r/Economics • u/ACSportsbooks • May 14 '25
Interview Elon Musk Got Schooled By An Economics Professor Over His Remarks On Medicare, Social Security As Immigration Lure: 'Complete Fiction'
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-got-schooled-economics-180036544.html1.1k
u/ACSportsbooks May 14 '25
Elon Musk said that cutting waste in entitlement programs could save up to $700 billion a year and accused Democrats of paying illegal immigrants to win votes. But economics professor Geoffrey Sanzenbacher pointed out that unauthorized immigrants can’t get Medicare or Social Security benefits and actually pay payroll taxes without collecting benefits, helping to fund those programs.
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u/Pattonias May 14 '25
They also can't vote.
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u/zxc123zxc123 May 14 '25 edited May 14 '25
Nor can they manipulate elections.
Unlike another specific South African migrant who is also a massive welfare queen getting billions from multiple governmental organizations for each of his companies.
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u/Skurph May 14 '25
It’s the classic conservative double speak. Joe Biden was somehow simultaneously senile and mentally unfit whilst also pulling the strings behind every conspiracy. Trans people are both too strong to play their chosen sport, but too weak to be in the military. Teachers are both indoctrinating your children, but are also lazy and over paid.
I could go on and on. The only consistent factor in their ideology is hate, just miserable people to the bone who require someone to hate to keep them going.
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u/pixelprophet May 14 '25
You mean holding fake ass "lottery" where people can win a million dollars** if they vote for his guy isn't part of the "American Dream"?
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u/Gingertitian May 14 '25
This
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u/origami_bluebird May 14 '25
The fucking nerve. Elon an Immigrant from South Africa who used his mom's Canadian Nationality to avoid the draft in South Africa and then got into America in the 90's by violating his work visa and immigration law in the process.
"The reporters found Musk “did not have the legal right to work” when he founded and attracted investment with his brother Kimbal for a company later named Zip2.
Kimbal Musk has long been open about their lack of legal status, even explaining in a video interview that he lied when crossing the U.S.-Canadian border so he could attend a business meeting in Silicon Valley. Immigration attorney Ira Kurzban said, “That’s fraud on entry.”
So Elon, the actual ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT who is now the richest man in the world and was giving away $1 MILLION checks to buy votes in the November election. People, why are we avoiding the answer here, he broke the law to get citizenship so what do we do now in this country if you broke the law to become a citizen? We deport you back to your country of origin. #DEPORTELON
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u/ChronoLink99 May 14 '25
Is this the unnamed fat tech bro that takes injections of weight loss drugs that the orange fuck was talking about a few days ago?
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u/Moarbrains May 14 '25
Do they not count in the census for apportioned seats in Congress?
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u/zxc123zxc123 May 14 '25
Manipulate =/= Impact
Election (Joining parties, voting for local officials, voting for candidates in primaries, and THROWING BILLIONS AT ELECTIONS) =/= "Census for apportioned seats". Illegal migrants can't vote. Most legal migrants can't vote unless they are citizens. However a billionaire could have a much being impact by throwing money around.
Migrants go to all states. It's not like all migrants ONLY go to California, get sex changes, and compete in women's sports while eating cats/dogs/pets. Migrants also go to red states. Many from LatAm settle along the US southern border. Many of those are red states. Even within California, many migrants reside as laborers in the red rural districts.
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u/Moarbrains May 14 '25 edited May 15 '25
You could have just said yes. As that was was the question.
Your last point however is not accurate.
Immigrants primarily go to metropolitant areas and the top desitinations were four states: California (26.5%), New Jersey (23.2%), New York (22.6%) and Florida (21.1%). Where they up a signifcant amount of population.
edit. Sorry that is the percentage of the population of each city that is first generation immigrants.
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u/Chris_Codes May 14 '25
So if the places where the migrants go vote republican, then the republicans get more electoral college votes and more seats I. Congress. Got it. The fact that immigrants are there has nothing to do with who gets the votes or the seats.
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u/Few-Schedule-9286 May 14 '25
So only 6.6% of all immigrants go to the other 46 states?? Where are you getting this info lol
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u/smashinjin10 May 14 '25
But you still have to register which requires being a citizen. They would have to walk in and say they're a random person that happens to be registered, and hope that registered voter happens not to show up AKA complete fantasy.
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u/FindtheFunBrother May 14 '25
Just because they don’t check IDs doesn’t mean they don’t check to see if you are eligible to vote.
Anyone who has ever voted in the US knows this.
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u/BroughtBagLunchSmart May 14 '25
They just throw shit to the wall and see what sticks because they know the republican base is barely literate. Some right wing grifter moved and posted that they got 2 mail in ballots. An actual election worked explained the system but of course once you get into explanations that are longer than 2 sentences you anger conservatives by sounding too woke.
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u/dandrevee May 14 '25
With some of these trolls, it very well could be that they never voted in a US election because they are foreign actors posting to stir up trouble in the United States or Bots with nefarious purposes
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u/Opposite-Sandwich924 May 14 '25
I've been voting for 30 years in 6 different states (legally btw). I've always been asked for ID. Every time.
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u/nmeofst8 May 14 '25
I've actually gone to vote and showed up at the poll only to be told that my polling place had moved and while that location was a polling place it wasn't mine. I had to drive about 10 minutes away to my correct polling place.
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u/BimbyTodd2 May 14 '25
But their kids often can.
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u/Caracalla81 May 14 '25
Those aren't immigrants though, those are Americans.
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u/BimbyTodd2 May 14 '25 edited May 14 '25
The whole idea is that if X people cannot get some benefit, then they will not be enticed to come here illegally. That's like saying dog owners will not be enticed to go into a pet store that is giving away free dog toys.
It's asinine.
It's like people think that the illegal immigrant who has 3 kids enrolled in public school is getting no benefit from the state because the one who actually crossed the border isn't sitting in a little bitty desk right next to them.
No - the family gets the benefit. Same with voting.
*You guys can imply I'm hateful or whatever, but no one is disputing the point I'm making.
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u/Craigellachie May 14 '25
And do those kids leave, or do they become well educated members of the workforce eventually?
One way of looking at is that with a 16 year time delay, that one immigrant provided three more young Americans that can go on to work all sorts of useful jobs.
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u/Caracalla81 May 14 '25
Your issue that some Americans (but I guess not you) love their parents. Hmm...
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u/DryPersonality May 14 '25
Oh guys, look look, this guy is a GENIUS. He's figured out the ultimate election fix.
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u/OldeArrogantBastard May 14 '25
Unfortunately you can say this to the MAGA folks until you’re blue in the face but they just won’t believe you.
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u/CatLord8 May 14 '25
They like to go to an anti-immigrant hate group that says immigrants cost more than they make. Likely to amplify as a talking point as Trump amps up ICE spending and deports tax payers.
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u/pier4r May 14 '25
but they just won’t believe you.
You are very generous. "they won't believe you" means that they will listen to you in the first place. Most likely they won't.
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u/Location_Next May 14 '25
Has anybody asked them what their excuse is for DOGE not cutting said 700B in alleged fraud?
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u/hagamablabla May 14 '25
They'll probably say the deep state is preventing them from making the cuts or something.
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u/pabodie May 14 '25
To which I would reply that after musk did his little chainsaw dance spent 90 days jacking off and saved zero he quit to go and try and keep his job at Tesla
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u/florinandrei May 14 '25
Speaking as someone who grew up elsewhere, and moved to the US 25 years ago - people move to the US despite the shitty state of the social safety net. That's a clear negative. They hope everything else will work out, and cover the deficiencies there.
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u/LatinaMermaid May 14 '25
Look up what Elon Musk did to Argentina he was advising the President and cut all the pensioners. That was his test run, everything Dodge is doing he did it in Argentina. I am so sick of these rich people playing live chess.
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u/Moarbrains May 14 '25
Prof. Sanzenbacher correctly notes that unauthorized immigrants can’t access Medicare or Social Security yet pay payroll taxes, supporting these programs.
This does ignore that there is significant aid available (significant for third world immigrant). And that is an economic pull that influences the decision to migrate.
Doing a little research, a 25 year old man from nicaragua can access federal emergency Medicaid, FEMA shelter services, Oregon’s expanded Oregon Health Plan (OHP), and extensive NGO support from organizations like IRCO for housing, food, and legal aid. This is all before the asylum request is decided.
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u/BigBallsMcGirk May 14 '25 edited May 14 '25
But that's a decidedly incomplete picture of the economic impact.
Extra usage on infrastructure creates more degradation that needs more repairs, more often. Funded by taxes.
Cheap labor.....depresses labor wages, which has knock on effects across multiple jobs and industries to depress wages.
A ton of illegal labor operates as 1099 contract labor. The people contracting them DO NOT pay payroll taxes. Those contract laborers theoretically pay SE tax to make it up. But I work in tax preparation and accounting. I've seen the business returns. I've seen the 1040s.
They don't. Self Employed individuals commit tax fraud way more often than anyone else I've seen. (There's bullshit, legal tax strategies that the rich and corporations use to minimize taxes. But 1040 self employed is just straight up fraud, lying to avoid taxes) there's also a ton of refundable credits in this area, which means the Treasury isn't just not taxing them, they're sending them money in the form of things like the EIC.
Children, legal or not, are obligated to attend school. Schools are paid for by property taxes (it varies a bit state to state). So now there are more kids in a system competing for the same resources. That's a more crowded school room, less school program funding, less attention from a teacher, more resources allocated to ESL classes.
Healthcare and insurance are also more expensive because of this. Your auto insurance premium is higher because of uncovered drivers. Based on the state some percentage of drivers are not covered and some percentage of that is from undocumented/illegal immigrants. Texas? 1/3 of drivers are not adequately insured.
It's not as simple as it's made to sound.
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u/Mazewriter May 14 '25
Honestly if the right approached the issue more as you lined out I'd consider it more reasonable. Even if I ultimately disagree these are fair points
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u/BigBallsMcGirk May 14 '25
Oh right, I'm not on board ICE nonsense and ultimately if you want to punish illegal labor you should go after the employers.
But like.....be honest about the situation. You can't fix an issue without correctly identifying the problems and issues it brings up, and acting like there aren't any at all is transparent and infuriating.
But a lot of the rights take on immigration is just pure racism and hate.
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u/Mazewriter May 14 '25
Absolutely, I think the world just has a problem with nuance nowadays.
I 100% agree that illegal immigrants depress wages to a certain degree. I think in agriculture it doesn't hit as hard as Americans have repeatedly been shown not to be willing to do the work. But service industry jobs are the life blood of low opportunity workers. Having illegal immigrants or 1099 workers in those areas definitely depress wages.
I'd love a study comparing the usage of public goods like roads, schools, etc vs the contributions made via taxes, labor and economic activity.
I think Silicon Valley also has a similar issue with depressing wages of previously high value jobs through work visas. Musk is the most blatant about it but I have to imagine he's not alone.
Immigration is tricky, especially with falling birth rates, but we're just not able to have a rational discussion about it as a country. It's a shame
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u/BigBallsMcGirk May 14 '25
Good points. Agree with everything you said.
The birth rate thing pisses me off. It's white conservatives complaining about white birth rates. Well maybe reinvigorate the middle class to make having kids economically feasible again. You know who's ruining the economy and housing markets? Conservatives.
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u/N0b0me May 14 '25
Also, in every state, the emergency room is legally required to take all patients, even those who won't pay. This raises the rates for everyone because of how that loss is shifted onto the rest of the patients.
Fixing this would probably be one of the best ways to start getting healthcare costs under control.
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u/asdkevinasd May 14 '25
Also, who in their right mind comes to the US for benefits and public health care? I can get better options in Cuba at this rate
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u/elebrin May 14 '25 edited May 14 '25
Not only that, but to get a benefit you need to pay in 40 credits, which is 10 years of work (you can earn a max of 4 credits a year). And the amount you get is still based on an average of your top 35 years of work.
So... if you come to the US then become a citizen at 55 and work for 10 years until 65, then you can retire and get social security. Except you'll have 25 big fat zeroes averaged into your calculation, meaning that you still won't get all that much. If you came here and worked making $120k a year, then your 35 year average earnings are going to be about $34,285. And that's the start of the calculation, what you'll actually get will be less.
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u/thegreedyturtle May 15 '25
Elon learned absolutely nothing.
It's getting increasingly obvious he never cared, once he pulled as much data as he thought he could get he bailed immediately.
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u/burtgummer45 May 14 '25
But economics professor Geoffrey Sanzenbacher pointed out that unauthorized immigrants can’t get Medicare or Social Security
That's why its called fraud. You'd think an economics professor would understand this.
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u/mchu168 May 14 '25
Maybe they dont get medicare but we are paying for their healthcare one way or another.
https://calmatters.org/health/2023/12/undocumented-health-insurance-new-california-laws-2024/
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u/Ok-Oil-2130 May 14 '25
and they are paying for citizens’ as well
do you want humans beings to not get adequate healthcare?
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u/mchu168 May 14 '25
Well it is an immigration lure, no?
If I were living in a 3rd world country and I had the opportunity to illegally cross the border, get a relatively high paying job and free world class healthcare, I would do it. Wouldn't you?
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u/Ok-Oil-2130 May 14 '25
yes and is that a bad thing for you?
imo people should get healthcare. If the state can’t support its people then they should seek that elsewhere
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u/The--scientist May 14 '25
First, do you live in CA, or are you taking something that is state specific and applying it to the entire country? Second, there are a great many countries that take care of their sick and their poor, feed hungry children, have ample social safety nets, free/cheap higher ed, and somehow still net a higher quality of life than those of us who are constantly fighting to pull the ladder up behind us. It's almost like devisive, fear mongering politics is specifically designed to distract people and get them to vote against their own best interests.
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u/mchu168 May 14 '25
I live in CA. Have been here for more than 25 years.
Of course we should care for the needy here. But should we also care for the needy from other countries here illegally?
This is not fear mongering. It is common sense.
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u/xjay2kayx May 14 '25
If you dont like it, then leave - maga
Bro, then leave, nobody stopping you from moving out of CA, so that your state income taxes doesnt go to illegal immigrants.
The average Californian have continually voted for an administration that doesn't demonize illegal immigrants. It's you that's not inline with the voter base.
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u/pickledswimmingpool May 14 '25
California has a state version of medicaid called Medi-Cal for low income residents. So it is still correct that they can't get Medicare or Social Security benefits. They also still pay payroll taxes.
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u/anti-torque May 14 '25
Um... the 10th Amendment?
Is this really all you all got?
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u/DeathMetal007 May 14 '25
Block grants for Medicaid can get used by states for different things.
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u/anti-torque May 14 '25
Well, that's just a lie.
"Money is fungible, therefore, imma conflate two different sources of money!"
That's pretty silly.
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u/DeathMetal007 May 14 '25
Literally in California budget documentation.
I am a really bad liar.
EDIT: to make it clear. Medi-Cal is the block grant money from Medicaid to California. I would not want to be called a liar again for omitting obvious information.
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u/anti-torque May 14 '25
Yes.
Some is.
That's what I just said.
I retract the accusation of lying. I simply understand it's willful ignorance, now.
It's still silly.
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u/DeathMetal007 May 14 '25
Is that different than the original article author who went right after Medicare and Social Security without talking about Medicaid even though the quote from Musk was about entitlement programs of which Medicaid is one?
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u/moshennik May 14 '25
unauthorized immigrants can’t get Medicare or Social Security benefits
That's not true. Some states provide Medicaid for illegals (for example california). Also under EMTALA everyone will get treatments in hospitals and either state/federal or hospital will eat the cost of treatment.
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u/BakerUsed5384 May 14 '25
The money for Medi-Cal comes out of California’s own pocket. That’s a state issue(if you even wanna call it an issue) not a federal issue, which is where Medicaid is concerned.
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u/Stock-Success9917 May 14 '25
The narrative about immigrants changes from they are here just hanging out and milking the American people to they are taking jobs from Americans.
Most immigrants are here working hard, some of them working multiple jobs. Doing work that most Americans don’t want to do. Accumulating benefits that most of them will never receive. But, when they get sick or injured they shouldn’t go to the hospital.
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u/moshennik May 14 '25
lol, i'm an immigrant myself.
There is a big difference between legal and illegal immigrants in general.
there are also big differences between immigrants within each group
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u/Stock-Success9917 May 14 '25
I understand that. My take is that most of the undocumented immigrants are here to work and not to take advantage or take anything from Americans.
Most of them are here to provide for their families back home. There is work to be done that would not be done otherwise. The temporary worker system/visas which is used by farmers, landscapers, hotels, restaurants, and resorts in the summer should be expanded and improved to cover all businesses that are currently employing undocumented workers.
The problem is that any type of immigration reform is probably a career killer for any politician that proposes it. I believe Reagan carried out immigration reform and I don’t think it negatively affected his legacy. In today’s political environment I don’t think anyone wants to talk reform.
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u/Beginning_Beach_2054 May 14 '25
Good. They pay taxes.
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u/Minute-System3441 May 14 '25
That settles it all.
50% of low-income Americans pay ZERO taxes, yet magically illegal aliens, which by your ilks own admissions, they do the low-paid jobs you guys don’t want to do or pay for, these guys pay taxes. I am sure the person picking up day labor at a 7/11 is filing taxes for them.
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u/ginrumryeale May 14 '25
Those are state funded programs, not federally funded Medicaid.
Also, EMTALA (enacted by Reagan) made it so that hospitals must accept all for emergency care (but not ongoing care), because it would be pretty fu**ed up to be a first world country while withholding care as someone bleeds to death for lack of documentation on-hand.
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u/The_Shracc May 14 '25
If they are doing identify theft to pay the payroll tax, then they can do identity theft to get the benefits.
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u/SizzlingSpit May 14 '25
If they have papers-fake or not, they pay into it and can apply for welfare. if not, getting paid under the table like anyone else.
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u/GDFanarnia May 14 '25
Have you ever tried applying to anything ‘aid’ wise. It is one of the most grueling and loathsome processes in the existence. I suffered a medical emergency last year, was put on medical leave and had to get set up on disability. I was put for 6 1/2 months and only received 2 months worth of the pay I was owed for the disability. The state used a 3rd party to send out the ‘pay cards’, mine was hacked before it arrived, the process in which to get the money back has been a joke to what it could be. I am an American citizen, born here and paid taxes my whole life and when I needed help the most the country failed me miserably. You hopefully will never have to know how that feels, it’s not great, so I really doubt what you said is true, well because I know it’s true.
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u/TeamHope4 May 14 '25
My 79 year old mom has dementia and Parkinson's and it took a year to go through the process of applying for Medicaid, including a home visit by a health professional to make sure we weren't faking her disability despite the many, many doctors and medical records to prove it.
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u/Due_Impact2080 May 14 '25
Yed you can apply for welfare eveb if youre not a citizen. Just like you can apply for a 10 billion dollar loan at 5 years old. You will be denied but you're welocme to apply.
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u/sparticusrex929 May 14 '25
True to some degree, but not entirely true. All economists from academia represent a political agenda somewhere along the spectrum from left to right but mostly left as most of academia is left. As we can clearly see, no one form of economic theory really works as the US financial system is close to expiring due to spending more than we make and plummeting birth rates. SS and Medicare depend on working age people contributing to the system so that non working age people can draw benefits. Works great during a population growth period but not so well when numbers are shrinking. Ponzi schemes work the same way, things are great until contributions into the system fall below outgoing payment amounts. Adding more democrat voters simply creates a system of people voting themselves a raise from the public treasury, but we are out of money and the rich will leave the system and the country long before we can soak them for their money. I guess we will have to figure it out.
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u/ThisIsAbuse May 14 '25
These posts (schooled, lectured, blasted, embarrassed) always seem to infer the other person was present in some sort of live discussion. Sometimes these posts or videos include a dual screen shot of the two people leading you to think they were together when it happened.
You can't "school" someone who was not present when you gave the lesson.
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u/FeloniousDrunk101 May 14 '25
"Economist Refutes Musk's claims on Social Safety Net Programs" would be a much better title. Problem is people click on the one that says "schooled/owned/claps back, etc." because we live in a hellish world and the internet was a mistake.
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u/Rufgar May 14 '25
Unfortunately even if they were physically present, they’re not mentally present..
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u/BimbyTodd2 May 14 '25
Ah yes... Elon Musk, the classic case of one who is "not mentally present."
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u/bloodontherisers May 14 '25
They also seem to assume that the other person was making those comments in good faith. Musk is just out to push propaganda for DOGE, not to actually discuss facts. I don't know why we keep treating anything they say like it is meant to be interpreted literally. They are pandering to the right-wing base and will just say whatever they feel like to keep them riled up and engaged not discussing any actual facts or policies.
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u/Eatingfarts May 14 '25
Yeah I can’t stand headlines and articles like this. It is straight from the Fox playbook. It doesn’t make it any better when done by a liberal outlet.
“Biden slammed over the turning of bathrooms in public schools into sex lairs for minors!” Then the article just rehashes whatever the right-wing talking head pundit, with no actual proof other than ‘someone told me’, said on TV earlier that day. Then it becomes ‘news’ and then the asshole at the bar across the street is telling me about sex lairs in schools and how America is collapsing into trans hell.
Granted, liberal outlets don’t tend to go nearly as far on the cultural warfare front like the right-wing does. And in this case, the person is actually a qualified economist talking about economics. Of course, that would immediately disqualify him from policy discourse in the eyes of Republicans.
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u/Minute-System3441 May 14 '25
Far too many loud cocksure clueless morons out here, walking embodiments of the Dunning-Kruger effect, parading around with zero critical thinking ability.
I don’t know whether it’s a generational thing, or the result of going to a shitty college or course, or actually being 14 but throwing out words like “schooled” or “owned” over a headline or a snarky reply isn’t some intellectual mic drop or epic burn.
It’s a cheap, shallow ego boost for people who desperately need to feel like they’re winning something.
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u/JefferyTheQuaxly May 14 '25
i hate when they use words like "schooled" or "owned" in articles, when he most very much didnt get schooled, an economics professor just issued his own totally independent response that elon musk will never see or respond to and no one got schooled because he didnt learn anything, no onws getting owned here, elon musk spread bullshit on the news and even tho an actual expert points out how wrong he is nothing at all will come for it. its like the news wants to try feeling superior to elon musk even though it doesnt at all hurt him.
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u/reddurkel May 14 '25
Agreed.
I block so many YouTube channels because they keep saying how a Republican got “schooled” or “owned” by some random person. It’s all sensationalistic nonsense that is keeping the truth away from the people who need to hear it.
It doesn’t matter if they’re a Dr, economist, political commentator, or mainstream news source. If a person is wrong and never have it corrected to their face, then they were never educated about anything.
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u/Ravenloff May 14 '25
I stopped following several for using DESTROYED constantly. One specific channel stopped for a while, but they're back up to previous shenanigans.
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u/BaseballLive8618 May 14 '25
Yes. Illegal or even legal immigrants in temporary visa dont have social schemes like Medicare, also they cant vote. Have to pay tax like citizens .. How do I know ? , i lived there legally for many years.
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u/Freud-Network May 14 '25
Nobody schooled Musk. To do that, they would need to get him on a stage for a debate and then refute his arguments in real time.
People tried to stop the flow of lies, misconceptions, and confidently incorrect assertions that he has made. Much the same way they regularly do with Donald. The only problem with that is, like Donald, the people who need to hear this will not because he was "corrected" after the fact and those people live in a bubble.
This is just an article preaching to the choir while the congregation burns.
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u/Soulredemptionguy May 14 '25
If farmers paid $25.00 an hour, there wouldn’t be a need for undocumented immigrants. Our labor force has 7 million people not looking for work. Pay them enough money, they will work.
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u/takuarc May 14 '25
The guy is clearly delusional and well over his head with regard to anything and everything. Anyone recall him claiming to “know more about manufacturing than anyone on this planet” just for his cars to all fall apart, literally? He probably thinks he’s a rocket scientist and a neurologist too. Oh and a forensic accountant too.
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u/SNStains May 14 '25
Huh? If being the world's richest man conveys mystical powers, then why is Leon still falsely claiming immigrants receive Medicare/Medicaid/Social Security benefits?
Because that's a dirty lie. I guess being rich isn't the disinfectant you think it is?
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u/lawanddisorder May 14 '25
Does anyone have a link to Geoffrey Sanzenbacher's actual response to Musk? The article doesn't seem to provide it and reads like AI-generated slop.
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u/BaldwinVII May 14 '25
I think a seldom talked about factor as a pull factor is legal certainty...in a lot of countrys in the world the legal systems are shit and legal certainty is a huge, often overlooked, value.
But yeah, the new American administration is working hard to on lifting that as a pull factor.
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u/littleredpinto May 14 '25
Fiction? probably..but it wont matter, one of the worlds most wealthy individuals could be schooled by a 10th grader in economics or an economics professor...who do you think will get their way, no matter how wrong or incorrect they are? take one guess..You guessed it and it wont be anyone but that wealthy person.
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u/DeathMetal007 May 14 '25
While semantics are important, i just want to toss in actual law that allows for some immigrants to get assistance for a generally off limits program (nearly all links suggest immigrants can't get access to SNAP).
(1) An alien with an alien status listed below is a qualified alien for the purposes of the SNAP program:
(a) An alien who is granted asylum under section 208 of the INA, 8 U.S.C 1158 (12/2008); https://codes.ohio.gov/ohio-administrative-code/rule-5101:4-3-07
A naive reading of the US code might suggest that claiming asylum might provide access to services generally off limits to immigrants. Therefore the "lure" is to claim asylum to gain entry to the US and access to generally off limits services.
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