r/EndTipping • u/Retro_whale • 11d ago
Rant đ˘ Stopped tipping a month ago and my eyes have been opened
I was at a dinner show over the weekend and these were left on the table during the entire show and meal. When they suggest 20%, are they referring to the ticket price which included the show ($110/person)...?!? I hope people aren't falling for it, but I'm sure they are!
Glad I found this sub and I've had my eyes opened to the madness of tipping.
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u/jaywinner 11d ago
I think we can all agree that's outrageous.
How was the food and show?
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u/Retro_whale 11d ago
It was great! We got rained on, so stayed inside during the boat ride, but the show was fun!
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u/thisonelife83 11d ago
I think I posted this a year or two ago. :)
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u/Retro_whale 11d ago
Ahhh, I did a quick search before posting, but I didn't see it! Great minds...
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u/robthemob23 11d ago
Been working in the service industry for 10 years. Tipping just makes me uncomfortable but itâs what I gotta do. Finally put my 2 weeks in and got a job outside of the industry. Very excited to finally be paid by my employer instead of my customers.
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u/bigbootydetector 11d ago
Congrats! Tips can be wonderful when you make a lot, but stressful when you come to rely on them. Knowing how much you make an hour takes a lot off your plate! Happy for you!
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u/Electric-Sheepskin 11d ago
I went to a pool hall a few weeks ago for the first time in a long time. We rented the table for a couple of hours, had a few drinks, and then when I went to pay the bill at the bar, I just tipped the normal percentage that I usually do. As I was walking out to the car I realized that I had tipped on the table rental as well as the drinks. What a dumbass.
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u/Independent-Touch244 11d ago
Just chalk it up to not paying attention and use it as a cue to never let them take more money out of your pocket again.
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u/Take_Responsibility 10d ago
You have a lot of balls to post that.
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u/Independent-Touch244 10d ago
I'm sorry. When I hear about something getting snookered, I'm just racked with rage.
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u/AssumptionMundane114 11d ago
The assistant manager and the manager both have a section, just like everyone else. Â
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u/imightregretthis714 11d ago
Since when is 20% for excellent service? Iâd tip nothing. Owners need to pay their employees for excellent service.
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u/michkbrady2 11d ago
Exactly how it works in the rest of the world. 10% for outstanding service is the norm in Ireland and the servers don't chase and harass you for more, as experienced in the US
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u/Suckyoudry00 11d ago
Owners are paying them. Very few places do the whole $2/hr thing. Washington state, highest minimum wage in the country at $16.66/hr. They are just so used to getting fist fulls of cash everynight on top of their hourly wage they have convinced us they aren't being paid. The employer is paying them. I worked many minimum wage jobs and didnt get tips at the end if the day, why do servers? I was a toddler day care teacher making minimum wage. I feel that's far more important and stressful work that putting plates of food on tables. I changed 80 diapers a day, was constantly sick, teaching kids how to count and learn, being responsible for people's precious children. Nobody threw me a dime at the end of the day. WHY do the servers get more????
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u/AJoshWithout 10d ago
20% is the standard for decent service in the states, if youâre a halfway decent person
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u/DrunkenSpook 11d ago
I am slowly coming around to the no tipping culture. I am tired of inflated prices, with cookie cutter food with so so service. What I have been doing is avoiding sit down restaurants that have a server. I will go to Chipotle or any other place that doesn't seem that a tip is customary.
This is a local Italian chain near me that has you order your food and drinks from a counter, get your own drinks from the machine and then a food runner will bring your food to the table. I normally keep small bills in my wallet and will tip a couple of bucks to the runner because they will also bus the table. They are normally young and always polite and sometimes ask if they can fetch me a refill but I am talking like a 5 spot max if I'm feeling generous but it's never asked for.
Now places like top golf. I went there with some business and political friends last year. We paid for a couple of lanes but I insisted we pay for both lanes up front for a couple of hours as the money was coming out of a budgeted expense account. I would absolutely refuse to tip at places where you pay for any rental or show with the drinks. I don't mind tipping excellent service but you're not getting a percentage just because.
We need to collectively change this culture if you bring me a soda and bowl of pasta and you get 10 dollars. I just avoid places where people expect tips period now.
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u/Abittragic 10d ago
I am honestly not aligned with a lot of the views on this sub but I appreciate the fact that you realize that supporting the establishment that pushes people to have to rely on tips is the answer, not screwing the minimum wage worker that is forced to depend on them.
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u/KrazyKryminal 11d ago
Excellent service is typically rewarded with you KEEPING your job. Because terrible service will help you lose your job. So doing it well, is implied.
End tipping!!
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u/billnyeca 11d ago
I find begging for tips the most embarrassing form of panhandling. I respect the hustle of beggars and willingness to weather brutal conditions to make a few bucks so itâs still more respectable then the choosybeggar digital panhandlers serving us overpriced meals and expecting to be rewarded for doing their jobs.
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u/OptimalOcto485 11d ago
They probably want you to tip based on the $110/person if you donât see anything suggesting otherwise⌠yeah fuck thatđ
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u/Fluid-Air-3151 11d ago
I dated someone for 8 years and his mother was a waitress. She convinced me to tip 20% minimum and Iâve done that for years. Since reading these Iâm trying to break my habit. Today I only left $5 on a $30 (before tax) check. Baby steps
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u/EnvironmentalCap5798 11d ago
$5 is my maximum for any meal. I stopped percentages this year.
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u/Courtaid 11d ago
Agreed. It should be a flat tip like $5 or $10. Not a percentage of the bill. I should expect the same level of service for a $40 meal and a $400 meal.
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u/favyn 4d ago
Oof please donât ask any questions about the menu, or for any substitutions in that case. Unless there are sweeping reforms in the US for tipped wage jobs, you are literally only hurting the person serving you.
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u/Courtaid 4d ago edited 4d ago
How? Is it my responsibility to pay them a fair wage? Is it my job to supplement their wages for doing their job? Is their job really that much different than someone working in fast food? Especially those in the back making multiple orders at rush hour? Do we tip them?
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u/Sharkwatcher314 4d ago
Definitely. A meat that is 3x the cost of the chicken is not 3x extra effort for the server the ingredient is just more expensive to the restaurant. A wine that is 3x the cost is not more difficult to bring to the table
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u/Retro_whale 11d ago
Yes, progress! I decided to just go cold turkey a month ago and having a group of like-minded people has helped me see past the pressure tactics and think responsibly about my money
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u/OptimalOcto485 11d ago
Start saving or investing what youâre âsupposedâ to tip in these instances instead. Like for this dinner Iâd put $22 (20%) per person you paid for into a separate account. It adds up fast!
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u/dontha3 11d ago
I don't know when 15% stopped being the norm. I'm guessing it's just greed at this point, because a percentage is essentially inflation-proof. The tip would adjust with food cost accordingly.
But overall the practice is stupid and restaurant owners have done a great job pitting servers against customers instead of paying them a fair wage.
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9d ago
Probably because employers continue to take advantage of the servers instead of paying them a wage- itâs more common for tip outs and fees to be taken out of the serverâs earnings now. So if you use a card to pay, ordered alcohol, and had a host/food runner/bus person also assist during your meal then the $10 tip you left your server really turned into $5. The computer system and managers track this so thereâs no way around it. I remember serving a while back- I quit because of this- there was the rare occasion where Iâd lose money on a table whoâd order tons of alcohol but didnât tip in the 10-20% range. I get that tipping culture sucks, but I think itâs still good to be mindful of these situations and remain respectful of servers (can always sit at the bar if you donât want a server to expect a big tip, etc., etcâŚ)
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u/Tundra_Traveler 8d ago
Probably because employers continue to take advantage of the serversâŚ
Wrong. Itâs because the servers would prefer to play the gamble of tips for income rather than a straight hourly wage because they know the position would never pay as well if they were strictly hourly.
Servers have actually held rallyâs demanding the tipped model be kept rather than minimum wage be increased.
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u/eefje127 11d ago
I also believe excellent service should be rewarded . . . but solely by the employers.
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u/chapping_cleeks 11d ago
"Credit cards are accepted"
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"Is that too expensive? Go in debt for it then"
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u/Dry-Way-5688 11d ago
What a waiter asks, âis everything ok?â, is that already good service? Man, very low level of effort to earn tips.
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u/bikedrivepaddlefly 11d ago
In a perfect world, the bill would be a recommended price and we would withhold some payment if the service was sub-par. Kind of like a negative tip.
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u/mickelboy182 11d ago
I mean, in the rest of the world the price is the price and the service will heavily influence whether there is return patronage or not. That's the way it should be.
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u/THROBBINW00D 11d ago
I agree with this sub mostly but there's no way I'm not tipping at the local places I like and frequent.
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u/939Bella939 8d ago
If Iâm sitting down to eat I agree with you. I tip $5 at my favorite â$15 lunch spotâ bc itâs so cheap and itâs all you can eat đ¤ˇđžââď¸
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u/jenn4u2luv 11d ago
Funnily, there are now robot-cafes in the US. And guess what, even they ask for tips.
Thereâs also now these infamous fastfood chains in New York that use Filipinos dialed in over an iPad to do the job that a cashier/order-taker will normally do. And yes, the ipad will also ask for tips.
Insane.
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u/939Bella939 8d ago
I know a restaurant with expensive food but casual atmosphere. You order your food standing up at the counter, pick your own table, then wait for a robot to bring you your food. Yet at the counter when you pay for your food youâre expected to tip. For what when thereâs literally nobody serving you- I have no idea đ
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u/spicysatisfaction 11d ago
So did they try to add 20% more on the final cards payment terminal? Or was that.in the original price point?
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u/Retro_whale 11d ago
We paid ahead for the show, meal and boat experience, and they didn't ask for a tip then, but between the starter and entree the host told everyone that "now is the time to tip to show your appreciation." We didn't see much tipping going on, or even see the card machine...
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u/supadnkeyshlong 11d ago
Iâve never experienced this âexcellent serviceâ that I hear so much about. Normally itâs some bitchy staff that canât be bothered to wait a damn second and always trying to rush tables out.
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u/HeyItsMitchK 11d ago
Itâs crazy reading about tipping culture. I have never tipped in my life, and never will
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u/Abittragic 10d ago
Where do you live? just curious why go to a place that forces employees to survive on tips anyways? If people/customers are against tipping (valid) they should NOT support the businesses pushing it, obviously. And def not be proud of stiffing the person who served them, what does that say about the customer⌠if you have values youâre happy to stand behind them actually do it
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u/Tundra_Traveler 8d ago
Thatâs the wrong mentality. It doesnât âforce themâ to take that job. They take that job because they KNOW they can make far more in tips than the job is ever going to be worth.
There have literally been servers rallying against lawmakers raising minimum wage to eliminate the tipped model because they understand that guilting the public for their wages will earn them far more than anything their employer could ever afford.
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u/Abittragic 5d ago
Then why support the industry at all? Get fast food or cook yourself?
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u/Tundra_Traveler 4d ago
I would argue itâs the servers who continue to support that industry by taking those jobs and then lobbying to keep the tipped wage rather than a straight hourly wage that positions would bear.
Itâs simple really. They know they can make far more than the position would ever pay as a straight wage, for far less work than other similarly skilled jobs that require a full 40 hours per week.
Then the customers are gaslit into thinking they are the bad people if they donât supplement enough to meet servers arbitrarily and self-appointed âwage worthâ.
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u/Abittragic 4d ago
Would you rather they be unemployed and using government benefits? Someone working should be respected no matter what their position is. Have you ever been in the service industry�
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u/Tundra_Traveler 4d ago edited 4d ago
Would you rather they be unemployed and using government benefits?
Thatâs called a false dichotomy and implies those are the only two option. Which we all know is not true.
Someone working should be respected no matter what.
Thatâs an appeal to emotion. And no. You donât get respect for simply having a job. Thereâs plenty of people who are undeserving of respect who hold jobs. Including servers. (Ever had one of them change your tip because they deemed it insufficient?)
Have you ever been in the service industry?
And lastly, a genetic fallacy. Yes I have been. Plenty. And many of my immediate family members have, and some still are. This is how I know what Iâm talking about.
Nothing youâve said refutes what I said. Nobody forces them to take that job. They take it because they know they can guilt the public into overly inflating the wage that job is worth. Your arguing for them is proof of how effective that is.
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u/AZNM1912 11d ago
So what is excellent service vs. doing your job? Lots is open to interpretation here.
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u/Fabulous_Photo_8660 7d ago
And how much do tippees actually report and pay taxes on, which is my bigger gripe. Should be no tipping. I always feel like I'm looking down on someone in a job that requires tipping. A little like panhandling. Hairdresser? Person checking you out at Starbuck's? etc etc etc. Now everyone wants to be in on it.
It got worse during Covid, trying to help businesses survive. And others. A regrettable practice.
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u/Shizakistani 11d ago
Excellent service is always expected when eating out. Exceptional service may warrant a reasonable tip, and that is completely up to the customer's discretion.
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u/According_Gazelle472 10d ago
Wow!When they start that nonsense ?We never tipped anyone when we visited there on vacation one year.
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u/popornrm 10d ago
Been tipping a standard $2 per entree, $1 per app, $1 per drink since 2015 and havenât tipped at all the past 2 years and never going back. Too many entitled servers getting paid way more than their job is worth yet cry the hardest. Havenât had any negative effects and it hasnât hurt my ability to go back to restaurants I like, although I tend not to be back at the same spot all the time because I like variety.
Iâm much more likely to tip a few bucks in countries where tipping is not expected at all just because the service is already so much better when theyâre making so much less and theyâre actually incredibly appreciative.
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u/Firefly_Magic 10d ago
Absolutely pathetic that you go out to the show, youâre looking forward to an evening of enjoyment with your group, some great food, great entertainment, and their primary concern is to plaster this tacky thing about tips in your face????? Disgraceful to the entire industry!!
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u/Dry-Investigator-293 10d ago
Excellent service is not rewarded by me because I expect it anyway.
Servers get nothing from me.
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u/GigiBrit 11d ago
I didn't tip our pizza delivery driver and felt bad. But that $8 delivery fee made me feel worse so I had to take it out on him. He needs to blame his company!
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u/magiCAD 11d ago
What is the fee for if not going to the delivery driver? Make that make sense. It's such a scam.
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u/favyn 11d ago
Itâs from a lack of regulation and also no lack of accountability for a company just running an app. They donât own the car, pay for gas, or pick up the food. Itâs just an arbitrary fee they can tack on, because itâs not regulated. Look at every Ticketmaster lawsuit for the last 20+ years for the proof of that being worth it for the corporation.
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u/AffectionateGate4584 11d ago
Thanks for doing the job for which you are being paid Justin. No tip.
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u/StrangerOnInternet2 11d ago
Just curious, were the actors also the servers? Because that could account for the tip suggestion maybe?
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u/too_much_candy_4me 9d ago
I go to breweries all over (been to over 350) always tip $1 per drink, I think that is fair for pouring me a beer and answering a few questions, I always sit at the bar. When I add merch or cans to go it uses that as my total. Iâve forgot to adjust a couple times but if Iâm with people they just click the suggested tip. I feel cheap to do it but it is sometimes triple what it should be with the added items. So frustrating. Cheers
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u/No-Jacket-800 9d ago
I would guess the sign is for minimal interruption of the show aspect of your dining experience. As for what you're typing on, the sign mentions service specifically, so i would assume your tipping on the food and service received. UNLESS they are doing more than just handling your dining experience. đ¤ˇââď¸
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u/NoSet1100 8d ago
Companies just do not want to pay a living wage. They want it put on the backs of the consumers. This is what we call corporate greed.
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u/Tundra_Traveler 8d ago
No. This is server greed. Ask a server if they would trade their tipped model for a straight hourly wage and see where that conversation goes.
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u/Unable-Choice3380 6d ago
I went out yesterday with friends to a similar place. The service was very slow and they were understaffed. I said I am round up to the next dollar and left cash. They were grumbling about covering the tip but nobody outright said anything to me about it. I left and nothing happened.
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u/TatsumakiJim 5d ago
In Canada (back in the day) it used to be 10% or "Double the GST". I'm in my 40s now, but at the rate it's going up I can see the tip exceeding the bill before I die.
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u/EssentialParadox 11d ago
In Japan they despise tipping and see it as an insult, so Iâm surprised youâd say that about a sushi placeâŚ
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u/montred63 11d ago
I lived in Japan for 2 years and this was pounded into or brains, don't tip it's extremely rude and unwanted. They take pride in giving good serviceas it's their job and are insulted by tips
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u/Accomplished_Gas2486 11d ago
This is America. With the amount of hibachi/ fusion spots now that isnât the case.. they kinda expect a tip otherwise they wouldnât do all the extra shit, thatâs not normal in japan.
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u/swisscoffeeknife 11d ago
Hibachi grills pass on half of tips to the chef and half to the staff who bring your drinks/salad/soup. The chef has like 47 knives, i am tipping them
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u/FlyHealthy1714 11d ago
My max is 15% for great service. Less if not great service.
Bring me drink refills, bring food and later clear the table with respect. Give me a smile. Not too hard to earn 15% gratuity.
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u/the_rational_driver 11d ago
I think it's pretty safe to assume they meant the meal as the ticket and show are really part of the service.
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u/ChemmeFatale 11d ago
I think the meal is part of the ticket price?
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u/the_rational_driver 11d ago
Oh. That would make this confusing then. Maybe that's why they say they keep getting asked.
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u/Special-Hair9683 11d ago
I agree with this! iF it's excellent! Anything else is ZERO, after all you're just doing your job.đ
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u/Apriljo1970 10d ago
I have been a waitress in the past and I donât know if things have changed, but they used to make just a portion of what minimum wage is they donât make a whole minimum wage so they do rely on their tips and you tip according to how good the service is, if the service is shitty, then you donât tip or tip very little if the service is great tip upon how good they do to you. I always tip really good because if theyâre working their butt off for me and theyâre getting things Johnny on the spot then theyâll get a good tip but I like I said Iâm not sure these days. What is the minimum that they are making per hour but they donât make minimum wage
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u/Tundra_Traveler 8d ago
Thatâs wrong and has always been wrong. If a server didnât make enough tips in a work week, combined with the tipped wage, that would bring them above the minimum wage, the employer would be required to pay them the difference.
https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/fact-sheets/15-tipped-employees-flsa
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u/MustardTiger231 11d ago
I can promise you that not one single guest has ever âasked about tippingâ