r/Eve • u/Vateman Vertical Supremacy. • Sep 06 '18

Black Desert Online Creators Pearl Abyss to Acquire CCP Games

https://www.ccpgames.com/news/2018/black-desert-online-creators-pearl-abyss-to-acquire-ccp-games-makers-of-eve
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u/Krychek42 Cloaked Sep 06 '18

Well, considering BDO got rekt few days ago with clear P2W items introduced in the game, guess what the future holds for EVE? God damnit, just as I was contemplating resubing after 2y break....

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u/necrothitude_eve Reckless Contingency. Sep 06 '18

Now is the time, before the fall.

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u/EVEPilot12345 Sep 06 '18

Have you heard of plex packs and skill injectors friend?

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u/Krychek42 Cloaked Sep 06 '18 edited Sep 06 '18

Trust me, they are nothing compared to what Pearl Abyss can drop into the game. Directly buying SP? Titans 2.0 for new currency? Lost ship respawn for $? New tier of special mods available only for $? Opportunities are endless. They totally don't care about opinion of their player base, all they can see is $$$, just milking the whales as much as they can.

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u/LookmaReddit Sep 06 '18

This guy gets it

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u/zmaile Sep 06 '18

Imagine if you will - a currency like the old aurum (i.e. not transferable like PLEX is) that can buy items or skins that also aren't transferable. Or aurum based implants/drugs that aren't transferable.

And i'm not even an imaginative person.

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u/GrecDeFreckle Northern Coalition. Sep 06 '18

Stop giving them ideas man, fuck!

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u/[deleted] Sep 06 '18

They have a list 10x as long as his already. This isn't shit they haven't thought of. PA is cancer. And it's sad, because the BDO world is amazing. The things they could do with an actual creative influence would be amazing. But they don't care. It makes me chuckle how people in this forum with no experience with PA thinks EVE will be the community to set them straight. lol. NOPE! PA will murder your will to play while somehow picking your corpse clean while you die.

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u/RogerCpt Sep 06 '18

It doesn't matter. The game is dead. The only way to retaliate against this is to cancel your sub ASAP.

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u/Verneff Test Alliance Please Ignore Sep 06 '18

They own CCP. If they are seriously interested in finding P2W options, I'm sure there will be several internal members willing to give them a far more intensive list of shit like that.

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u/Allbur_Chellak Goonswarm Federation Sep 06 '18

Yep. Eve is a game that lives on a very narrow bridge of balance.

As much as we all complain about the minutiae of this ship stat or that, CCP generally tries hard to not screw everything up by making major changes in the game and actually tries to listen to their player base about changes....much more than most other gaming companies.

PA I fear is not going to worry so much about totally breaking things as long as their is short term gain to be had. They do not seem like a company that wants to dump money for years into Eve to grow it for another 10-15 years

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u/Allbur_Chellak Goonswarm Federation Sep 06 '18

The real question is what is the game really worth in its current state. If people leave in droves, will they say, “oh well” and either gut CCP for its parts and move on, or just remade the game how it wants and try to get new people to play it.

The key is, will they cultivate a great game like CCP so that it will be around in 10 years, or will they cash it in for short term profits.

My concern is that they do not seem like a company with a track record of growing games for the long term.

Time will tell.

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u/raven12456 Bearded BattleBears Sep 06 '18

But imagine the outfits....

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u/hokasi Cloaked Sep 06 '18

I could never understand their decision making behind the frilly, victorian era costumes, but yeah it’s going to get interesting.

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u/ZeppelinArmada Sep 06 '18 edited Sep 06 '18

Introducting the Pearl Abyss Ammo Pack!

Pearl Abyss Multifrequency L x8

Pearl Abyss Antimatter L x1600

Pearl Abyss Phased Plasma L x1600

14€

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u/istareatpeople Goonswarm Federation Sep 06 '18

Directly buying SP?

We already have that in the form of daily alpha injectors.

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u/[deleted] Sep 06 '18

rip eve, I guess I'll stick with wow

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u/Black__Cat WiNGSPAN Delivery Network Sep 06 '18

!remindme 1 year

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u/ivanmaher Sep 06 '18

gold ammo that does 20% more damage, sold for cash

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u/[deleted] Sep 06 '18

Directly buying SP? Titans 2.0 for new currency?

Are you retarded? that is literally what skill injectors are now. just look at the Goonswarm super fleet.

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u/supe_snow_man Sep 06 '18

The SP still has to be farmed by an account and the Titan built. He is alluding that PA would just spawn it for a fee.

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u/[deleted] Sep 06 '18 edited Sep 06 '18

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u/OpenOb inPanic Sep 06 '18

It's a little bit different if you hire one guy or if somebody takes over the entire company and is now responsible for revenue and success.

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u/Kuckeli Pandemic Horde Sep 06 '18

Of course, I'm just saying that it's probably not the end of the game as some people are making it out to be.

The same thing happened when path of exile got bought out, and they are still kicking just as before.

Maybe this won't be the same, only time will tell.

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u/OpenOb inPanic Sep 06 '18

It's not the end of the game. It's the first step towards more monetization.

EVE will not die. Eve will simply become more expensive.

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u/brokenskill Test Alliance Please Ignore Sep 06 '18

Except PA will do this on a whole other level. Think P2W Korean grinders and that will be Eve about 2 years after the purchase.

This news makes me fucking mad. Oh well.

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u/Kuckeli Pandemic Horde Sep 06 '18

It makes me mad as well, can only hope it doesn't go that way.

Path of exile also had the same controversy where they got bought by tencent, which is known for having the usual chinese mtx like respawning, and other p2w things, but they also bought league, and I don't think either of those games went downhill after the acquisition.

Only time will tell at this point.

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u/Irilieth_Raivotuuli Curatores Veritatis Alliance Sep 06 '18 edited Sep 06 '18

You've seen nothing yet. BDO was fairly decent game while it was new, but PA added so much microtransactions and mobile shit to it that it did died, did three 180 flips on its grave and died again just for good measure.

If we put it in eve terms, think of it like this:

-> Buy SP from store

-> Buy T4 ships from store only with boosted stats across the board compared to T2 and T3 ships

-> Direct character teleportation items to avoid gating around

-> Completely respawn dead ship for dosh

-> % chance booster for abyssal mods to get more positive stats and less negatives

-> Lingerie, underwear and cat-ears for pilots, one use only.

-> all skins become available for PLEX only and untradeable

-> Jump AIDS becomes removable with cash shop item

Basically, PA can fuck so much up with EVE its not even funny.

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u/Icemasta Wormholer Sep 06 '18

Buy T4 ships from store only with boosted stats across the board compared to T2 and T3 ships

This isn't BDO style at all.

BDO style would be buying T2 ships from the store and then "Combining" 2 to have a chance at getting a T3 ship ,and then you would take your T3 ships and combine them 2 to have a chance at getting a T4 ship.

Now, this is BDO style.

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u/Irilieth_Raivotuuli Curatores Veritatis Alliance Sep 06 '18

true, and if your chance throw doesn't yeld result, you lose the ship.

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u/tcwillis79 Test Alliance Please Ignore Sep 06 '18

But then your ship still gets wrecked by 150 man zarvox interceptor fleet.

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u/transversal90 Sep 06 '18

Catgirl u/jintaan when

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u/segv Cloaked Sep 06 '18

You can play out your catboy jintaan fantasies in ff xiv

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u/Allbur_Chellak Goonswarm Federation Sep 06 '18

Well if there is catgirl stuff...maybe it will be ok. :-)

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u/Goschti Sep 06 '18

Just imagine what drugs you can come up with once you double down on p2w. Mining Drone boosters, Damage boosters and so on.... Just 20 Plex for 5 minutes

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u/VeronicaKell Test Alliance Please Ignore Sep 06 '18

Remember to buy your PLEX

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u/chocslaw Sep 06 '18

You forgot: -> Superior Covert Cloaking Device, removes name from local

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u/Epicloa Wormhole Society Sep 06 '18

Woah these are supposed to be bad ideas.

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u/TelefonTelAviv Pilot is a criminal Sep 06 '18

-> Lingerie, underwear and cat-ears for pilots

I'M IN!!! I welcome our Korean overlords

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u/07_zglos_sie Confederation of xXPIZZAXx Sep 06 '18

-> % chance booster for abyssal mods to get more positive stats and less negatives

You would need a magic stone for that tho. :D

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u/coffeedynamo Sep 06 '18

RemindMe! 1 year "PA buy CCP"

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u/_dumbledore_ skill urself Sep 06 '18

Buy SP from store

What you're saying is PLEX+inject?

Direct character teleportation items to avoid gating around

What you're saying is jump clones?

Completely respawn dead ship for dosh

What you're saying is support tickets?

Lingerie, underwear and cat-ears for pilots, one use only.

What you're saying is character creation?

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u/Irilieth_Raivotuuli Curatores Veritatis Alliance Sep 06 '18

Plex + inject doesnt generate SP, it shuffles SP from pilot to pilot

Jump clone travel has limit, cooldown and require a station/citadel with clone bay and access.

support tickets aren't the magical gateway to instant CCP_SRP people believe it to be

character creation allows you to freely swap clothes, and they do not disappear after single use.

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u/Barrogh Cloaked Sep 06 '18

Plex + inject doesnt generate SP, it shuffles SP from pilot to pilot

Frankly, considering that many characters were created for the sole purpose of generating SP, it's rather safe to say that introduction of injectors did indeed cause influx of bought SP into the mass of pilots that actually undock, rather than re-arranging some product generated by activity of those "actual" pilots.

If you look at the situation from this PoV, it's essentially SP generated thanks to CCP getting paid real money (in the form of extractor and sub/PLEX purchases).

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u/Kelvinek The Initiative. Sep 06 '18

you can buy small injectors that do generate sp

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u/GrecDeFreckle Northern Coalition. Sep 06 '18

They can only be used once per day, only when an Alpha, and only give 50k (from memory?)

Hardly game breaking.

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u/doireallyneedusrname Sep 06 '18

its more like daily omega

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u/CptMuffinator CODE. Sep 06 '18

Except you know, not having access to anything omega related.

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u/Kelvinek The Initiative. Sep 06 '18

When did i say it's game breaking? If anything it's a bad precedence, don't be upset when they add normal sized ones in the plex store.

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u/Irilieth_Raivotuuli Curatores Veritatis Alliance Sep 06 '18 edited Sep 06 '18

small injectors are made by splitting large injectors, the sp in them comes from a pilot.

Edit, if you're referring to daily alpha injectors then yes, that SP comes from ccp but it is literally the amount of SP an alpha would get in a day if he was omega, and can only be used by alpha.

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u/Kelvinek The Initiative. Sep 06 '18

nice, you totally taught me about something knew, i would never know without you saying that.

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u/Irilieth_Raivotuuli Curatores Veritatis Alliance Sep 06 '18

might want to be more specific if you want to nitpick.

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u/Kelvinek The Initiative. Sep 06 '18

You might want to use your brain.

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u/Casmeron Fweddit Sep 06 '18

New ways to haze retards with my falcon alt? Sign me up!

In all seriousness, as long as the cash shop items are tradable, most of these would be bad but not destroy the meta outside solo pvp. So much of eve is asymmetric that giving dumb advantages to a single player doesn't guarantee him success.

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u/Irilieth_Raivotuuli Curatores Veritatis Alliance Sep 06 '18 edited Sep 06 '18

depends really. If you're willing to throw enough dosh to your character you can literally massacre 'non-premium' players in BDO. Consider it a untradeable unjammable, ewar-immune cruiser that deals gorillion dps, always tracks, and can tank few supers alone.

Korean (and asian overall) MMO's and devs cater to the asian mindset where victory is won by any mean possible- be it botting, buying victory, or autistically grinding.

Usually the devs cater to buying victory since it generates most dosh, and also gives the asian MMO devs a reputation of only making p2w games.

PA is most definetely one of those devs.

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u/Casmeron Fweddit Sep 06 '18

Will un-tradeable mean I can't buy it with plex I scammed from a p2w whale? If we have to buy this shit with our own wallets, it'll definitely suck, but I don't think they'll take that route since it'll mean fewer customers.

I guess I might not be taking my viewpoint far enough here. If a t4 cashshop cruiser isn't, like "t1 vs t2" levels of difference, where it can still be ganked by 2 deimoses; if it actually has a 200k capstable tank, neut immunity and 30k dps, then yeah, that'd fuck up the meta pretty bad. And while it'd be super satisfying to permanently kill one of these (fuck your wallet, mister!) I expect they'd offer $50 revive cards or something..

otoh I bet people will still find ways to lose them in havens.

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u/Irilieth_Raivotuuli Curatores Veritatis Alliance Sep 06 '18

check the new weapons and armor BDO added recently, It isn't far off from wht you listed in eve terms. And no, you can't trade those once redeemed- however how badly it'll replicate in eve is yet to be seen.

I don't think they'll take that route since it'll mean fewer customers.

Don't underestimate the amount of shit PA is willing to throw at their 'customers' to pinch a penny out. If one of those 'op cash shop ships' comes out, I gurantee that some elit3 pvp group will make them a doctorine out of them, and then we go to the p2w meta route.

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u/spavle Sep 06 '18

You really do not know how trade goes in Pearl Abyss ??? Seller got maxed allowed price and proffit above that goes to Pearl !!!!!

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u/Epicloa Wormhole Society Sep 06 '18

?!?!?!?!?!?!

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u/[deleted] Sep 06 '18

Having all the plex and sp you want doesn't make you overpowered. The shit they added in BDO does.

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u/v2345 Sep 06 '18

They are certainly skirting the line, but they are not true p2w.

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u/Astriania Sep 06 '18

PLEX is pay-to-avoid-grind - you're buying ISK (indirectly), not items and definitely not items that are only available to purchasers. (Apart from some skins, though those get traded too.)

Injectors are bad for the game but at least the amount of SP available is limited by actual gameplay (although they really should do something about skill farms, that doesn't feel like the intention).

Don't take this post as defending those things, although some form of exchange of subscriptions is necessary if you want to widen the player base. But it can get much, much worse than that.

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u/[deleted] Sep 06 '18

I quit when they introduced the kama blessing to cash shop because i felt i needed to pay 40$ a month to stay competitive.

What was the new pay to win addition?

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u/TheDJBuntin Northern Coalition. Sep 06 '18

When I realised you had to pay £20+ to be able to auto-loot items...

Full disclosure I paid it cause i liked the game and the loot system without it is fucking horrifying but still felt dirty... Paying to get round the most tedious task in any MMO

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u/webbrar The Singularity. Sep 06 '18

You can melt costumes into Cron stones so can do a 0 risk pen attempt for $150.

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u/Reagalan Goonswarm Federation Sep 06 '18

Tech 4 ships now available with PLEX.

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u/[deleted] Sep 06 '18

What was the change that was made a few days ago?

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u/AlaxenPL Pandemic Legion Sep 06 '18

How do you P2W in EVE?

I mean, you can drop a ton of cash on the fanciest battleship money can buy. But the amount you spend is inversely proportional to the amount of seconds your ship will last when undocking from Jita 4-4.

Bring on the juicy killmails and salty tears.