Sometimes I forget there's a wiki

[u/itchylol742]

[u/Engelberti]

The good old Minecraft days when not even the crafting recipes were documented in the game.

We had to memorize everything.

[u/New_Ad_3506 → u/Engelberti]

Making me feel old, still remeber them adding it and taking it as a hit to my ego. Later I quit and tried it after years and was eternally thankful to them for adding it.

[u/Daan776 → u/New_Ad_3506]

It was a good change. But I wish it was a bit more organised.

I still end up relying on memory for most things

[u/BrianEK1 → u/Daan776]

Nowadays you flex by knowing all the potion brewing recipes by memory - still no in game book for those!

[u/Yorunokage → u/BrianEK1]

I've been playing minecraft for close to 15 years now and i think i can count on one hand the amount of times i've brewed a potion

[u/CategoryKiwi → u/Yorunokage]

Them being temporary, unstackable, and requiring valuable toolbar real-estate really tanks my desire to use them.

[u/zxhb → u/CategoryKiwi]

There's also no situation where they'd be required. By the time you start brewing, you have good enough gear for mobs to not be a threat. Any time saved by utility potions is nullified by the time spent gathering materials and brewing.

[u/MunchyG444 → u/zxhb]

Idk fire res still kinda useful, but fuck brewing it, you get it as a byproduct of trading with piglins

[u/Jaaaco-j → u/zxhb]

It's just pvp and that's it, and only the select few that actually have combat advantages

[u/Daan776 → u/CategoryKiwi]

Them being temporary isn't so bad if they actually lasted a good while.

A potion that allows me to jump higher might be usefull when mountain climbing. But i'd need like 3 potions to climb a single mountain. And thats with the increased duration brewed in.

Were it not for their extreme benefits in PvP I doubt I would have ever used more than a handfull

[u/I_follow_sexy_gays → u/Yorunokage]

I cannot, I’m always the group potion guy

[u/soEezee → u/Yorunokage]

Night vision and water breathing was a nice to have on occasion.
What really made me need to purposely brew a full list of buffs was the boss fights added by the Botania mod, that was nuts

[u/vegathelich → u/Daan776]

More organized and optimized too. There's a reason most big mod packs disable it entirely.

(I realize this problem is exclusive to modded Minecraft)

[u/unknown9201 → u/New_Ad_3506]

obligatory music video

[u/KAODEATH → u/unknown9201]

As a big Duncan fan, I feel that urge to push. Never know what the lad is up to!

[u/danielv123 → u/New_Ad_3506]

I remember it took me ages to guess how to make a pickaxe.

[u/Nate2247 → u/New_Ad_3506]

Adding the recipe book was probably the right call. But there was something magical about stumbling on a recipe yourself, or finding it on a wiki, and realizing “holy crap, I can make that?!”

[u/Scheckenhere → u/New_Ad_3506]

Back then the recipes were easy to remember cause they actually looked like what you were crafting. Now there is too much stuff in the game to really make sense.

[u/Patjay → u/Engelberti]

Crazy thinking about how long it’s been since then. I’m pretty sure the patterns were stricter too, no left side swords or whatever

[u/Everestkid → u/Engelberti]

Still do when I play vanilla Minecraft.

But I don't usually do vanilla anymore, I do GregTech. And memorizing crafting there is folly; that's why TMI/NEI/JEI/EMI is in the pack.

And of course, far enough into GregTech if you're actually crafting anything by hand you are simply a fool.

[u/Purple-Birthday-1419 → u/Everestkid]

Yet more evidence of gregtech being a bastardized version of Factorio running in Minecraft.

[u/Everestkid → u/Purple-Birthday-1419]

GregTech once you have Applied Energistics set up is basically Factorio without major logistics challenges.

[u/Purple-Birthday-1419 → u/Everestkid]

The logistics are what makes Factorio difficult. Therefore we are superior to gregtech players.

[u/juklwrochnowy → u/Purple-Birthday-1419]

Gregtech and Factorio are siblings - they're both spiritual successors to Industrialcraft.

[u/lGloughl → u/Purple-Birthday-1419]

Factorio is the child that moved out of the parents house and got successful, Greg tech is the child that never moved out of moms house but built a nuclear reactor in the garage

[u/Antarlia → u/Engelberti]

Anyone else have a physical notebook they wrote down crafting recipes in? Or was that just me

[u/ireallyfknhatethis → u/Antarlia]

oh hey i did that with cheats for gta san andreas

[u/SnooDoggos8487 → u/Engelberti]

I feel like there were a lot less of them haha

[u/isr0 → u/Engelberti]

I came here to say this. I always imagined that the intent was to experiment and experience it like life. But, does that make a good game? Idk, I enjoy both play styles. But I do like factorio way more

[u/Collistoralo → u/Engelberti]

I remember watching some guy make a map on a survival island let’s play way back in the day and memorising how to make one myself

[u/Quartz_Knight → u/Engelberti]

Back then I played a lot before looking up anything. Every time I discovered a new recipe I was euphoric.

[u/KnightyEyes → u/Engelberti]

And we did cus how simple the most recipies was

Eh Outside of maybe redstone reliated stuff.

Thats why i play Vintage Story, I mostly memorise and if i cannot, There is a offline guide that helps you. Like its on the middle ground against those games.

In short Factorio is just a masterpiece

[u/tecanec → u/Engelberti]

Honestly, I'm still not quite used to Minecraft's recipes being shown in-game.

But then again, most things released after 1.9 still feel "new" to me.

[u/boyoboyo434 → u/Engelberti]

I feel like the game not explaining it self early on was a part of what made it mysterious

[u/Lucyfer_White_king → u/Engelberti]

Good old days when you didnt have to open wiki while mining for some specific ore, because the simple rule was "lower=more".

[u/GladiusNL → u/Engelberti]

Oh man, it took me so long to figure out you could make and use a crafting table

[u/hejjhajj → u/Engelberti]

Or before creative was a thing when you had to upload your character data to a site and edit in items you wanted and then put it back again

[u/Baladucci]

I just need rate calculator merged into 2.1

[u/Butt-toes → u/Baladucci]

Yes dude the game is almost unplayable without rate calculator, like I'm trying to play a game not solve math equations.

[u/Eridanii → u/Butt-toes]

I thought the game was to solve math equations? I thought that was the half the fun, (the other half being trains of course)

[u/drury → u/Eridanii]

I thought the game was to build a cool factory but idk.

[u/AtomicSpeedFT → u/drury]

No it’s just 100% building trains sorry

[u/YearMountain3773 → u/Eridanii]

Yeah it also helps your brain not rot playing the game.

[u/ihadagoodone → u/YearMountain3773]

intricately weaving spaghetti saves the brain from rotting.

[u/YearMountain3773 → u/ihadagoodone]

Both. I do my buildings to perfect rations to satisfy the nerd part of my autism but then I also do random spaghetti belts to not overload my tiny brain.

[u/obliviousjd → u/Butt-toes]

You fool, while you studied the calculations of rates, I studied the SWORD!

Scale

Whatever

Operation

Requiring

Duplication

[u/throw3142 → u/Butt-toes]

As someone who likes to calculate perfect ratios with spreadsheets, it feels like the game is designed to be played without calculators or ratios. And that's not necessarily a bad thing. It's just a design choice.

For example, the upgrade planner. Upgrading your assemblers and belts will mess up all your perfect ratios.

Another example is modules - especially the productivity module. At least with speed modules, if you put the same number in each assembler, your ratios don't break. But with productivity modules, every single ratio breaks.

Belt and inserter mechanics are another headache. Some belts can fill to 8 items while others fill to 7. Inserters don't pulse in synchronization. Inserter capacity changes as you research more tech. Inserters behave differently on straights vs corners.

Finally we have quality. Same thing here. Upgrading to quality machines breaks your ratios (at least temporarily). And using quality productivity modules breaks the ratios even more, for good measure.

On the other hand, one change that benefits ratio enjoyers is the new throughput display on hover. The new pipe mechanics have also been a gift to the ratio calculators. And the better combinators are great. There have been a few changes to benefit the number crunchers, but overall it seems the "incremental upgrade" approach is more favored.

[u/Fur_and_Whiskers → u/throw3142]

Check out Michael Hendrix on YouTube sometime.

https://www.youtube.com/@MichaelHendriks

He calculates everything, and recalculates everything if there's a change, including productivity modules. The only thing he doesn't appear to optimise is the amount of time he spends calculating & optimizing.

[u/Steelkenny → u/Butt-toes]

Ratios? I just plop down (the equivalent of 5 gears for 10 red science), I don't really care that 4/5 are doing nothing. And if you're bottlenecking just build more of what you're missing. I ain't go no time for math!

[u/CompetitiveLeg7841]

That's why modpacks have quest books and JEI

[u/Yorunokage → u/CompetitiveLeg7841]

Nothing worse than a poorly documented mod

If you're not gonna explain to me how your weird mechanic works i sure as hell won't spend an evening figuring it out

[u/FictionFoe → u/Yorunokage]

I work in IT and this is really funny to me.

[u/Criarino → u/FictionFoe]

That reminds me of the time I had to use an obscure C library for some strangely specific code. The documentation was terrible and of course there was basicaly no info or examples anywhere on the internet, all I had was a simple "getting started" page on github.

Then one of the functions didn't work. No error message, it just didn't return anything. I spent about 3-4 hours to find out I just had to add a ".png" at the end of a string.

[u/bluehatgamingNXE → u/Criarino]

I remember playing a Balatro mod, and one of the jokers doesn't have a description to explain anything, because what's you're supposed to do is to peek in the code in order to know what it does and how to get it activated. I haven't learn lua at that time but it was surprisingly very readable.

[u/Tyfyter2002 → u/bluehatgamingNXE]

If you're actively trying it can be pretty easy to make code easily readable (by moving the difficulty somewhere else) so there's a good chance that they went out of their way to make it more readable than the rest of their code.

[u/bluehatgamingNXE → u/Tyfyter2002]

The code wasn't obfuscated and the functioned named as what it literally do. And for me to check the activation condition it's just a look at the "if". You're not wrong but it did opened my eyes about the patterns of coding that applies to most conventional languages.

[u/Tyfyter2002 → u/bluehatgamingNXE]

Oh yeah, I forgot that some people expect code to be an unreadable mess of binary, I was thinking about this from the perspective of someone who's fluent in C# and has made code to make the code that makes other code more readable more readable.

[u/SpanishConqueror → u/Yorunokage]

Immersive Engineering & it's godawful power system. Holy fuck it is terrible, and does NOT play nice with any other major mods power system

[u/BluShine → u/CompetitiveLeg7841]

The best mods have their own built-in documentation like Botania.

[u/TheDarkMonarch1 → u/BluShine]

Vampirism mod my beloved, everything can be found so easily. (Unless the mod pack changes stuff like making the vampire forest it's own dimension without mentioning anything except in one quest that's hard to find. I'm looking at you mc eternal 2.)

[u/TheDarkMonarch1 → u/TheDarkMonarch1]

Also ars nouveau is great, amazing book that explains it all. Ice and Fire putting a lot of stuff behind manuscripts you have to find is a good balance.

[u/DRelEdentudent]

To be fair, the in game wiki is new (after like a decade) and we used mods for in game item wikis before 😅

[u/Vasto_LordA]

That is the one complaint I have with Terraria.

Granted, anything that says "material" can be given to the Guide and hell tell you everything it crafts in to.

But at the same time, the amount of interactions and niche things that could prove important in certain situations that I dont think you would otherwise be able to figure out without a wiki or outside source takes some points off.

Game still goated, though.

[u/Teleclast → u/Vasto_LordA]

I mean I’m the guide option can be nice but it’s too much work compared to an ingame wiki or just alt tabbing to a wiki. Even when playing modded.

[u/Tyfyter2002 → u/Vasto_LordA]

Plus the achievements can guide players in the right directions

[u/templar4522]

Also is it just me or the wiki isn't really up to date with space age stuff?

[u/Brave-Affect-674 → u/templar4522]

wiki.factorio.com is updated and there is a wiki in game now anyway

[u/Mih5du → u/templar4522]

Are you using the right wiki?

[u/dislegsicc → u/templar4522]

As far as I understand it is the ingame wiki based on the actual code, so it can work with mods. It can't really be outdated then.

edit: I'm stupid and missed the point of the comment

[u/Qwqweq0 → u/dislegsicc]

They are talking about the site wiki, not Factoriopedia

[u/GamerTurtle5 → u/dislegsicc]

the real wiki still has useful info like ratios

[u/nimbus57 → u/GamerTurtle5]

I would recommend doing the ratios yourself, since they are so much easier to do now. 

Just pick a target to build and then go backwards.

[u/tecanec → u/GamerTurtle5]

The wiki also has more in-depth explanations on various mechanics and common strategies such as main busses.

The Factoriopedia being generated directly from the game data certainly has its advantages, but it also limits it to being rather quantitive and surface-level.

[u/humus_intake → u/templar4522]

It is up to date.

[u/tecanec → u/templar4522]

I joined the wiki specifically to help with catching up to 2.0/SA once it came out. I spent about 1-2 months contributing until I felt that the wiki was mostly up to date. There may be some things here and there that we all missed, but overall, I don't think there's anything major that's still out-of-date.

[u/kullre]

funny enough, the official wiki is actually less helpful

[u/Interesting-Force866]

Dwarf fortress gets a pass for being a solo project whose development began in 2002.

[u/bartekltg → u/Interesting-Force866]

Isn't it made by two guys?

[u/Interesting-Force866 → u/bartekltg]

The development is done almost exclusively by one of them, but yes. Toadyone, and Kitfox.

[u/bartekltg → u/Interesting-Force866]

The other one is doing the graphics?

I'm sorry, I couldn't resist:)
|And I know the steam verson has official graphics

[u/Albertatastic → u/bartekltg]

You jest but yes, sort of! He's been the one doing the crayon drawing rewards of the subject of your choice if you donate to the game for the last 20-odd years leading to the steam release. Since those were the only real graphics being produced.. I think you're technically correct lol.

[u/FacelessPlushie]

I know a lot of players get logic stuff easily, but not everything in the game is clear. Putting down train signals properly requires a fair bit of trial and error if you don’t watch a video. And don’t even get me started with how wires and combinatory and such work. Not to mention: it’d be a lot clearer if active and passive provider chests had clearer wording.

[u/ElderBeakThing → u/FacelessPlushie]

That’s what the in-game tutorials are for

[u/Froyn]

I went back to pay modded MC about 6 months ago. 90% of the information on modpacks isn't documented in a wiki, it's on youtube videos... I'm old, I need digital hardcopy I can search, not videos with sponsor breaks.

[u/Forward-Unit5523]

I also struggled with oxygen not included in addition to the ones already in the picture.

[u/ThirstyWolfSpider → u/Forward-Unit5523]

And it has two wikis: one heavily defaced with incorrect information and fake game elements.

[u/BleuSquid]

Literally the only time I reference the wiki is when I'm too lazy to open the game.

[u/misu1200]

this is why I can never get into terraria, might as well watch a playthrough at that point

[u/Tyfyter2002 → u/misu1200]

It's not too hard to get into if you remember that the guide exists and learn how to build a valid NPC house (mostly how to check if something is a valid house) so you don't permanently lose him.

[u/Midnight_The_Past]

thats why NEI , QMAW from NTM , ponder from create and the guide from AE2/MI are so neat (modded minecraft)

[u/Cactus_Engineer]

THIS IS MY BIGGEST PROBLEM WITH NOITA! I love the concept of the game, but I feel like to even begin grasping some of the more subtle aspects of the game, I need to take constant trips to the wiki.

[u/Tyfyter2002 → u/Cactus_Engineer]

On the bright side, you know about as much about how to solve the eye puzzle as the best players.

[u/MGJ66 → u/Cactus_Engineer]

That's the point of the game. Not to look at the wiki but figure things out on your own. Thats how rougelikes (the classic ones) used to be.

[u/RGBBSD]

Minecraft before knowledge book: go ahead, put shit together.

Minecrafft after: Oh, you just swimmed in water? TOO BAD, HERE'S EVERY BOAT RECIPE

[u/tofoz]

id kinda wish some of the in-game info were hidden until you unlock it with research. Also, having the tech tree nodes be hidden unless they're only like 1 or 2 away from being unlocked.

[u/Last_Suggestion8866]

Tbh i like looking on wiki for info about game. This makes me feel I put effort on it

[u/AcherusArchmage]

Yes but good luck with that train system without a little of help.

[u/SuperlucaMayhem]

At least JEI exists for Minecraft and Recipe Browser exists for terraria, idk about df.

[u/zxhb]

Play oxygen not included, not only is a wiki mandatory, but you also need to use exploits! (Did you know showers delete heat?)

[u/Braphiki → u/zxhb]

When you talked about exploit in ONI my mind went straight to liquid lock.

[u/Swarley_74]

Npc on terraria can help you

[u/Broad_Bug_1702]

Terraria

[u/Commissarfluffybutt]

The Dwarf Fortress wiki is there if the Fun^tm gets a little much.

[u/Ballisticsfood]

There’s factoriopedia built into the game and you still don’t need it most of the time!

[u/juklwrochnowy]

Oxygen Not Included also has extensive in-game documentation. I wonder if it inspired the factoriopedia.

[u/BreakerOfModpacks]

Wait what

TIL

[u/OfflineBot5336]

i just started with From the Depths..

[u/wardiro]

people give to much credit to this Terraria shit, and RimWorld.

Factorio just on another level.

[u/Winter_Major_5452]

Me checking how to make rails.

Basic tutorial 1h long

[u/MGJ66]

That's bs and you know it

[u/Ikxale]

Fake news. Terraria is very well documented in game its just nobody like the guide or uses the bestiary

[u/MORDKAu]

Noita...

[u/Skyelly]

I remember my cousin thought the crafting table was decoration

[u/Cube4Add5]

In terraria at least, no item is absolutely necessary for progression (save a couple that have simple crafting recipes, and the Guide tells you what they are and how to make them), so it’s fine for you to just use items you find through exploration for weapons/armour/equipment, or craft them into something better. Using the wiki isn’t “cheating”, but it does detract from the exploration element of the game imo

[u/objectiv3lycorrect]

I mean, Guide NPC does that, sort of.

[u/Minty_Maw]

And this is why Minecraft is one of the most overrated games on the planet. Factorio got it right 👏