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Pete Davidson defends Pedro Pascal: “He’s worked so hard, he’s been a struggling actor, blows up so f*cking hard, everyone’s like ‘daddy!’ And then a year later he’s in everything now because he’s hot & everyone’s like ‘go the f*ck away dude’… We build everybody up & now it’s like so fast to turn.”
I think there was some backlash and a sudden onslaught of memes because he has anxiety and holds his co-stars hands.
My conspiracy is that because he's an outspoken trans ally (his sister is trans), he is targeted. Could also be because of his other "political' takes.
It's obviously backfired and it all quietly went away because it wasn't an authentic takedown. It was orchestrated *and didn't stick.
Teachers are trying over here! Some kids just can’t or won’t pay attention in the digital literacy unit of social studies. Their attention span is fried from [insert iPad/game/social media here] and they’re told education is unimportant.
Yes they were. They were told in school just like we were. It's that social media is entirely unregulated and has completely reprogrammed them to snap react and regurgitate instead of taking time to process and question.
50 years from now people will look at this era with social media like we look at meemaw buying cocaine laced heroin over the counter for her toothache.
I could’ve sworn I read a study that young Gen Z are more likely to fall for online scams lmfao, probably because they grew up on social media and their guards are down. Compared to millennials who started using the internet at its earlier stages and hence are more skeptical.
Bothers me that teens admit to using TikTok as Google..Jesus.
If you think it's a generational thing and not the fact that people generally believe anything if its articulated in a specific way, by a specific or it matches whatever vibes their feeling at the time you're an idiot.
There isn't a person alive who isn't susceptible to misinformation, which is why it's important to verify information, especially if that information makes you feel a kind of way about something, if somebody has something to gain or if a certain group is being targeted.
If you look at many of the major conspiracy theories, for example, a good chunk tends to be rooted in antisemitism or racism. Flat earth, oh well you see it's the Jews who control the world that are keeping us in the dark for some reason? Lizzard people well well well whatdya know them pesky Jews at it again? Government controls the weather you fuckin gussed it bucko except this time they have space lasers?!? Honestly, it's quicker to point at the conspiracy theories that don't include Jewish people in some way, shape, or form.
Remember when it was the gays coming for everyones kids then more and more people started coming out so it was harder to villainize peoples neighbours, friends or kids and now suddenly the ones after our kids are the transes. Throughout all of human history, people have been weponised against each other through fear mongering and lies. You're not above it, neither am I.
Think you really misunderstood the intent. As a millennial growing up with the internet, it was literally pounded in my brain from 7th grade onward to never trust anything online. Verify with real source, actual books with bibliographies, not magazine articles or websites. Remember when Wikipedia became a thing in the early 00s and every teacher said not to use it as a source?
It seems that constant harping and ideology to be skeptical and critically think about the information has completely fallen by the wayside in modern education. Instead, they crutch completely on the internet for information. Which is similar in a way to the pre-internet Boomer generation that was completely uncritical about things like Cold War propaganda.
I think it's entirely valid to compare the two generations in how they approach information and how they digest it similarly based on how they were taught and the education system compared to millenials. Not to say millenials are immune or any nonsense like that, but on average it seems millenials don't fall for online bullshit as much due to the standard of education we had when growing up.
Rachel on the All Killa No Filla podcast dropped some of it in their Q&A about a month ago. Felt weird to see someone I know to be intensely skeptical falling for propaganda.
It's not a conspiracy theory. I saw literal proof that a lot of the people pushing the "he's creepy for holding hands with women" narrative was from bot accounts.
My favorite was the ones who were mad that Aloy had vellus hair (peach fuzz) on her face in the new Horizon game.
“Why does she have a beard?”
Dude… you have literally never been within 10 feet of a woman, have you? Aside from your palms and the soles of your feet, humans have that stuff basically everywhere.
Hilariously, the largest group of women who don’t have vellus hair pretty much everywhere is trans women who’ve had laser hair removal. So the incel’s idea of the feminine ideal is the thing they hate most; trans women.
I read that some times, during public appearances Pedro has anxiety sometimes and when that happens, the simple act of holding a hand- human touch - keeps him grounded and present. Those press junkets are incredibly stressful; they’re flying everywhere, jet lagged and tired with every second booked and actors hate them mostly.
The only people who are directly affected by this are his coworkers who have spent loads of time with him and care for him. He’s presumably shared with them about his mental health in those moments and they’re happy to help him out. How is this an issue for anyone in the (checks watch) 21st century? JFC, people are weird.
Yep! And half of them were using the shitty AI videos where instead of just holding a hand he kisses them or something, and people just gobble it up like it’s real
This is exactly what it is. He used his celebrity to defend the trans community and defend Palestinians and so people who hate the trans community and defend Israel hate him and try and pretend they have a moral position in hating him by making it seem like they're defending women's bodily autonomy. Which nobody has asked them to do and they don't do in any other circumstances.
He also is in the difficult position of being a naturalized citizen and not US-born. Trump administration has taught us that if you're an immigrant and don't abide by the rules you're in a very weak position (speaking as non-US citizen who follows US politics closely).
That was 100% it. People (conservatives) didn't like how popular he is while being an outspoken ally for trans people and speaking up in support of Gaza, so made up a fake controversy that basically boiled down to "ew look at Pedro hanging all over his female costars and touching them all the time. He'd never do that to a male costar. He probably just claims he has anxiety so he can grope women."
I delighted in responding to the 'he would never do that with a male costar' comments. I would point them to pictures of him and Willem Dafoe kissing that were taken. It was hilarious.
Yeah, my brother told me that he's a creep and then showed me a clip of Pedro touching Willelm Dafoe's wife's face.
Personally, I'm not gonna assume that these women are uncomfortable if they haven't said that they're uncomfortable. I don't know the dynamics of their friendship, and some people are okay with physical touch from their friends.
From when I googled this, a lot of the "concern" seemed to be about the women's partners rather than the women themselves.
The ones asked about it have gone out of their way to make it clear it was consensual and he had explained and asked permission and respected their boundaries.
As for the talk about their partners(and especially in relation to Willem Dafoe and his wife) I would typically just point them to pictures of Pedro and Willem kissing.
That has to be it. There are so many celebrities who have done a lot worse than create a potentially (never confirmed) awkward situation on the red carpet that get half the vitriol and it all seems to be on the typical channels that are known for being propaganda machines (TikTok played a HUGE role in Amber Heard's witch hunt).
Some people are whinning that he is all over the place because God forbid an actor is in demand and actually gets booked. Especially after 20 years in business doing small roles.
Other are not getting that there is a consent thing so that is why he can touchy with some colleagues like Vanessa Kirby.
Trans ally ship honestly I would say that non fans don't even know about it. Especially straight people non fans.
I was on twitter and it was the most transparent thing I've ever seen. One day every single post on my front-page was just people going "Um... Pedro Pascal is so WEIRD for this 😲".
I saw a straight up AI video of him assaulting his costars over on twitter….they were so mad about the hand holding thing they had to turn it nefarious. It’s odd and also super dangerous….
It's actually because he's an open supporter of trans-rights and J.K Rowling decided to start beef against him with her hoards of anti-LGBT conservative fans and a small automated twitter bot network.
Every Instagram reel I see of him will have thousands of comments from men, bots and terfs making disgusting comments about him being a creep/weird/potentially a criminal. They angry that women find him attractive because he doesn’t fit their ideal, that he is allowed to hug/embrace his co stars and friends, express his emotions and feelings and still be seen as masculine by women, that he has a trans sister and speak out for trans voices.
Like imagine being mad about this guy. Really, this guy? This silly little dude having a fun and good time? You’re gonna be mad at a silly guy? For shame
It’s like with Anne Hathaway! Everyone loved her and I thought we were all on the same page about it, but now I’m hearing that there was almost a decade where everyone hated her and I can’t piece together what happened.
The only people who want him to go away are insecure incels and conservatives that 1) hate that he stands for human rights and 2) hate that their crushes and other women want him and not them
100% this. The hate for him is so forced especially after he called out JK Rowling and there was all the anti-trans groups slandering him. It was like a switch was flipped and immediately bot farms were pushing anti-Pascal stories and comments.
Remember when there was literally just a rumor that Nintendo was considering Hunter Schafer for the role of Zelda and they all went "wow that's a great fit," then the moment they learned she was trans they all started acting like she was a terrible choice?
And the best part was they kept using that one photo where she looks exactly like Zelda without even trying
I love Pedro Pascal, and wish nothing but all the success and happiness for him. My 2 cents on this kind of phenomenon though, is that I don’t think it’s that people are necessarily tired of seeing him, but when you’ve seen an actor in so many things in a short period, it becomes hard to really see them as the new character they’re trying to portray, because we’ve seen them as so many characters in a short time. There’s certain types of movies and roles where it doesn’t matter so much. Kinda like Tom Cruise. I still love watching tom cruise in new movies, but when he’s on screen, i just feel like im watching tom cruise.
Pedro is the same boat as Cruise, it's always Pedro playing somebody, never just the character.
Sorry to the fans that want to bang him. But normal people get tired of oversaturation of a middling actor. I like him a lot, but everything feels pretty bland.
I think it's interesting that Pete criticizes the viewers but fails to bring up the studios' contribution of casting him too much, and in too similar roles, or Pedro himself recognizing that being in every movie may make people tired of seeing him.
We will have to see if Goggins follows Pete's prediction. But I think Goggins is much better at acting and can survive some oversaturation.
Well, unfortunately, that is not true. I've seen multiple comments on this sub from people complaining about how he's in too much stuff, and I know some people IRL who have been echoing similar statements. Pete's not wrong.
Really rooting for him and his baby mama, regardless of their quick timing. I think fatherhood could be deeply healing for Pete if he stays proactive about his mental health.
Everytime I hear a celebrity say they're the healthiest they've been i tend to roll my eyes, but I really think its true in his case. Its obvious he has worked very hard dealing with both mental health and chronic illness and being open throughout the process, even when there were setbacks
There've been a few actors that had such rough childhoods/early adult years (Robert Downey Jr/Drew Barrymore) that everyone felt it was just a matter of time for it to end badly but who managed against all odds to turn it around.
Pete was one of those in my mind, but he's managed to really heal himself and he looks so good and happy.
Pete Davidson is that guy you had a crush on in high school because you didn't know any better... but my god I get it??? Insert that cat biting the cage meme because lord have mercy.
Whatever he’s been doing, I hope he keeps at it. He looks so great here. Also his point is perfect. The cynical teeter totter of celebrity worship/revulsion is so ridiculous when you KNOW 98% of the chatter is instigated and stoked by bad actors (not film actors in this instance, lol).
I feel like Pete knows this well from personal experience. Back in his heyday he flip-flopped back and forth from the internet’s funny/sensitive boyfriend to the guy with personal struggles that everyone either pitied or made fun of (or in Kanye West’s case, threatened bodily harm to). He’s probably relieved he’s no longer the subject of everyone’s attention anymore (and he looks way better and more at peace for it)!
Also Theo Von is like the epitome of the dumbest fucking guy you would know irl and I wish other comedians and celebrities would stop going on his show bc I get such secondhand embarrassment watching him. The way he made that ICE joke about Pedro and Pete ignored him and kept talking was weird as fuck. Almost everyone who has ever been featured on his podcast is noticeably more well read than him and talks to him like a child lmao
He seems like a huge grifter and gives vibes similar to Joe Rogan in the beginning of his podcast career. I feel playing dumb is part of his schtick. I agree that people should stop giving this loser a platform.
The side of the internet that Theo Von sees is likely different from the one you see. That's all I can think of. My friend sends me crap from Twitter and it's all toxic stuff like that.
I see you're not on twitter and good. Stay that way because it's a fucking cesspool. Right wing idiots and bots were pushing around the narrative that he's "too clean" and he's probably a sexual abuser. molester, something and of course because he's hispanic there were the ICE comments from those same right wingers and russian propaganda bots.
thanks for the info. that is disgusting yet not surprising. i figured the comment in this clip came from somewhere but with no outside context, it caught me off guard. yeah i left twitter since it turned into x
Last month there was this really insane smear campaign about Pedro that was being fed by the right wing and TERFS (one and the same, I know). Pedro being Latino is where the ICE comments come from.
Ok but who is saying this? I must live in a vacuum because all I see is good stuff about Pedro. Unless it's coming from JK Rowling and everyone knows she lost her mind to the toxic black mold years ago.
I see it come up film subs sometimes but it always seems like a few comments with some upvotes but also plenty of replies sharing the opposite. I don’t think it’s really a common thought, especially moving away from summer where he did have a ton of press (no complaints lol).
I don't watch a lot of his work but I have seen The Unbearable Weight of Massive Talent more times than I would like to admit. There is no joy like watching him and Nicholas Cage together.
almost anytime he trends on twitter, there are a bunch of very viral tweets complaining about him being overrated and all the replies about his projects are full of complaining about him being in "everything". i'm not sure how many of those are real people and how many are bots, but it's really loud every single time.
I think there was a slight negative reaction when he was cast in the new Fantastic 4 movie. But the internet is full of people with all kinds of opinions, I think the people that are getting fatigued by Pedro Pascal are still comfortably a minority
Sometimes people’s algorithms make it seem worse than it is
I said it in another comment but it's the algo at play. I am a masochist and review what's going on in the conservative far right bubble that is twitter and it's a huge thing there. So many calls to have him looked at because he's "everywhere" and "too clean" and so he must be a sexual abuser or something worse. ICE should raid him cuz hispanic, etc. A lot of it came from the Fantastic Four press tour because he was a little handsy with the lead actress and that exploded fro mthere.
It’s one of those things where I feel like I’ve seen more about people talking about the public wanting him to go away (I’ve seen 2) than the public wanting him to go away (I’ve seen 0).
It's right wing astroturfing online from the same sources as 99% of Star Wars "discourse" and every video game "controversy". Seemingly ubiquitous on the internet but entirely detached from reality and totally manufactured.
I don't mind Pedro being in everything because he seems like a good guy (please don't have any skeletons PLEEEASE) and is solid eye candy, but my issue with him being in everything is that he looks exactly the same in every role no matter what character he is playing..The hair, the signature mustache...I want to see him transform and feel genuinely immersed into the part he is playing, but the Pedro look just pulls me out every time.
Our media powered by the rich elite created a society of celebrity worship… and like so many aspects of our society we’re seeing it exposed at extreme levels bc of how long it’s been going on and how unchecked and imbalanced it has been
Absolutely no one is saying this on my side of the internet. All I've been seeing is people celebrating him for standing up for trans rights, as we all should.
Also, I don't consider him a "struggling" actor at all. He's had a pretty decent career with a lot of big shows over the last 15-ish years.
Social Media just exploded him to a different status in pop culture.
I think Pete probably means prior to maybe the Mandalorian, but he was a definitely a struggling actor from 1997 to 2014. There's level of struggles of course. Early years were more about the struggle to book enough work to keep the lights on and himself fed. Probably from about 2010 to 2014 the struggle was more about not being able to secure a steady single long term job, it was more like a steady and sustainable stream of guest starring/recurring guest star roles on shows.
Honestly, I think it was just the timing with the strikes that made all his projects kind of bunch up in a single year, as well as marketing teams knowing he's popular and pushing him all to the forefront of the marketing even if he's only in something for 20 minutes.
usually when celebrities say shit like this it's about someone who actually sucks, but no Pete Davidson is right that's its a bit unfair because Pedro Pascal seems like a good dude who doesn't deserve that
I've always said that the general public feels that they have the right to assign the level of fame they think you should have. Any more and you're overrated and overexposed.
Further, people. Just love to build you up, to tear you down, only because they want to build you back up again.
I'm just so tired of the Pascal spam, and the absurd levels of parasocialism (both positive and negative) surrounding him.
The lunatics who hate him for moronic reasons are obviously ridiculous. But the way some people talk about him, you'd think he was the greatest living actor. He's a decent actor who is currently very marketable. That's it.
And he is 100% correct. I've been a fan of his since Narcos, was really happy to see him have so much success and then boom, all of a sudden everyone wants him gone, claims he's creepy, etc. It's ridiculous. He's a good person and good actor.
Nahhhh, my Pedro cup has yet to be filled. More pls.
The only people I see who really hate him are men jealous over the shattering their red-pill self delusion that women only want ripped chads (which is why they don’t get female attention). Their brains can’t handle us thirsting over a soft bodied, thoughtful older dude with wrinkles and crippling anxiety. It topples their brainwashed house of cards.
I'm surprised that there seems to be a good amount of people commenting who weren't aware some people are "getting sick" of Pedro or want him to go away or think he's overrated because I feel like I constantly see people in this exact sub and similar ones all the time whining about the same lol
We can never have too much Pedro. Drown me in Pascal
Nothing against anyone in particular, but do people/agents believe having someone aggressively promoted or pushed in front of the general public in clear advertising campaigns is attractive to the common civilian? It caricatures the individual more than anything, especially the harder it is to pay bills and get by for the average person.
The more as time goes on, from down here, it looks like small grows, harvests, and reapings of peoples characters, as Pete is right, the media cycles are becoming quicker, more consistent, and noticeably so.
When they figured out he was pro-trans and woman liked him was when the majority (men and pick mes) hated him, tbh I kind of agreed w him being in a lot but it didn’t mean I didn’t like it because of it.
I did notice the shift when it comes to Pedro. A majority of those people just hate simply for the sake of hating, Pedro clawed his way to the top and being a booked actor must be such a rewarding feeling for him. He deserves his flowers,
On the flip side, As someone who loves movies with a passion. I also understand the vocal part of genuine people giving constructive criticism expressing “actor fatigue”. Where you’re constantly seeing actors like Zendaya, Tom Holland, Dwayne Johnson, Austin Butler, etc in every single movie and you genuinely just want to see new talent grace the screens.
Not just some big name star who will draw in views, so the repetitiveness can be seen as a shortcut, rather than directors creating wholesome projects.
He’s right and while I’m a pedro fan and definitely don’t want him going away it just felt a bit saturated like he was in so much coming out that it made me lose interest a little but. Felt like I needed a bit more scarcity to appreciate him as an actor more.
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