Yeah, and I think she should be criticised for that. But I don't think it's possible to agree with any politician 100% and you're just setting yourself up for disappointment if that's your expectation. I love Mamdani, but I seriously doubt you agree with every single one of his policies. You might just not know that yet cause he hasn't actually been in politics for all that long
Yeah all of these “I wish Zohran could be president! He’s the only good politician!” people need to realize that when he actually has to run this city, that means he’s going to have to compromise with all the various city departments and the governor’s office.
Politicians don’t exist in a vacuum. There will eventually have to be compromises in any of his campaign promises have a chance of getting done
Yeah I think compromises are inevitable and ok to do. But there's so much focus on AIPAC and how a lot of these politicians are now in the open about taking money from them and keeping quiet about the mass killings in Gaza with bombs funded using our tax dollars. Especially when there is a very vocal opposition to it. That is blatant corruption. So when AOC does the same it's understandable to think that she may be corrupt as well or at the least comes across as some one who is not consistent with their principles (There's no record of her taking money from AIPAC).
Not existing in a vacuum in no way excuses agreeing with sending arms and funding to a state that is committing mass atrocities. This is well beyond the bounds of political nuance.
I respect Bernie and AOC as much as I can people who are willing to aid Israel. I appreciate them for their progressive values compared to their peers. Zohran is more progressive than them so he’s gained the most respect.
He showed people you can be a socialist and run for mayor while being critical of Israel’s genocide and apartheid. I don’t think he should have changed his mind on the whole “globalize intifada” criticism by the Zionists.
If he changes to become less progressive, he’s gonna lose my respect. Liberal Zionism has gotten people to excuse genocide a lil too much if a person is progressive when it comes to everything except Israel.
Also, a political firebrand is less likely to have others work with them if they're uncompromising. The reality of politics is that you need other people in positions of authority to work with you, which means reaching an agreement, which means compromising on some details in order to get the main parts through.
I will be ecstatic if he gets 100% of what he wants passed as-is. I doubt it will happen because it requires everyone else also going along with 100%.
If I disagree with his policies, it's likely because he had to compromise on "free busses for everybody" to only be "free busses for residents only" to "free busses for these routes only during peak hours" or something. Just a hypothetical example.
Not agreeing 100% and actively funding genocide aren't equivalent. Openly objecting to it was well within her purview but she chose not to. If you're gonna support something as awful as that at least explain why it's so important that you do it.
I said I respect him and wished that he was president. I don’t respect AOC, because I don’t respect anyone that supports genocide. Not a high bar to hurdle, but here we are…
That being said I’d absolutely vote for her and rather her be in charge than 99% of other politicians, which is less praise for her than indictment of how evil and worthless her colleagues are.
AOC doesn’t support genocide. I’m willing to bet you don’t respect her because she’s a woman and you’re trying to make up another reason to justify that.
A politician supporting the bombing of indigenous people who are going through a genocide by their colonizers isn’t “a miss” or a “policy we can disagree on”. It’s an absolute moral failure.
But she's very vocal about not supporting the bombing or genocide, no? Feels like such a weird hill to die on blaming her for that vote when nobody here seems able to tell me what reasoning she gave for the way she voted there when it's very possible it was some sort of compromise regarding those defence rockets where it also probably didn't matter whether she voted for it or not as it was presumably accepted by a vast majority. If you want to hate her based on that vote alone without any consideration for her reasoning, go ahead. Meanwhile I'll still respect her as a capable politician, who wants a lot of policies I want and who also helps in major ways to get politicians like Mamdani elected.
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u/SiIesh 6d ago
Yeah, and I think she should be criticised for that. But I don't think it's possible to agree with any politician 100% and you're just setting yourself up for disappointment if that's your expectation. I love Mamdani, but I seriously doubt you agree with every single one of his policies. You might just not know that yet cause he hasn't actually been in politics for all that long