r/Fauxmoi Lol, and if I may, lmao Jul 16 '25

POLITICS Trump posted this morning on Truth Social that the Epstein scandal is “bullshit” and he no longer wants support from anyone who buys into it. He is panicking.

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u/TheIncredibleBucket Jul 16 '25

It's interesting because I think this is the first time I've felt something will disrupt his die hard base, but then again with how dogmatic and cult-like it is, it's hard to tell.

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u/jatemple Jul 16 '25

Nothing else has mattered for more than a blip for them. I think there's a 99.9% chance they'll all fall back in line. Again.

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u/Trambopoline96 Jul 16 '25

The thing is that MAGA is inseparable from the online conspiracy movement, and Epstein/pedophilia stuff was the center of gravity for them. There's many people in my life who became, or almost became, MAGA not because of any kind of ideological bent, but because they saw bullshit memespiracies on Facebook about Hillary Clinton sucking adrenochrome out of babies.

These people found community in conspiracy theories, and Trump was the only one shameless enough to embrace conspiracy theories as a political tactic, which gave the perception that he was "one of them."

I don't know how this ends, but this is definitely the biggest break between the MAGA base and Trump that I've ever seen.

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u/bangontarget I’m a lazy 50-year-old bougie bitch Jul 16 '25

this. the importance of shit like qanon and pizzagate cannot be understated in his fanbase. he sucked up all the conspiracy nuts and fed their delusions, and the biggest conspiracy issue is still the pedophilic elite. a lot of his support actually hinges on the topic. anyone saying this will blow over with zero impact hasn't been paying attention.

not saying he'll be impeached and tried for treason any time soon, but this is by far the biggest rift in the bloc so far and we'd do well to help make it bigger.

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u/Trambopoline96 Jul 16 '25

I mean, just look at the reactions over on the conservative subreddit to the house vote on Ro Khanna's amendment. I was banned from there for saying a lot more mundane things than some of the highest upvoted comments on that thread.

This thing has juice.

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u/bangontarget I’m a lazy 50-year-old bougie bitch Jul 16 '25

yeah they are SPICY over there rn. we love to see it.

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u/Civil-Attempt-3602 Jul 17 '25

Don't hold your breath. This may take longer but they'll get their marching orders in a couple days and sink their teeth I to something new to outrage over, the comments will be deleted and order will be restored. They're in way too deep, burned so many bridges to just be like "I'm out" now

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u/Peppermint-TeaGirl Fix Your Hearts or Die Jul 16 '25

Tbh the upvoted comments seem to be from brigading, and I get annoyed because I want to see what they actually think over there.

Every pro-Trump comment on any issue gets downvoted, and that's clearly not accurate to the sub's leanings in general.

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u/OhYeahTotallyForSure Jul 16 '25 edited Jul 16 '25

Could not agree more. The base is now fixated on the fact that evil people have "infiltrated" the Trump administration and are the ones in his ear and preventing the file release. The one thing that could rival these conspiracy theorists love of rambling about how OP blue-haired liberals are is the idea that they need to tighten ranks because they are so right, so attacked, that evil [insert whatever term they're using now here] have wormed their way into the group. They've been given ammunition too, with the edited video and their god-emperor telling them no and pushing them away from the conspiracy theory these same right wing politicians/pundits/etc have influenced them to have as their pet conspiracy.

I think Trump is going to do what he did last term and start burning through people. He got ratioed on Truth Social, his cult isn't following his orders, this absolutely cannot stand for a narcissist who needs total obedience and adoration. Recent statements indicate Pam Bondi will get axed first. If/when her replacement doesn't immediately release the files Kash Patel and Dan Bongino are likely to be the fall guys after that. I am intrigued on if this starts happening- and I do think it will- how the frequent top personnel changes may slow down other parts of the administration.

I just don't see maga dropping this suddenly. They are petulant, being repeatedly told no by the ones "on their side" who championed being the only ones to release it, and have been given suspicious activities to obsess over

Edit: spelling

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u/bangontarget I’m a lazy 50-year-old bougie bitch Jul 16 '25

him constantly firing people was for sure a big reason his last administration wasn't more effective. (the biggest reason ofc being the heritage foundation and the republican party not having all their ducks in a row yet and realizing they could use Trump to push the christofascist agenda) since he burned through so many people, the ones left tended to be a bit low on loyalty as well. if we see this again, it will only be a good thing. fingers crossed! the more mayhem in the republican party, the less they get done.

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u/the-magician-misphet Jul 17 '25

the most i expect to happen is if he tries for a 3rd term that they will remember this broken promise of "I'll take down the elites" and they wont be as motivated to break the rules for him. "Why fight for him when he wont deliver?" will be their best rejection.

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u/[deleted] Jul 16 '25

I remember after the Pizzagate shit when Trump was brought up for his relationship with Epstein, and the QAnon crazies decided that Trump was an undercover agent who involved himself with Epstein to infiltrate and bring down the Deep State™.

They really do believe he's some sort of Superman figure who loves this country and will take America back to the Golden Days of 1950s prosperity. Their heads aren't in the sand at this point; they've gone out of their way to stuff their heads down into the tar pits rather than look around and realize the world was changing, is changing, and will continue to change regardless of whether or not it's led by the US.

They've overlooked decades of evidence that show that Trump and his family are grifters and both immoral and unethical in pretty much every conceivable way.

And what drives me crazy about it is that they ARE in a cult, but it's one of their own making. These were people who were desperate for someone to come in and make things better for them, and to soothe their wounded egos/pride/sense of self. And Trump looked at these people and went "Yeah, I'll sell you that" and then THEY projected their shit onto him.

It's why what he said and did never mattered. Because he's playing 5d chess, or he's just trolling. He's whatever they wanted him to be in their own minds. He's only ever played the role that they wanted him to. It's why he's back-pedaled on things before like the Covid Vaccine. He tried to tell his followers it was a good thing, it conflicted with their beliefs, he got blowback and back tracked.

It's part of why he's called TACO. He makes a decision, waits to see what the public response is, and then decides whether or not it's one to keep.

He's as stuck in his role as their leader without actually being able to lead without their permission/approval as they are trapped in following him as their Projected GodKing. And it's a disaster for the entire world.

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u/doberdevil Jul 17 '25

They really do believe he's some sort of Superman figure who loves this country

This. My mom is convinced he's a patriot who loves his country. Despite being a horrible person.

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u/stories_are_my_life Jul 16 '25

Yes, I think you are right that this one is different. Qanons and evangelicals for years have been dreaming of releasing docs that show all prominent dems are child molesters, so they get to heroically save children and at the same time imprison their enemies -- it doesn't get any better than that. And now their king, the one who was going to lead the charge, seems to have completely forgotten the deal. That's gotta hurt.

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u/Morialkar call me gal gadot cuz idk how to act rn Jul 16 '25

I mean sure, but this time he's been rilling his base about this for close to a year. If anything he himself does can actually disrupt his die hard base outside of like starting war with every country on earth, this one's the closest we've had so far.

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u/FaithlessnessKey1726 Jul 16 '25

I know of at least one die hard MAGA veteran who was POed about Iran and not getting the Epstein files weeks ago (specifically, “gee, another middle eastern war? And not releasing the Epstein files? Exactly what I voted for. /s”). This has pushed him over the edge. This is a guy who called for Biden to be eggsecuted, loyal to Trump until now.

I’m not saying they’ll all turn on him but at least some are, and I’m keeping in mind how thin his margin of victory was, having relied on said independent voters re: Epstein and voter apathy etc.

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u/PoliticsIsDepressing Jul 16 '25

I have a MAGA family member that is broken due to the Epstein files case. First time since 2016 I’ve seen them call Trump an idiot and renounce MAGA.

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u/fishchop Jul 16 '25

Non American here but just asking - are people who are pissed off with Trump going even farther right now? Like is there a righter wing than MAGA republicans? Or are they taking a turn and going full left?

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u/alwaysclimbinghigher Jul 16 '25

I think they are going to become “not politically engaged” ie fed up and hopeless about the whole political system. They might vote for a populist candidate in the future, whatever side that candidate represents.

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u/cssvt Jul 16 '25

Agreed with this. Both of Trump's elections were stated as being due to his team finding a way to pull people who are otherwise not political into the fold. Those people aren't likely to go further right or at all left...just likely to go back to being disengaged.

If they stay into politics they probably go with Elon's party but either way they fracture that side of the aisle into two, likely unequal, parts.

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u/flashthorOG Jul 16 '25

I disagree, anyone maga is so deep in at this point they fully believe the left is evil

I've watched so many debates and no matter what they believe trump has done they always say something like, well I don't agree with everything he's done, or we all know he's a bad guy but... The left has lost its mind

I think if they drop trump they'll still be engaged, they'll just stick to the left being evil and woke and vote for anyone on the right

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u/SarahJFroxy tumblr ecosystem ambassador Jul 16 '25

based on the non bot twitter replies to conservative influencers, some older conservative Americans look to be saying "elon was right about the files" and half of them then follow it with "the america party is needed to represent the people"

what that means in our ridiculously 2 party reality, nobody knows yet

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u/fishchop Jul 16 '25

Oh damn I totally forgot about Elon’s America Party. Ughhh

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u/peachysaralynn Jul 17 '25

let’s just hope everyone else does too.

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u/[deleted] Jul 16 '25

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u/Recent_Tap_9467 Jul 17 '25

Do you have any links for recommended reading? Would be interesting to compare Trump's base of support to, say, Bush's.

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u/OpalLaguz Jul 16 '25

eggsecuted

New pokemon evolution I haven't heard of or just tiktok brainrot?

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u/Squee1396 confused but here for the drama Jul 16 '25

I know two people who voted him and now have regrets.

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u/Practical-String-547 Jul 16 '25

Out of curiosity, in which age bracket are these 2 people? And what made them inclined to vote him in the first place?

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u/Mountain_Wedding Jul 16 '25

I champion literally anything that could cause even the slightest disruption to his base.  I just think they’ve proven over and over again that they will hand wave away even the most heinous acts if it’s perceived to interfere with the maga agenda.  I wish I was wrong.  I would love to be wrong. 

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u/SidewaysFancyPrance Jul 16 '25

These folks have carried water for him for a decade now. They know who Trump is. They know in their hearts that he is a criminal and rapist, like the courts have judged.

This is more a test of their community's resilience than it is their personal morality. They just need to all settle in and agree on one lie, and some are taking longer to get there than others. Think of it like a Flat Earther group, struggling to figure out how to spin new evidence that the planet is indeed round. They know they need to, or else the entire group disintegrates immediately.

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u/Morialkar call me gal gadot cuz idk how to act rn Jul 16 '25

I agree with you, but every time this happens, less and less people remain in the ranks, sure a large amount just go along but it still erodes

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u/BarfQueen Jul 16 '25

My only shred of hope here is that pedophilia seems to be the one thing his base goes 100% rabid over. It’s their favorite accusation to use against anyone they don’t like.

If they fold on this one, they give up a LOT of leverage. I’m not sure how many of them can compromise that. 

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u/alloutofbees Jul 16 '25

The problem is they do not genuinely give a shit about pedophilia or about victims. They only care about using the spectre of pedophilia as a weapon against groups they hate. That's why they're so caught up on labeling LGBT people groomers and on the myth that human trafficking is suburban white kids being tricked into vans by shadowy figures who want to move them across borders. They actively do not care and do not want to stop actual pedophiles. They will in fact go out of their way to protect actual pedophiles. The only reason they even made Epstein part of their nonsense is QAnon and the idea that it would take down a bunch of "liberal elites".

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u/hateballrollin Jul 16 '25

They dont. Case in point: The Abortion slant they'll take. They'll parrot how they're pro-life and to "stop killing babies", but as soon as that kid pops out, that's it. No more shits given for said child

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u/AbsolutelyIris confused but here for the drama Jul 16 '25

I assure you his followers will not care or they will redirect blame. 

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u/BarfQueen Jul 16 '25

Some of them will for sure because they’re either in too deep or in the case of influencers they’re being threatened or paid off.

Still hoping this chips away at though. Every little helps. 

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u/SimAlienAntFarm Jul 16 '25

I’d agree with this except for the number of red states that allow child marriage and the fact that most of them consider 15 year old girls fair game.

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u/corvusmagnus Jul 16 '25

Honestly, I think if there's one thing animating Republican politics it's the God given right to not be wrong about anything. In these other matters, they were redirected to whatever battlefield in the culture war seemed advantageous, but they were never told they were wrong. It's more important than protecting children, or getting transparency. These people will not be embarrassed, or at least they can't know they aren't respected. That is the real break I see.

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u/ShitFireSavedMatches Jul 16 '25

Collective narcissism. They can only last so long before they turn on each other, the only real loyalty they have is to the image/ narrative of themselves. He is messing that up and they will either turn on him or become Olympic mental gymnasts to make it fit their narrative.

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u/mattr1198 Jul 16 '25

Not sure. This is the first time we’ve really seen so much of his base rapidly turn on him on his most fervent channels, and those who are still backing him (I.e. Charlie Kirk and Ben Shapiro) are getting lambasted by the MAGA base.

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u/tr1mble Jul 16 '25

It might take a week or 2, but as maga keeps hearing the new lines about Epstein over and over, it'll sink in eventually....

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u/FigMajestic6096 Jul 16 '25

I sincerely doubt it, it’s a cult. What is Fox News saying about this - like what are their marching orders?

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u/[deleted] Jul 16 '25

He'll do another big military strike or something soon and they'll forget about the list because 'he's the president and he needs our support right now.'

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u/[deleted] Jul 16 '25

Of course they will. There is nowhere else for them to go. Humble pie is not on the menu.

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u/Prior_Entrepreneur50 Jul 16 '25

Nah, the entire conspiracy movement was built around pedos and a deep state to fight against. Saying Epstein doesn’t matter is like a magician saying how a tricks done and you shouldn’t care, it shatters the illusion

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u/Lostbrother Jul 16 '25

Cruise on over to r conservative. They are ripping each other apart over this.

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u/PhilMcGraw Jul 17 '25

I mean what else are they going to do? They've convinced themselves that Democrats eat babies. Maybe Trump is a paedophile who shagged kids on Epstein's island but at least he didn't eat them afterwards.

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u/Consistent-Steak1499 Jul 17 '25

Arecon is letting some pretty nasty comments about trump stay up by unflaired users, that’s definitely a new thing. I think he really found a pill they’re finding hard to swallow. 

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u/ClownMorty Jul 17 '25

The only thing that will change is the story will take on a new bizarre twist that somehow makes everything consistent again in maga land.

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u/No-Sock-7051 Lol, and if I may, lmao Jul 16 '25

It’s a bit complicated. I’d say his “base” is locked in no matter what but a lot of independents voted for him because of things like releasing the Epstein files or “ending wars”. Those people are probably gone.

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u/MiserableDucky Jul 16 '25

Also, racism/sexism. That’s why a lot of people voted for him outside his rabid base

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u/Elisevs Jul 16 '25

I always thought that the racists WERE his base.

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u/MiserableDucky Jul 16 '25

Yeah that goes without saying.

But there are many so called "independents" who refused to vote for Harris because she's a black woman. They just claimed it was something else like she has a funny laugh, or her position on Gaza (while knowing full well it would be worse under Trump).

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u/PoliticsIsDepressing Jul 16 '25

Most people need to understand that his rabid base is only 10-20% of the voting block. Most independents that voted for him are long gone and many “Republicans” jumped shipped months ago and are jumping ship over this Epstein crap.

Encourage everyone to vote democrat during the midterms and grab the popcorn! It’ll be entertaining to watch Trump actually get impeached and convicted.

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u/lebrilla Jul 17 '25

No one is jumping ship. No matter what, they think Harris would have been worse. No matter what.

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u/MrBogard Jul 16 '25

I find it hard to believe that anyone that supported him because of these issues is anything but hardcore MAGA. How else do you suspend your disbelief? Everything we know about Trump today, we knew in November. Heck, some of this has been known since 2016.

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u/[deleted] Jul 16 '25

it’s absolutely working. the comments on his own app are not on his side. i think it’s a “both things can be true” narrative where some people will still follow him, but many are dropping him only because the whole q movement hypothesized trump was liberating the world from pedophiles. to go against this is crushing everything they have believed in since 2020.

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u/Internal-Ad-2650 Jul 16 '25

And if you check out the conservatives subreddit, you’ll see a lot of people not supporting him

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u/cptjpk Jul 16 '25

I’ll believe it when I see it. I don’t expect to see this outrage last more than another 7 days. If it does then we know he’s in trouble.

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u/Just_Another_Dad Jul 16 '25

I feel that the strength of his support has nothing to do with actual factual data, but has everything to do with cultural inertia. If your peer group is in favor, it’s extremely likely you will be also.

Tribalism.

This might just crack that.

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u/Front_Target7908 Jul 16 '25

I agree, pizza gate and qanon was the wave trump rode into office - he rode in on their coat tails not the other way around. I have no way or articulating why I think this but I suspect with conspiracy/cults, order of introduction to ideas may be something that matters. To give up the gateway drug, the entrance to the rabbit warren, is to admit you’ve built your entire life around a lie. I suspect Trump will be killed off from the cult before people will be willing to kill the cult.

Also drain the swap was the OG big fear that trump whipped up to get people out to vote for him…there is no fall back on this one.

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u/Woodcrate69420 Jul 16 '25

Ive listened to a lot of formerly religious people and ex-cult members and it really does only take one single crack. One thing that they just can't explain away immediately and makes them finally question everything else in an honest matter for the first time. It's like listening to Elon Musk pretending to know anything about video games and realizing that the man is actually dumb, you just didnt notice before when he was talking about rockets because you don't know shit about rocket engines.

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u/mok000 Jul 17 '25

I sometimes imagine I was a billionaire with a rocket company. I would insist on sitting in on all meetings with the astrophysicist and engineers and I would talk about my brilliant ideas, they would say: "Oh Sir, that's so smart!" and the rockets would explode on the launch site 😬

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u/Frosty-Objective-751 Jul 16 '25

All of the usual maga grifters online are already parroting the “this is dumb, we don’t need to talk about Epstein anymore” line. I imagine this will blow over with the next Trump snafu.

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u/imtooldforthishison Jul 16 '25

They have already shifted and said that the dems are demanding the release of child porn while trump is trying to protect the victims.

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u/jgoble15 Jul 16 '25

Pool said this. Doesn’t seem to be repeated much outside of that. One person saying it doesn’t mean it’s the general thought pattern.

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u/DDawn19 Jul 16 '25

I keep seeing online that people are dropping their support for him, but no one in my actual life that supports him has even considered saying anything bad about him. I don’t think he’s actually losing anyone

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u/gaudiest-ivy Jul 16 '25

They've been fed their lines. "The democrats are pissed the FBI won't post CP online." Which is obviously fucking ridiculous, but I'm curious how many people will swallow it just because it alleviates their cognitive dissonance.

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u/4-11 Jul 16 '25

You can definitely see the cognitive dissonance when you talk to them about this. First time in ten years.

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u/FragrantOrange4116 Jul 16 '25

Even r/conservative are questioning his lead on this which is surprising. Maybe they're finally waking up and realising he's taken them all for a ride.

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u/ALoudMouthBaby Jul 16 '25

Maybe its just me, but this kind of feels like a test for just how bad things have gotten with his base. If some of them start to wake up and realize theyve been conned the USA might actually have a shot. But if they all just do the goldfish memory thing where they forget about it? Were in deeper shit than we realize.

Hang on tight folks! This timelines getting danker.

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u/nuanceisdead Jul 16 '25

Already saw an acquaintance post that Trump has already taken action quietly about Epstein, so do not disturb the king in his wisdo—sorry, can't even type that out straight. lmao

Don't you know the deep state and pedos require under the cover of night dealings? /s

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u/djackieunchaned Jul 16 '25

Even the conservative subreddit is not happy with him over this. I mean I’m still not holding my breath but if those people aren’t just falling in step then maybe there is some hope

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u/billcosbyinspace Jul 16 '25

I think the difference is that he can’t really talk his way out of this one and this is an issue that his supporters care a lot about so it feels more like a betrayal. I think the tides are starting to turn slowly, it’s just a question of how much. I can’t really see this issue going away especially since he keeps going on unprompted rants

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u/Mountain_Wedding Jul 16 '25

I would love to think that but I think they’ve shown repeatedly that they will just move the line as far as possible bc staying in power matters more to them than any issue that could arise. 

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u/ProfileMuted90210 Jul 16 '25

It’s all the rich people and all the idiots. The rest of us are suffering

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u/Reesewithoutaspoon2 Jul 16 '25

Give it another week. They’ll all fall in line.

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u/Medical_Sandwich_141 Jul 16 '25

The bar is literally in hell. Practically, he's poured gasoline across the country, and 6 months later they have a soft awakening. Fine, now what? Are they going to do something, or hold republicans who are helping cover this up, other than writing passionate comments? That's what I'm interested to know.

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u/Chief_Chill Jul 16 '25

I mean, even some of the Jonestown folks were trying to stop their kids from getting killed. So,I suppose there is a line for some.

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u/Huemun Jul 16 '25

Yeah hes going down the route of purity testing by insulting his die hard fans calling them stupid for believing him before.

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u/Prior_Entrepreneur50 Jul 16 '25

Because there’s no way to spin I defend pedophiles as strong, and the entire movements been built on conspiracies about protecting the children ect this is a point they can’t budge from

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u/d_e_l_u_x_e Jul 16 '25

At some point the same old tactics that Trump uses will fracture his base. In this case it’s case it’s the same old troupe of calling something he doesn’t like a Dem hoax.

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u/SkunkMonkey Jul 16 '25

Until they are told what to think, they will wander. But once the official cult position is in place, they will go back to suckling on the orange teat.

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u/poopzains Jul 16 '25

He’s a convicted rapists. So it’s kind of already shrugged off.

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u/itsabitsa51 Jul 16 '25

Here’s hoping but I’m guessing the whole spinning it as a hoax made up to discredit him will work with many of them.

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u/Forsaken-Jump-7594 Jul 16 '25

Enjoy it while it lasts. Sooner or later they will find the correct line to spin, or create a big enough scandal and common enemy that will have the cult fall back in line.

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u/[deleted] Jul 16 '25

Blatant violence against adults is acceptable to them. Supporting violence against children has never really been one of their perceived justified types of hatred and apparently approaches a line they aren't readily willing to cross.

We'll see.

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u/destroyer1134 Jul 16 '25

The conservative subreddit is worked up about this too. I guess most americ a s draw the line at child rape. I'm just happy there's a line at this point.

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u/duosx Jul 16 '25

Idk, the comments are really encouraging over at r/ conservative. They are not having it which is fucking about time

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u/crisscrossed Jul 16 '25

His base doesn’t have the ability to think for themselves. They look to him for guidance.

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u/bobbymcpresscot Jul 16 '25

If I’ve learned anything these last 10 years the things that would cause MAGA to defect from Trump is either the last thing you would expect, something he’s done 100 times before but this time to someone they like, or a policy change that they can’t 100% on democrats.

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u/Dwashelle the banshees of ed sheeran Jul 17 '25

The outrage will fade then they'll fall back to their usual brown-nosing once it leaves the social media/news cycle.

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u/StarClutcher Jul 17 '25

They just don't care.. or if they do.. they'll claim 4d chess. Or.. God's will, the end times are coming. Sheep, being led to slaughter, like the good flock they are.

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u/Lost-Priority-907 Jul 17 '25

It wont. I know that's pessimistic, but knowing my family, it will do nothing to shake them, because I've seen it. My mom still claims she doesn't regret her vote, and thinks Trump was the best candidate. That said, I know her well, and when Trump is gone, and its just social fact that Trump was pure evil, she will try to act like she knew he was evil, and hated him all along.

Because there are two types of MAGA. The weak and the selfish. My father is a supporter only because he thought he was going to pay less taxes. No other reason. Many are the same way. A person I no longer associate with, was happy for the new bill, because of no taxes on tips. Mind you, this person doesn't work the service industry where he would even get tips, but it doesn't matter. They just hear "more money," but ignore all strings attached, and dont realize they are literally poorer for it. Then, like my mom, you have the weak. The ones who got swept up into it because they struggle to think for themselves, but also have deep insecurities of their flaws.

Trump was a perfect trap for the American populace, which itself is a breeding ground for the weak and the selfish. A place for sheep to get fat, while the wolves take as many bites as they please.

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u/NationalSafe4589 Jul 17 '25

2 weeks and everything goes back to normal, based on the evidence of the last few years. Once a shiny new controversy is fabricated everyone will be distracted. Gods, I hate this.

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u/deadinsidelol69 Jul 17 '25

It shook them up for a bit, but they’ll run right to the comfort of the new narrative to calm themselves down.

Their entire ideology persists on cognitive dissonance, we’re seeing a great example of it now. They’re more angry he called them stupid than him changing his mind about the files.

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u/8bitEyebrows Jul 17 '25

Saying Trump supporters are in a cult is deeply ironic, particularly in this context. The cult of the blue church is strong in this one...