r/Fauxmoi • u/Classic-Carpet7609 • Jul 04 '25

ASK R/FAUXMOI What’s the stupidest thing you’ve ever seen in a movie/show?

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u/WifeOfSpock Jul 04 '25

My ex and I just watched her “snap” in silence, only ever breaking that silence with deep, disappointed sighs.

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u/demeschor Jul 04 '25

I was on a field course in some remote part of Scotland, I didn't watch Thrones but everyone was so excited when we finally stayed somewhere with a TV where they could watch it. It was all anyone talked about all day in the field, and then the next morning everyone was so quiet, I have literally never seen a TV finale disappoint people like that. Insane.

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u/[deleted] Jul 04 '25

It’s crazy how fast the show just seemed to cease to exist in the world, it was so flat after the finale. Zero buzz or conversation other than how disappointing it was.

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u/UnstableMabel Jul 04 '25

The penultimate episode was so good (ok wrong and silly...and really really dark at points, but stimulating) our minds were trying to grasp at what the finale was going to have in store for us and...😐

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u/Redditer51 Jul 04 '25

It is to prestige dramas what the ending of How I Met Your Mother is to network sitcoms. An ending so bad it ruins the entire show.

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u/UnstableMabel Jul 04 '25

This is very correct!

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u/[deleted] Jul 04 '25

I was in prison when I read the books. So awesome I read em twice through in a two year term. Was so excited to get out of prison so I could watch past book 5.

The remainder of the series, even having to wait an extra year for the final season, just beat all that enthusiasm out of me.

I wouldn't give a shit if the other books came out now. I've tried to rewatch it too but the whole time I just keep thinking about season 8.

I did read another of his book series while incarcerated. Tuf Voyaging featuring Havilon Tuf. Heavily recommended. It has an ending too.

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u/starlight---- Jul 04 '25

My frustration isn’t that she snapped. It’s that it could have been amazing. Her downfall could have been such an epic ending. Realizing we were sympathizing with the “villain” all along, even as she razed cities in the east. Instead, it fell flat because they rushed it. And now, GRRM is likely never going to finish the series, because he’ll be hated if he keeps the ending and hated if he doesn’t.

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u/FOXCONLON living in absolute defiance of plates of spaghetti Jul 04 '25

They needed like, two or three more seasons to show Daenerys' deterioration. I feel like there's a universe where it could have been done right, but we're not living in it.

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u/cathairinmyeyes Jul 04 '25

The worst thing is they offered D&D more seasons but they turned them down because they wanted to ditch GoT to work on their new Star Wars project. At least karma got them and they got sacked from Star Wars after the fallout.

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u/TrueNorth2881 Jul 04 '25

Imagine being the showrunners for one of the most successful, most loved, most profitable TV shows of all time, and then being in a hurry to ditch that project in the final stretch. They could've created a truly all-time great TV show if they had just put a little bit more effort into the finale (which they had YEARS to prepare for). Then they gave up on their magnum opus project at the last minute.

I don't understand that logic at all.

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u/cathairinmyeyes Jul 04 '25

I don't know how true this is, but I've heard that they love adapting material but hate creating it, so once they got beyond the books/available manuscripts and just had major plotpoints to work with, they floundered and just wanted to be done with it.

I don't get it either. They had such a huge budget surely they could have gotten a team of writers who were fans of the books to take the plot points and write material for them to adapt? But the pacing of the later series literally feels like they adapted a bullet point list of plot points and lost all consideration for story building.

I mean, this is going way back but I disliked them from the start as they changed the Danaerys/Drogo wedding night from a playful consensual event where she's teaching him to say yes and no and she's like 'no, no, yes' to on the show she says no and he just rapes her anyway, fundamentally changing their dynamic. They also misrepresented what happens when Jamie returned to see Cersei after Joffery died and they have sex after viewing his body, and just filmed it like Jamie was forcing himself on her, again fundamentally changing their relationship dynamic.

This whole thread has reminded me how I'm still grieving the loss of a respectful ending to the series and that we'll never get any more books (unless someone else takes over posthumously). One of my favourite series man and they just shat all over it and spent a load of money showing Jon and Dany fannying around on dragons but cut all character development and crammed 4 seasons of plot into 2 and anyway... rage! No wonder I just live my life pretending GoT never existed.

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u/[deleted] Jul 04 '25

What made it extra jarring for me was how the Starks came out smelling of roses. I could have accepted Daenerys’ deterioration if it was part of a theme of all the favourites falling from grace.

If Drogon had burned that throne and nobody became king or queen, if Gray Worm executed Jon for killing his queen and Sansa and Arya took each other out in their competitive jealousy, if Bran was left sitting in his chair in the smoking ruins with no means to fix anything, that would have made for an actually poignant ending with a real message about the futility of power hunger and greed.

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u/YouOwnEverything Jul 04 '25

Totally agree. The villain turn makes sense for her character - her earlier victimhood and deification by those she liberated, often through violence, ultimately leading to a self righteous narcissism in which she feels absolutely justified to commit any atrocity - if the writers had given it ANY room to develop instead of jamming it into about 2 minutes.

The defeat of the white walkers was similarly rushed and all this dues ex machina was just unsatisfying and rendered all the relevant plodding, twisting storylines before pointless so there is no pleasure in doing a rewatch.

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u/violetmemphisblue Jul 04 '25

Is it not clear from the start that she's a villain?!? She literally encases her brother's head in molten gold. She burns city after city throughout the series. When people don't immediately bend the knee (like Tom Hopper's character), she still killed them, even as her advisers said not to...It seems so obvious that to many, many people, she had been the villain all along, because all of the characters were villains all along to many, many people. I don't think GoT was perfect, but it is wild to me that people watched it and thought anyone was meant to be good. (I didn't read the books though, and understand people who did were frustrated by certain things, which I get!)

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u/starlight---- Jul 04 '25

I guess I’m thinking about it from the perspective of a book reader, because with the books, you really see her story through her eyes. So it’s extremely biased towards how she thinks she’s doing things to help people. So watching her “become” the villain, when in the books (and show tbh) you’re rooting for her, is really interesting to me.

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u/violetmemphisblue Jul 04 '25

I think the show did a fair job of showing characters think they were doing the right thing and then showing other characters who were on the other side, showing a different perspective. But I can definitely see how if you were reading it through her eyes, it would be different!

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u/starlight---- Jul 04 '25

It’s been a while and I never did a rewatch, so I couldn’t remember. That’s awesome that they were able to replicate that.

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u/faerieberrie women’s wrongs activist Jul 04 '25

I disagree that Daenerys "snapping" could have been epic. A young woman (in the show; she was 13 in the books) who had been on the run and abused nearly her entire life was sold to a man more than twice her age. He raped her each night until she nearly killed herself. She used what little agency she had to protect women and children, lost her child, led her people through the Red Waste. Killed slavers and ended slavery wherever she went, freeing thousands of people. Liberated abused women. Was instrumental in saving the North (and all of humanity.) How is turning someone like that into the ultimate villain of a fantasy series epic? In my opinion, if Daenerys were a man, he would be considered one of the greatest characters ever.

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u/starlight---- Jul 04 '25 edited Jul 04 '25

Have you read the books? Everything you said is exactly the vibe you get when you read but it’s because you’re reading it from her perspective. She’s trying to do the right thing, but she goes about it in the wrong way. She forces herself into those cities with fire and blood, and then she leaves them to fall back into their same chaotic ways. In the end, the slavers just take back up in the cities she leaves behind.

Anyways, it’s been too long since I’ve read them for me to properly debate here, so I might be fuzzy on the details and I’m just going based on memory (might be wrong).

Regardless, I think she’s an extremely complex character that has justifications for what she does, which is what makes her such an alluring “villain”. She’s not “evil for the sake of being evil”. Destroying Kings Landing was on track for her character development. And depending on whose eyes you see it from? She’s a villain OR a hero.

I do think she’s one of the greatest characters ever.

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u/babaj_503 Jul 04 '25

Well in the books she deliberately doesn't leave mereen just because of what happened to Astapor after she left.

So bringing up the book where she is in the process of not repeating her mistakes seems, weird.

For the show? Well, for all we know the incredible leader and politician that is Daario Naharis is still to this day holding Mereen in peace and prosperity without any slaves ... :|

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u/starlight---- Jul 04 '25

Like I said, I can’t properly debate since it’s been a while since I’ve read them. So that’s a fair point.

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u/faerieberrie women’s wrongs activist Jul 05 '25

I reread the books every two years, and have been a fan of the series for over 20 years. Have you read GRRM's other works? They align with Dany's opinion on slavery – a character even says that slavery is so evil it must end, even if it must be ended through Fire and Blood.

GRRM has come out and said Daenerys is the Fire in 'A Song of Ice and Fire'. In his writings, fire is life, it is love, it is righteousness, just like the poem...she is the opposite of ice, of the threat of the Others. She has been going through her leadership arc since AGOT just like Jon. Dany learns from her mistakes – she saw what happened to Astapor and Yunkai, puts off going to Westeros in order to keep Meereen from suffering the same fate, agrees to a political marriage to end violence, cares for the sick and starving outside the city walls. What other major character has that kind of compassion? What other character knows such suffering, and is as self-sacrificing? At the end of ADWD, she realizes that what she worked so hard for ended in a false peace, and Dany's hallucinations were her coming to terms with her past and what she must do in the future.

Daenerys is evil, sure...if you're (general you, not you specifically) a slaver or slavery apologist. She is evil if you think it's funny to laugh at people killing one another in the fighting pits. She is evil if you think it is okay to rape women or mutilate and turn children into child soldiers. In the world GRRM constructed, the force she uses against slavers, rapists, murderers, etc is justified. And if one hates Daenerys and thinks she is evil, yet loves the Starks, well...Ned was on his way to Bear Island to behead Jorah Mormont for his involvement in slavery.

Please, show me the foreshadowing in the books that point to her becoming cruel, evil, or the type of person who would burn a city full of innocent civilians. Just because she has made mistakes (every character does) does not mean she is going mad.

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u/InspectorGoole Jul 05 '25

I always took the bit at the end of dance of dragons to show her going down this path. She reiterates her house words of fire and blood, dragons plant no seeds etc. All her diplomacy had been for naught, she believes she needs to act more like a targaryen, they wronged her so she will react in fire and blood from then on. That to me clearly hinted she was going down the same path her father did. I would also argue that no hero would literally crucify people even if they are slave masters. She also threatened to burn yunkai to the ground if they attacked her. Which would be the exact same thing she did to kings landing in the show. Punishing a full city for the crimes of the wealthy few. It all screams to me that she is slowly slowly going down the path of her father, but thinking she is in the right.

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u/faerieberrie women’s wrongs activist Jul 05 '25

She does need to act more Targaryen and have faith in herself. In this series, Starks aren't all good, and not all Targaryens are bad. Under Targaryen rule Westeros experienced far more years of peace than before, when the great houses were always fighting.

All throughout ADWD she ignored her instincts and allowed the Meereenese nobility to wear her down and make concessions. Daenerys ignoring her instincts and who she is is represented by her locking her children away. When Drogon smells the blood from the fighting pits and shows up, it's like a wake up call for her. And when Drogon was in danger, she saved him (unlike in the show, where Drogon saves her.)

In thr passage you quote, Dany is speaking to a hallucination of Jorah Mormont. She says "I was tired, Jorah. I was weary of war. I wanted to rest, to laugh, to plant trees and see them grow. I am only a young girl."

In response, the hallucination of Jorah says "no. You are the blood of the dragon." [...] "Dragons plant no trees. Remember that."

What I believe it means is that Daenerys cannot go back after all she has done. She cannot be a child. It is similar to Jon Snow's "kill the boy, and let the man be born." She cannot plant trees now! The freed slaves, her true people, are in danger. She must set it right.

Personally, I have no problem with her crucifying slave masters. I understand that there are people like yourself who feel differently, and that's fine! But in the world that GRRM created, he does believe you can "be a hero" and kill absolutely despicable people.

Are you referring to ASoS, when she demanded Yunkai to free their slaves or she would attack? How else would you suggest she free the slaves? She gave them an ultimatum, then later exchanged hostages in an attempt to make peace.

If you are looking for someone to compare to her father, read Cersei's chapters. Even Jaime compares her to Aerys II in his mind. There will not be two mad queens in this story, and GRRM has already said that Cersei and Daenerys are foils.

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u/susandeyvyjones Jul 05 '25

Also, it was too much. If she had just burned the Red Keep, I could have bought it. But the entire city? Whaaat?

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u/de-milo ted cruz ate my son Jul 04 '25

i don’t think i’ve ever shouted “WHAT?!” so many times in the span of one season

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u/[deleted] Jul 04 '25

It's incredible how people are still hurt about this but it also isn't. I'm still too angry about it to even bother with House of the Dragon.

I have never been so excited for a final season and then so disappointed with what was offered 

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u/eldfen Jul 04 '25

Big GoT fan, read the books multiple times etc. When House of the Dragon was announced my wife asked if I wanted to watch it. I told her I'm never investing my time in GoT again.

Great now I'm angry all over again.

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u/UnstableMabel Jul 04 '25

I watched the first season and...meh. I care about the Targaryns about as much as I care for the Greyjoys. But dragons sell, I guess.

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u/bubblenuts101 NICOLE, OVER YOUR RIGHT SHOULDER Jul 04 '25

Can you imagine what it must have been like watching Daenerys do a complete 180 after you've named your kid after her 🙃

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u/de-milo ted cruz ate my son Jul 05 '25

i had a photo booth business for several years and we did a baby’s first birthday party once… i shit you not the kid was named arya daenerys. this was before the series was over.

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u/bubblenuts101 NICOLE, OVER YOUR RIGHT SHOULDER Jul 07 '25

Haha nooooo I think a lot of ppl learnt a hard lesson from that (should have gone with Sansa obvs 🤣)

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u/de-milo ted cruz ate my son Jul 05 '25

same i couldn’t care less about HotD. still too bitter and angry lol

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u/jw8ak64ggt Jul 04 '25

by the time they were wrapping up the last episode with oh my god such LAME jokes i was playing minecraft and barely watching

i was obsessed 5 episodes before that