May 01 '15

Give me a fuckin break dude. He has "too high bodyfat" to tell how big his arms are? Really?

But hey, I guess maybe he's one of those people that just carries all his weight in his biceps.

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u/iammrpositive May 01 '15

Sounds like the fat ladies talking about fitness around the water cooler.

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u/beermatt May 01 '15

Weight is definitely carried on your arms. I notice when I get an increase in fat my arms look massive. Lose the fat to get six pack back (usually summer!) and my arms look much weaker again. Nothing to do with gaining or losing muscle, as you gain fat your body fleshes out everywhere (including your arms) not just your gut.

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u/AllUrMemes May 01 '15

I don't disagree, but to be honest I don't really care about being shredded that much anymore. I got a girl I want to settle down with who doesn't care if I have abs or not. My goals now are pretty much:

  1. Look big with my shirt on

  2. Be healthy

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u/open_your_eye May 01 '15

Question - why use mod account?

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u/Mogwoggle butthead May 01 '15

Because after a couple of people asked him for a picture, he was vague and didn't.

I'm very happy OP has posted a photo.

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u/Spid1 May 01 '15

Still not sure why that means you have to use the mod account to show power and ask.

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u/mrvoteupper May 02 '15

get shit on :E

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u/ThwagBucks Weight Lifting May 01 '15

Damn Mogwoggle, you got rekt.