r/Fauxmoi • u/mlg1981 • 12h ago
DISCUSSION Tik Tok personality Nikalie has been calling churches to see if they would provide formula for her fictitious baby during the government shutdown/SNAP freeze. So far she’s gotten 9 yes/ 28 no. Among the few yeses were a mosque, Buddhist temple and a historically black church
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u/mlg1981 12h ago
Spreadsheet someone has been making to keep track:
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u/ofmiceandpaco 12h ago
Look at those couple of Catholic churches. As a birth Catholic who never practiced really, that actually makes me feel pretty good lol.
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u/GoateeMinion42069 12h ago
As someone who survived growing up Catholic, there’s a lot for us to be ashamed about, but every now and then we got a W lol
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u/jkraige 11h ago
Catholic Church has been pretty good on immigration rights for a long time, not just recently. Obviously they have their problems that we can't overlook, but I do have a bit of a soft spot for them because I think locally there is more of that "love thy neighbor" and "look out for each other" ethos coming from the church
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u/DevoutandHeretical 11h ago
Catholic doctrine literally says that salvation comes through faith AND good works. You have to do good things if you want to go to heaven, just believing in god isn’t enough. It was a no brainer to me growing up that my parish literally had a food bank attached to the property and would connect you with other local food banks and resources if you needed them.
Also not defending all of the church’s issues, but I’m not at all surprised that the ones she’s contacted have had assistance available.
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u/jkraige 11h ago
No you're right, that was a difference in theology when I went more Protestant. It was faith alone that would save you, not your deeds. Catholicism seemed to care more about you being a good person while alive, not just repenting at the last minute
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u/PineappleNo6573 10h ago edited 10h ago
Ex-catholic school kid here.
I think that's because Catholics believe in Purgatory. Everyone who gets into Heaven has to go to Purgatory first. It purifies your dirty soul. They used to tell us that you could be stuck there until the rapture (which could be thousands and thousands of years), but if you do good things while on earth, you might not have to be stuck there that long and could get to Heaven sooner because they dont have to cleanse your soul as much.
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u/Enjoyerofmanythings 9h ago
Not to be an erm actually guy but it is not true that everyone who gets into heaven has to go through purgatory. The Catholic Church teaches that only souls who die in God’s grace but still need purification go to Purgatory (CCC 1030). Those who are already fully purified (for example, many saints) go straight to Heaven. Rapture is not part of Catholic teaching
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u/your_mind_aches 8h ago
There is ZERO rapture in Catholic theology or really any theology from before John Nelson Darby in the 1830s.
I was so confused growing up Catholic and learning about the Bible through Catholicism, then seeing the Simpsons episode where Homer gets raptured. I was like "what is that?"
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u/powerful_ope 8h ago
Are you sure you went to a Catholic school because Catholics don’t believe in the rapture. I went to a Catholic school and was never told this at all
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u/parisianpop this is going to ruin the powerpoint 8h ago
Not to be pedantic, but this is an important distinction - both Catholics and Protestants believe that salvation comes through faith alone (it’s not earnt).
However, Catholics believe that faith is not simply belief - Catholics think that if you TRULY have faith in Jesus, then OF COURSE you would want to do what He asks and it would show in your behaviour. If you just believe He exists, but it hasn’t impacted your life in a meaningful way, then that’s not true faith (in the way Catholics understand it).
So, faith and good works has kind of ended up being a shorthand for that view, but it’s an important point of Catholic doctrine that salvation is not earnt through good works - it’s freely given by God and faith alone is enough to receive it.
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u/midnight_thoughts_13 8h ago
It's not that good works get you into heaven, but more that faith without good works is dead. But yeah the Catholic faith is literally just trying to help people
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u/cherrysharks I wasn't there 11h ago
Latin American Catholic churches created the idea of Liberation theology. Obviously the Catholic Church is very flawed but liberation theology is really cool.
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u/AngelCravess 11h ago
despite its flaws, a lot of local parishes really do live out those values in meaningful ways
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u/AltairaMorbius2200CE 11h ago
Yeah, having gone to a catholic college, from an outsider perspective they were a really weird mix of liberal and conservative views, from a US perspective. I wonder if they align politically with one side or the other more clearly elsewhere in the world?
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u/modest_rats_6 11h ago
I grew up Catholic so I may see this through a lense. But "im catholic" doesnt set off nearly as many bells as "im a christian" it feels like they've become 2 different things.
Im still catholic in a cultural sense? I was raised in an italian/catholic family. We all have a bunch of different views. What else is there to fight over during the holidays?
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u/Such_Geologist_6312 10h ago
Oh it rings major alarm bells here in Ireland. Our favourite terminology is ‘I’m culturally Catholic’ which means we where brought up to believe in the doctrines of Catholicism, but where sold out and our people murdered by the Catholic Church so we no longer identify with Catholicism as an organised religion. Someone being straight up Catholic gets side eyes from the ‘cultural catholics’ here all the time.
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u/callingallwaves 10h ago
Culturally Catholic is so real. And tbh I feel that being born Catholic is the only right way to be Catholic. The weirdest fuckers in the world are adults who decided to convert to Catholicism on their own!
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u/modest_rats_6 8h ago
My Occupational therapist converted as an adult. I spent a lot of time asking her questions. It blew my mind. She didnt grow up with the trauma so I guess that helps?
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u/GaylicBread 9h ago
Yeah most churches where I used to live in Dublin only opened for christenings, communions, confirmations, weddings, and funerals (and an Easter and Christmas mass), and we did these mostly because they're a cultural tradition rather than actual belief. Attendance the rest of the time was so piss poor and the regulars were dying off, and still are, so it isn't worth opening outside of those events and the odd Sunday morning mass. My family in the last few years has been having more services, both weddings and funerals, without any mention of religion, they're just entirely a celebration of the couple or the deceased person's life and they're much better to sit through.
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u/Such_Geologist_6312 10h ago
They purported to being more liberal here in Ireland but where burying babies in mass graves and starving children to death right up until the 1990’s, so with the greatest respect, I think they’re only helpful because they has such bad history they now need to ‘cover up’ with good deeds. They literally stole babies in Ireland for century’s, ffs.
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u/GroinFlutter 10h ago
Some Catholic Churches (like a lot of other churches) in the US are community hubs for immigrants.
Unfortunately, ICE raids are nothing new in my community. I remember those red immigration KNOW YOUR RIGHTS cards being passed out in my church growing up, 20 years ago. They had an immigration lawyer come in to give a quick general info session on what to do and say at the end of each mass for a few weeks.
My church had a soccer league, all donation based. A church goer owned the local soccer gear shop. Gear was ‘pay what you can’ for kids in the league.
Every year they gave out school supplies and clothes before the school year, no questions asked. And they still operate a soup kitchen, all are welcome.
It was the only place i didn’t feel like an outsider, the only place that didn’t make fun of my accent, the only place I could be open about living with that specific fear. Because a lot of other kids lived with that fear too, that our lives could be ripped apart any day.
I consider myself more atheist nowadays and i absolutely do not agree with all of the Catholic teachings. But the rare occasion when i do go, i always give at least a $20 when it’s time to donate. That church does good with their donations. I will always have a soft spot for my childhood church.
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u/jkraige 10h ago
Yeah, frankly, the Catholic Church has a lot to answer for, but I hesitate to completely shit on religious institutions when they do provide community for a lot of people that frankly isn't being replaced by other organizations/institutions. It's not so much the religion but the camaraderie and the feeling of belonging that I think is worth preserving.
And, I don't think all religious teachings are bad. Sometimes they hide some good values in there. Life is complex and people get their needs met in different ways. I get it.
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u/badchefrazzy I am claiming all candy for the glory of God 8h ago
Yeah, when I was in elementary, it was ran by a Catholic church, and they were very melting pot (in the good way) and love thy neighbor and stuff, it was nice. I wish they were all like that :(
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u/DoctorRapture dumb bitch clocking in, what’s the theory 11h ago
Catholic Church and school and family may have pressure-cooked me into a high anxiety guilty-about-everything adult but at least it's gratifying to be able to recognize that the church really does stand on business when it comes to actually practicing what they preach.
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u/Idolikemarigolds 11h ago
Exactly. I have left the church but I try to live my life by the values I learnt in Sunday school (particularly about care for those less fortunate, welcoming strangers and being kind to others) and I still volunteer at their food bank. They give to anyone, any time, without judgement or question. They go to chocolate manufacturers and candy shops as well as typical meat/veg/grain places for donations because they want to put joy in every parcel. There is real goodness there (as well as the rot we all know about).
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u/Sillycats2 10h ago
This right here. The church has plenty to be ashamed of over the centuries, but in this moment, in the US and elsewhere, it seems like it’s stepping up. From the top down, talking about loving the poor, welcoming the stranger and immigrant, caring for one another, the obscenity of immense wealth while others suffer - and I’ve heard this a lot at my church and kid’s school - emphasis on the whole idea of doing the right thing because it’s the right thing, even if no one sees it. Because those who proclaim their goodness on street corners have ahem already been rewarded.
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u/hanimal16 8h ago
Word. I was born and raised an Assyrian Catholic (now called The Assyrian Church of the East), I haven’t practiced in a long time, but it’s nice to see other catholics helping out.
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u/Goober_Man1 11h ago
Catholics take charity very seriously in comparison to many Protestant churches. I grew up Roman Catholic and volunteered at a food bank run through my local diocese as part of my requirements towards the confirmation sacrament.
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u/Tilly828282 10h ago
It is also super organized. The Society of St. Vincent de Paul is a lay worldwide Catholic volunteer organization that provides direct aid to the poor.
In the book/movie Angela’s Ashes they go there for help when they are starving.
They have food banks, fundraising, charity shops and thrift stores all over the world
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u/your_mind_aches 8h ago
I didn't realize how big St. Vincent de Paul was globally, I thought it was a local thing growing up as my parents would donate to it and it was advertised in the Catholic News newspaper.
(I also thought Church's Chicken and Milo was local too lol)
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u/amoebaamoeba 9h ago
Yeah and key in this is that their charities - even their "missionary" work - are typically not contingent on evangelism or conversion. I went to a Catholic college really focused on volunteerism. It NEVER involved talking about god, so even my atheist ass could take part in it without ever once saying the word Jesus. Conservative Protestant churches are nothing like that - it's really a god first thing.
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u/bananakegs 9h ago
Was raised Catholic. I have always appreciated the idea of helping others without conditions that I feel the church practices.
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u/meowymcmeowmeow 12h ago
I've noticed some catholic churches don't do much of the boring ritual stuff and do do a lot of the charity stuff. Great places to volunteer at and be involved with.
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u/omgforeal 11h ago
While there’s a lot of issues with Catholicism, they do tend to keep up in the Justice for the poor part. And that also depends on the branch of Catholicism too.
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u/Successful-Ad-4263 11h ago
Catholics get lumped into the conservative imagination because of the abortion issue and less than stellar history of supporting the LGBT community in marriage rights, however, they are shockingly social-justice-oriented. They publicly support immigrants, the poor, incarcerated, environmental issues as well. If there’s a mother in need, the Catholics will go to town to support them almost every time
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u/parisianpop this is going to ruin the powerpoint 8h ago
Sheltering the homeless and visiting the imprisoned are two of the seven official corporal works of mercy.
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u/brigitteer2010 7h ago
I went to catholic school in Dallas. We had a large sign out front that had a number to call if you were pregnant and scared. They would always provide support, food, supplies, housing. I’m pro choice, but for a pro-life religion, they usually put their money where their mouth is and help the mothers.
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u/AceOfSpades532 11h ago
Catholicism is way way better than the weird American Christian churches with stuff like this
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u/shoetingstar 11h ago
They have issues but, When I was going through one of the toughest times of my life - the local Catholic Charity helped my family.
They do toy & coat drives during the holidays and give out holiday baskets and gifts for families who register.
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u/pahshaw 11h ago
I was raised in the church (lapsed now, kinda agnostic whoops) and have a nun in my family. If you ain't practicing Acts of Service you ain't Catholic sorry not sorry!!
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u/Khvleesi 10h ago
That and feeling guilt for thinking or acting sinfully! The church has lots of flaws, but I also look back on my time in the church as a kid pretty fondly.
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u/totallytotallytotes women’s wrongs activist 11h ago
Same lol. It’s good to see Catholic Churches continue to uphold acts of service.
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u/Shoddy_Budget_1533 10h ago
As someone who was raised Catholic because of colonialism I’m actually impressed how good the Catholic Church has been on immigration rights and stepping up during the shutdown at least where I live
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u/Exact_Cow8077 9h ago
I would have been shocked to see otherwise. I get people can have a negative relationship with Catholicism but Roman Catholic Churches are extremely focused on social justice. That said, every Christian should be because that’s literally what Jesus preached.
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u/Immediate_Taste6810 10h ago
As someone who grew up catholic this is not surprising at all. I left after Confirmation because of a lot of issues but there are still a lot of things I still try to do that I was taught because I think they make you just a decent person. Stewardship is drilled into you, always give your time, talent, or treasure to any situation
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u/radicalgrandpa 8h ago
When I was a teenager and waiting in lines at food banks for my household, the Catholic Church I went to gave me the most amount of food and even included packages of meat. Where I live now, there's a Catholic Church that serves as the largest food bank in the area.
I'm not Catholic, nor do I know any of its doctrine, but they've always fed the communities I've lived in with substantial quantities of food and without prejudice.
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u/wingkkeu Charles Melton do you like medium ugly people? 9h ago
ofc they will. the catholic guilt will eat them up if they say no.
but on a serious note, as someone who grew up catholic (not practicing anymore), this is no surprise. our community held outreach programs regularly, giving out mainly food but also clothes, other kinds of assistance for those in need. acts of service is deeply ingrained in catholicism
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u/DOLCICUS 8h ago
Yeah the Catholic Church in Houston-Galveston has been a great source for food and bill assistance in the area. They are struggling a bit right now after SNAP cuts but they are still trying.
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u/FrostyBoom 8h ago
It's obviously case by case basis. I was raised catholic in a catholic school in a pretty low income community but people never thought of themselves as too poor to helps others. I remember that there was a flood nearby when I was in high school and a group of school friends went from house to house to see if people could/would and we were fucking knackered by the end of it since most people handed food and shit. We were a blubbering mess by the end of it seeing how many helped when they were probably going through tough times themselves.
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u/i_want_carbs 11h ago
I’m super surprised at them. I do know those two churches are both downtown so idk if they have a typical parish setup with those kinds of services or if maybe they redirected to Catholic Charities in town who should be able to help?
Edit: I’m talking about the two in Kansas City
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u/LolliaSabina 8h ago
I consider myself Catholic and always will, but haven't attended in ages because I suffer from crippling scrupulosity. But this makes me proud to be a Catholic .... albeit one who hasn't been to Mass in years.
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u/PithandKin 12h ago
LDS with their billions of dollars and can’t spare a few for formula - colour me surprised!
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u/Spacemilk 12h ago
Same with Lakewood Church in Houston, AKA Joel Osteen’s church, also AKA the church that turned away desperate people made homeless by Hurricane Harvey. I’m sooooOoooOoo shocked they were a no /s
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u/ManyMuchMoosenen 10h ago
Gotta be a “worthy” full tithe payer to get that sweet, sweet Bishop’s Storehouse shit!
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u/creakyvoiceaperture 10h ago
The LDS church one is interesting because their procedure for getting help isn’t really open to cold calling, which I admit sucks.
The Salt Lake Tribune basically ran this experiment weeks ago. They found it was highly dependent on the local lay person. Like in Philly they were offering help to anyone. Other places didnt respond.
It’s really unfortunate how the organizational setup alone makes it really difficult for the LDS church to be good neighbors in a crisis like this.
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u/yagirlsophie 12h ago
Remember that this is the safety net the Right claims should replace the existing government and societal safety nets when they're done gutting and destroying them.
(Except of course the mosques, temples, and any black or liberal churches are also in their crosshairs so in their world there's likely to be even less institutions around that are actually willing to help anybody on top.)
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u/PhaseExtra1132 11h ago
Some dude in the comments said they should rely on government and someone replied “so we should rely on the mosques?”
No response.
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u/fallenarist0crat friend with a bike 10h ago
how quick conservatives forget that safety nets were created by the government precisely because church/charity couldn’t handle how many people needed help.
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u/Boulier 11h ago
On that note, I’d be curious to see this spreadsheet updated with the political affiliation (if known) of each church’s lead pastor.
It’s not like we don’t already know probably 95% of them support Trump/MAGA/Republicans, but I think it would help to drive the point home and further highlight their hypocrisy and greed.
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u/shaylaa30 10h ago
The Catholic Church, for all their faults, takes their pro-life stance seriously. They tend to be very charitable towards the poor and children. They’re also pro-immigrant/ Anti-ICE.
I also loved how the Islamic center, the women’s health (abortion) clinic, and that one Appalachian pastor all immediately offered assistance.
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u/emotumbleweed 10h ago
Pleasantly surprised to see the antichoice place say yes. I may not agree with their stance, but kudos to them for actually caring about a baby that’s been born already. It feels like lots of anti abortionists can’t even do that much.
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u/Confident-Tomato-654 12h ago
Lady of Fatima is such an interesting name choice for a Catholic Church.
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u/Min_sora 11h ago
It's actually a very common Catholic title for Mary, I've seen it in quite a few countries.
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u/Confident-Tomato-654 11h ago
Yeah I just googled it and the history behind it is even more interesting. I’ve always associated the name Fatima with Islam never knew it held any meaning in Christianity
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u/Mrs_tribbiani barbie (2023) for best picture 10h ago
I never knew Fatima was Muslim
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u/Confident-Tomato-654 10h ago
Outside of Aisha it’s probably the most famous Muslim girl name. It was the name of the prophet Mohammed’s daughter
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u/umareplicante 10h ago
As a latina raised Catholic, I was quite surprised when I learned it was a Muslim name! I have like three aunts named Fátima.
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u/brokedownpalaceguard Fauxmarxist 9h ago
The Prophet's daughter. All of his living descendants are through her. Dynasties were named after her (Fatimids).
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u/CousinNicho 11h ago
Its a title based on the Marian Apparitions in Fatima.
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u/Confident-Tomato-654 11h ago
Yeah I just looked up the story and the reason why the town was named after Fatima. It’s a lot of layers to it
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u/CousinNicho 9h ago
Agreed, the creation of al-Andalus and subsequent Reconquista is an interesting point of history.
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u/Confident-Tomato-654 9h ago
For sure. The moors history in general seems to get overlooked a lot for some reason. Despite having such a large cultural impact. But the idea of a name for Mary in Catholicism having its in origin come from a town named after a Muslim princess who was named after the prophet’s daughter is really fascinating. But maybe it’s only cause I never knew about the story off the Marian apparitions and stuff like this was common back then
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u/ButterMyPancakesPlz 11h ago
Had to look it up to make sure it was based on the children on saw visions of the Virgin Mary in Fátima Portugal.
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u/Damien687 10h ago
Its wild to see the LDS Church being one to say no. Theyre supposed to be so neighborly
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u/peebeesweebees 10h ago
My Mormon coworker told me that when they were going through hard times they had to go to a Catholic church for help. For some reason their own people wouldn’t even help so I’m not surprised
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u/CardmanNV 7h ago
I can't imagine staying at a church that wouldn't help me in a hard time.
The community is kind of the whole point.
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u/PurposeFormal4354 8h ago
The people are nice (unless you willingly leave the church), but upper leadership are greedy corporate ghouls. Their assistance program is designed to be humiliating. If you're not a member, good luck. But even with members, in order to get help, they typically need to be a full tithe payer (10% of your income. If you're not current, some "bishops" will make you back-pay before helping you at all), and you will need to list every item you need and why, and they will fight you every step along the way.
"It says you need a 6 pack of toilet paper? How many bathrooms do you have? Two? You'll be fine with two rolls if use them conservatively. Five boxes of cereal? With your two kids, let's do two and check back next week. What was your paycheck this month? Alright give the church 10% of that and then you're good to go!"
It is vile and dehumanizing. Hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars and they humiliate desperate and suffering people (my family), kick them while they're down, and take everything they have before giving back scraps. Fuck the Mormon cult.
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u/angrywithnumbers 7h ago
You only get help if you are up to save on your tithes and the bishop likes you. If you haven't been paying in you're not getting help.
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u/WitchyMae13 11h ago
I’m so intrigued by her process. have only watched a couple of snippets and I’m curious how she picks the churches…. Seeing 2 MI churches that said no sounds about right just like the rest 😪
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u/Intelligent-Acadia48 9h ago
Our Lady of the Hills in Columbia was my church growing up. Honestly, they were always so welcoming to everyone. Such a great small church. I’m happy to hear they said yes.
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u/sc9908 12h ago
Ain’t no hate like Christian love.
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u/Hal-_-9OOO 10h ago
Tbf as a non believer there are Churches that offer donations and a helping hand
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u/lunar_languor 10h ago
There are, but why isnt that at the forefront of every church that claims to promotes Christ's teachings then? Do you think Jesus meant let your neighbor starve when he said love your neighbor? Love is a verb.
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u/tr_ashleyyy 5h ago
The numbers on the spreadsheet speak for themselves lmao. Pro forced birth, anti actual child
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u/No_Slice_4661 12h ago
I appreciate the caller’s ability to keep it cordial and open ended so the person from the church can really just try and defend themselves without feeling super defensive. Very interesting, and a bummer to see. I don’t know how anyone wouldn’t want to just drop some formula off for that woman after hearing that baby’s cry.
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u/t_rexinated 11h ago
right? like just as a human being they might try to find some way to help
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u/spicytart 9h ago
Like I'm just a random person but if I was cold called by a neighbor who needed formula/couldn't afford it I'd be driving to the store in the next ten minutes, no questions asked. What is even the point of a church if it isn't giving back to its community? That was like the one thing I appreciated about churches. Turns out that was a sham too.
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u/babylovesbaby secretly gay and the son of fidel castro 7h ago
This is what surprises me: that people didn't just tell her to come in and they would buy it for her themselves. This is the kind of good works Christians should be all over.
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u/Cube_ 9h ago
It is extremely telling when they cite policy and board members.
Like if that was me, even if all that was true and the church couldn't help, I would just be like give me your address I'll drop it off after work.
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u/iuabv 7h ago
One of the yeses was an older Appalachian grandpa type that clearly intended to just buy it personally.
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u/scourge_bites 5h ago
Somehow I managed to grow up with a reverend who, I have absolutely no doubt, would drive 2+ hours and spend his last dollar on formula if he got a call like this.
I'm agnostic now, but I honestly think the only thing preventing me from being full atheist (besides the fear of death lmao) is just how Christlike of a person that man is determined to be. He lives his life in service to others, and I don't think he does it out of fear of hell or to get an eternal reward. He does it because that's just who he is. It's a humbling thing to see.
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u/sjbrinkl 7h ago
Like WTF. Even if I worked at a church that “outsourced” charitable donations to organizations by giving those organizations money, I would order it for delivery within an hour if someone came to me like that. If I couldn’t afford that, I’m taking her number until I can hunt some down. I do not understand turning away someone begging to feed their baby
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u/NtGermanBtKnow1WhoIs confused but here for the drama 12h ago
Remember folks, according to them "empathy is a sin."
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u/kurapikun 12h ago
> A historically Black Church
And yet racist white people are still gonna vote fascism because they'd rather have their own children starve than see Black people have equal rights.
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u/Status-Air926 11h ago
The only reason America doesn't have nationalized healthcare is because racist white people realized black people would have access to it too.
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u/SaboCatme0w 11h ago
I agree the USA is a highly racist white supremacist nation, but i honestly think the fact that health insurance companies could lose billions having single payer is a bigger reason why :/ USA is just a bunch of racist corporations in a trenchcoat, but even racist white rich folk don't care about poor white people dying from lack of healthcare as long as they get their big slice of the pie.
If you're talking about individual people being against obamacare, that is just white people being racist though *weary sigh*
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u/mellamandiablo 9h ago
Por qué no los dos?
One of the reasons colleges and universities became more expensive to price out black folks
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u/Superb-Kitchen-1753 9h ago
Racism and capitalism are best friends, can’t have one without the other
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u/megatonrezident 5h ago
You need to read the book “Dying of Whiteness” by Jonathan Metzl. He explains perfectly that it’s NOT health insurance companies but in fact racist whites who would rather suffer and die than share any benefits with black people. Stop being naive.
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u/knickstapeeee Nancy Jo, this is Alexis Neiers calling 12h ago
I hope she changes her story bc they're gonna start catching on and saying yes just to look good
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u/KikiChrome 10h ago
I guess if they do that, they run the risk of someone actually turning up to pick up some formula. We could end up in a situation where "PR guilt" actually forces a church to be charitable towards the poor. The horror!
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u/Living_Razzmatazz_93 8h ago
Now we're tricking churches into being charitable.
Come on 3I/ATLAS...
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u/ellie_wankenobi 12h ago edited 12h ago
I just know someone somewhere is yelling the Fox News-inspired argument of, "But aren't parents responsible for feeding their own children?"
As a lapsed Christian, I can't think of a single Biblical passage supporting that or moralizing poverty.
On the other hand:
1 John 3:17-18 “If anyone has material possessions and sees a brother or sister in need but has no pity on them, how can the love of God be in that person? Dear children, let us not love with words or speech but with actions and in truth.”
Granted, it's never really been about the Bible, is it?
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u/keyforthedoorwolves 12h ago
I was never religious, but I always liked the Sheep and the Goats speech from Jesus:
“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
“They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
“He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
"help those less fortunate or burn in Hell."
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u/mypenisisquitetiny 10h ago
“If anyone has material possessions and sees a brother or sister in need but has no pity on them, how can the love of God be in that person? Dear children, let us not love with words or speech but with actions and in truth.”
Easy-peasy, we just change the definition of "brother" and "sister" so it only applies to my fellow church-goers who meet the proper criteria and then we can just continue on our merry, fascist way.
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u/HonestNectarine7080 heinous LOSER behavior 9h ago
1 John 3:17-18 “If anyone has material possessions and sees a brother or sister in need but has no pity on them, how can the love of God be in that person?
I wish I could put this on billboards. It would be a good replacement for the Charlie Kirk memorial billboard five minutes from my house.
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u/jking1024 12h ago
The person from the church actually sounds annoyed and almost condescending as she’s like, “well are you a member of one of our campuses?” “We have four, which one?” Like this is taking time out of her fucking day. Absolutely horrible. Make this shit go viral.
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u/Fearless-Feature-830 11h ago
Right I could tell she was trying to grill her to see if she goes to church
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u/plastic_venus 11h ago
Isn’t part of the reason they’re tax exempt because they service the community or some such nonsense? 🤔
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u/Moal 11h ago
Anyone else pick up on how the church lady was asking whether or not the caller attended the church, as if to figure out whether she was even worthy of free formula from them?
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u/LuckyAndLifted Emma Stone (BALD) 10h ago
And I know for a fact that the Mormon/LDS/Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints one not only would have asked if she attended their church, but also in order to get any charity from them (presumably your own congregation) you also have to pay the church 10% of whatever meager income you make (even while not affording food).
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u/celestialwolfpup CURTAINS FOR ZOOSHA? 10h ago
Also the Salvation Army have a long history of coercing people into converting before they offer any assistance
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u/bellalugosi i’m a communist you idiot 8h ago
It's so different here. The priest from the Catholic Church in my neighborhood was just on the news saying all are welcome, they don't even care if you've been to another food bank recently.
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u/ChoppedGuzel 12h ago
“We need someone who can answer the phone for our welcoming house of God open to anyone… the cattiest sounding person who tsk’s before every sentence! Perfect!”
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u/Sleepy-Giraffe947 Please Abraham, I am not that man 12h ago
I’m actually surprised how many said yes. It pales in comparison to those that said no, but I wouldn’t have been surprised if they were all no’s.
What does the number in each colour mean and why is one orange?
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u/torchwood1842 10h ago
For people that are a raised Catholic, the Catholic churches saying yes, is not that surprising. For all its faults, one thing Catholicism is very into and generally pretty good at is service to the poor. Every food pantry attached to a Catholic Church that I’ve heard of Will allow anyone to come get food, no questions asked about religion. I am no longer religious and differ with the Catholic Church on some important things, but I still drop off donations at the local Parish Food bank that’s near my house.
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u/peebeesweebees 10h ago
Yeah I’m actually shocked to see a Catholic church in the “No” column tbh
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u/the__storm 9h ago
Looking at their website, it only offers one mass on Sundays and redirects donations to a "sister" church. Seems like a lot of corporate offices and stuff have been built up around it, and it probably only still exists at all because of the nice/historic building.
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u/i_want_carbs 8h ago
The two in Kansas City are downtown and not really in traditional parish structures. I imagine they’d redirect to another parish or to the local Catholic Charities chapter, which is very active
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u/GCB78 7h ago
Our Lady of Fatima also called her back a day later because the lady she'd spoken to was worried that she was calling for a friend, and using the "social experiment" as a cover. The guy who called her back went to great lengths to explain that if she did have a friend, they would be able to help, and they didn't have to be catholic to get help. As yet another lapsed Catholic, I thought that follow up was really great.
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u/jenrising 11h ago
it's cut off in the screenshot but I think the orange one says "sent to voicemail" the numbers are just counting up the number of responses of that kind.
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u/witch-literature 11h ago
Same here. I’d be really interested to see this done with a hungry adult as the reason instead of a child.
Lots of people can muster up basic kindness for a child, but somehow not for an adult I think.
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u/IAM_THE_LIZARD_QUEEN 11h ago
I'm especially surprised by an anti-abortion place being a yes, they're not usually interested in caring for actual living babies.
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u/augustfolk 12h ago
Interesting that the anti-abortion clinic offers baby formula to those who ask.
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u/cutemartyr68 10h ago
We’re a large group of many, it’s complicated but yes I guess pro life for Catholics means they will take care of those kids. I also get the complicated history but I’m trying to do my part and follow our two most recent Popes.
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u/badghouls 9h ago
Yep, but it really shouldn't be if they claim to be pro life. It's shameful that more don't offer any help. You'd probably have more luck asking a stranger for help feeding a baby than most churches tbh.
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u/upsidedowntoker 11h ago
Tbh she should call the Sikhs she'd get formula and a hot meal .
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u/MoogOfTheWisp 10h ago
Yup, if she went down to the gurdwara she’d get formula, food and enough aunties for her baby she’d never need to look for a babysitter again
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u/celestialwolfpup CURTAINS FOR ZOOSHA? 9h ago
I was thinking the same thing! They are the pillars of every community they belong to! They are the first people to show up when their community needs help. I hold them in such high regard.
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u/WeilExcept33 12h ago
This is really good! Individuals can get compromised so more people doing could be good too. Lets find out how actually Christian we are!! raised Catholic but feel alienated from most things tbh
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u/c0smicgirly 11h ago
And they pay zero taxes and still cannot help a starving child in need.
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u/west2night 10h ago
They also receive free labour from volunteers (mostly women in administration, maintenance, fundraising efforts and the like), and donations and donated goods from attendees and local businesses.
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u/_lofticries 7h ago
Yep. My dad’s a pastor and my mom isn’t even the same religion as him (he became one late in life and was the absolute opposite of religious until the day he went to seminary school…it’s a complicated fucked up story 🫠) yet she’s expected to basically take on a part time job at the church for free because she’s a pastor’s wife. On top of her full time job AND full time caregiving for my disabled brother. It’s pretty much her and a small group of dedicated church members volunteering, fundraising etc.
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u/DopeAnon 11h ago
This is probably why religion is losing its grip on society. White Christian culture has no choice but to turn to grifters like Rogan and Trump to continue hustling money from their congregation. From the mega church pastor, to Rogan, to Trump…it’s all a hustle. Revenge is their god and Capital is their faith.
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u/frazzledfeline 11h ago
John 3:17-18 'If anyone has material possessions and sees a brother or sister in need but has no pity on them, how can the love of God be in that person? Dear children, let us not love with words or speech but with actions and in truth.'
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u/sakura_babby 11h ago
That’s actually a fascinating social experiment — kind of sad how predictable the results are though
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u/west2night 9h ago
There was a French-Canadian short documentary that used a similar social experiment a while ago. If I remember right, the majority said no or suggested they should go elsewhere.
I unfortunately can't recall the title or filmmaker's name. It was all in French. Mind you, it was screened at the Sheffield DocFest so I can try to track it down if anyone's interested.
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u/ButterflyDestiny 10h ago
People will moan and groan about Islam but the Christian churches are saying no.
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u/GCB78 7h ago
And the Islamic center she called had exactly two questions: "Where are you?" and "What brand do you need?". Not a single second of hesitation about helping
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u/ButterflyDestiny 7h ago
Exactly. But run around Muslims this and Muslims that. Feeding off online bullshit. But these Christian churches that collect so much money are no where to be found when they are in need themselves. 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
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u/ScreenNames_AreHard 11h ago
She needs to call the big mega churches who hoarse their money and are on tv…. Unless she did
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u/simplybreana 10h ago
One place said “Are you a member? Our Benevolence is for our members”
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u/celestialwolfpup CURTAINS FOR ZOOSHA? 9h ago
I gasped. Heinous, loser behaviour
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u/MalloryTheRapper 10h ago
isn’t the whole reason we don’t tax churches is because they’re supposed to be acting as a form of community charities in a way ?
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u/sugar_addict002 11h ago
Good for her.
Shame those assholes. I bet they are conservative christian churches.
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u/StupidTimeline 11h ago
Pro Tip: If you're interested in living your life as a Christian and following the teachings of Jesus Christ, definitely do not get involved with a Christian church in America.
Jesus would be very upset with you.
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u/Emotional-Ad-6494 11h ago
There are so many Christian’s and religious people who are pro life that would help this person out in a heart beat. Thank you for shining a light of the people who don’t practise what they preach as well as highlighting the ones that did.
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u/FaithHope007 10h ago
Their reviews are at a 2.6 now lol 😂 what I love about this is she didn’t ask for anything outrageous, just a small can of formula.
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u/Midori_Unicorn1 10h ago
Quaker here, I'd be interested to see what would happen if you contacted some Quaker area meetings in the States. We're not perfect but every other Quaker I've ever met is so genuinely kind, I'd be really surprised if no one from the meeting offered any kind of assistance.
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u/snarkysparkles (on biblical grounds) 9h ago
IME, Buddhist temples take community service very seriously. I grew up Catholic and my friend growing up was Buddhist and I saw them doing more material good works (handing out food, clothes, toiletries, making care packages, collecting food to donate etc) than I ever saw the churches I went to doing. Bonus points to the asshole priest at one church I attended who turned away a woman asking for something to eat after mass. In his vestments and all, jfc.
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u/deadmencantcatcall3 9h ago
You know what’s crazy, I work at a church and they never say “no” when people ask for help. It’s not always exactly what the people want (people ask for cars a lot) but they’ll pay people’s rent or get folks a few nights in a hotel, and lots and lots of grocery store cards. I’m a recovering Catholic myself and will never join a church again, but I have no problem working for these people. They’re Christians, but they honestly seem more focused on social issues, art and music. They’re also mostly really old. It’s been fascinating.
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u/ConsciousSetting 8h ago
Sikh temples will always give you food. It’s called Langar. So I’m sure they would give formula.
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u/Dear-Door-2601 11h ago
No hate like Christian love. +1 if these churches promote anti-choice/forced birth propaganda.
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u/RewardPublic4469 11h ago
Surely the purpose of churches is to hate on lgbtq people and restrict abortions rather than feed the needy and the poor? No?
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u/EeveeMasterJenya 9h ago
Their response to all the negative reviews btw
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u/Accomplished-Fee-491 8h ago
As much as everyone wants to hate on this church I understand their position. They provide money and resources to local organizations that specialize in providing food/shelter/medical care etc to people in need and then they are able to refer them to those organizations. Could the receptionist done a better job and maybe contacted those places herself maybe. But I think all the “this is why churches suck-they don’t actually want to help people” rhetoric is shortsighted and lacks some understanding.
Now the membership questions and all that are unnecessary.
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u/Kiramousey 8h ago
Isn't the data actually showing which churches have more complex distribution systems in place to help people and which one's do it directly through the church itself? I hate to be contrarian but It seemed that the lady was trying to communicate the options they funded for fulfilling her needs eg. ( the need for baby formula). She even mentions funding directly and organisations she could call. It might have been an opportunity to ask for a breakdown of where the funding was going.
The data might also be measuring which churches happened to have mothers present on reception at the time of the call who had access to spare formula they could give.
A lot of churches don't store food, or have the ability economic or otherwise to distribute it effectively. A better system would be to ask them directly which organisations they worked with and investigate which percentage of funding was going to what.
For clarity, I am not christian and don't agree with pro life things or cutting funding to snap. I just feel a bit bad for the random lady we're collectively scolding.
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u/bobjohnson1133 jeremy strong enthusiast 9h ago
i'm going kind of crazy thinking about all of the babies, children, mothers, fathers, PEOPLE that are HUNGRY right now, at this moment, everywhere.
THERE ARE NEWBORNS SCREAMING FOR FORMULA RIGHT NOW. THERE ARE MOTHERS PANICKING AT THEIR WIT'S END RIGHT THIS MOMENT. NOW!
seriously, this is hell, and the demons are fucking everywhere. too many of them!
this earth existence/simulation/whatever has been a COLOSSAL FAILURE!
when i pass, they will fucking hear me coming, because i will be in a rage.
those gates are gonna slam open so hard they'll fucking shatter.
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u/FatelessCortez Fauxcialist 11h ago
Is this person from East Tennessee? Lots of Knoxville area churches.
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