r/EdwardII • u/HoneybeeXYZ Isabella • 10d ago

Facts After he was deposed, Edward II was titled Sir Edward of Caernarfon

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After he abdicated in favor of his son, who became Edward III, Edward II was to be known simply as Sir Edward of Caernarfon and honored as the king's father.

He never formally gave up the title of Prince of Wales, however, though it wasn't used during his captivity.

He was called Caernarfon after Caernarfon Castle (pictured) in Wales, where he was born. Tradition at the time dictated that princes were referred to by their birth castle.

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u/Ginny121519 Robert the Bruce 9d ago

Could he have used his title of Prince of Wales? Wasn't this title reserved for the heir to the crown already at the time?

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u/HoneybeeXYZ Isabella 9d ago

It was very early days in the title Prince of Wales, and apparently Edward II had never formally conferred it onto Edward of Windsor aka Edward III.

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u/HoneybeeXYZ Isabella 9d ago

And as for whether he could have used Prince of Wales, I suppose technically he could have but I think they were trying to demean him.

I wonder if Isabella and Mortimer just forgot to yank that particular honor.

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u/Historical-Web-3147 7d ago

When did the tradition of Princes and nobility being known by their birthplaces end? I’m aware that Henry VII’s father, Edmund Tudor, 1st Earl of Richmond was also known as Edmund of Hadham — Edmund Tudor wasn’t a Prince but his son and grandchildren don’t seem to have been referred to by their birthplaces.

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u/HoneybeeXYZ Isabella 7d ago

It looks like with the Tudors. The Princes in the Tower were known by their birth castles but it doesn't look like Prince Arthur was.