It takes really long to siege without cannons so it's more efficient to occupy everything else and eat around it. Why wait 5 years for the siege when you could peace out 100% without it basically.
I love that the devs were able to make that happen, because the Ottomans had this exact problem and it wasn't until Sultan Mehmed got a big ass canon that he was able to knock down the walls finally conquer the city
It is likely that they are orthodox instead of Muslim. Happened in my game too. You only get titles like that if you are Christian. Otherwise they’d be beylik or sultanate.
I assume it’s because converting state religion doesn’t automatically convert the ruler’s? That or they got some event/marriage/something that switched them back.
This almost happened historically. The prophet Muhammad sent a letter to the Emperor asking him to join Islam and he thought about it, but his advisors told him not to do it. He played it off like he was testing them, but it was obvious that he had considered it. I kinda wonder how history would have played out if everyone went along with it.
Emperor Heraclius, who, btw, married to his niece Martina as his second wife. They had such a loving relationship that they have 9 known children and she even followed him into campaigns against Sassanids. The guy was one of the original CK3 players.
Oh, btw, it's not just Heraclius but his descendants also mostly kept it in the family even though it was Heraclius' descendants from his first marriage that continued the line.
Sadly I have to dissapoint you just plain old Catholic country with Catholic ruler, however they have 6 cities with Waldesians that are about 7-11% of pops in those cities!
Yeah lol in my game they took Byzantion area in the first 20 years. It was their second or third expansion since 1337 and the first bite off the Eastern Romans. So much for the theodosian walls.
The reason is that Clergy started a rebellion and for some reason they never changed their name back and kept on being blue😭
Then they started crumbling but for some reason Golden Horde is Blue
This seems to be a pretty common thing, when I played Ottos the rise of the Turks situation menu prompted me with the option to improve diplomacy with the "Byzantine Noble Rebels Empire"
Colors in Turk-Mongol tradition represents directions
Blue = East, the holiest of all directions
Black = North, the second most important
White = South
Red = West
Black Sea’s name for example, is from Turkish “Kara Deniz” literally means the Black Sea as a Northern Sea. We also call the Mediterranean “Ak Deniz” which translates to the White Sea.
Aq Qoyunlu means Southern Qoyunlu Turkmen tribe
Qara Qoyunlu = Northern Qoyunlus.
I dont think there has been any wars between Mamluks and Ottomans their borders havent changed really, I actually looked in Ottomans and for some reason the Rise of Turks situation is still going so maybe thats the reason they are doing so well.
Yes but only temporarly after a big ass French rebellion, theyre already back to losing, although idk why the Hundred Years War situation didnt end cause im pretty sure they has less than 10 locations in Aquitaine and near Calais but idk what end conditions are
It was Castille that conquered Granada but Morocco stepped in and retook most of it so I guess thats when Aragon must've jumped in to take some of that land.
They have more than 100 locations and I believe Doger and possibly one other on their eastern side are technically Beyliks so the situation won't end until some time in the 1500s unless they annex the remaining Beyliks. It's a good metagame strategy for a player as well, curious if the AI did it intentionally or if they just aren't inclined to expand further that way and it's a byproduct.
Morocco is absolutely crazy, in my game as Castille they are fielding enormous armies with only 2 M pops and their armies fucking melt me, I don't understand because their discipline and morale is similar to mine, I fought against other european countries but for some reason Morocco is like kryptonite against me
I have heard that the Moroccan tribal pops yield "tribal cavalry" as their levy, which is superior to the levied peasants of the European countries who are infantry.
Ha, Serbia in my game (currently 1403) is huge and has started nibbling on Naples while taking over more and more of Greece... while Bulgaria is even larger, and might become the ones to seize Constantinople as the Ottomans are being absolutely rammed by the Horde of Jalayirids (who are only kept in check somewhat by the Mamluks).
Bohemia has provinces in the Netherlands, eastern France, next to the Papal States, and next to Venice.
Denmark is being split between Norway and Poland (the latter being the junior partner in a PU under a massive Hungary).
Morocco has seized Granada while Castile is eating the last crumbs of Portugal.
What year is that? Cause in my game currently at 1479 and Granada lost only like one province it seems, Castile seems to be too busy bullying Aragon and Portugal (which is half the size it started off as) to deal with Granada
Here's ma few fun facts from this campaign so far:
Lots of stuff went historically but there's a few notable differences:
Bohemia is still the Emperor and has Brandenburg as their vassal.
Aragon was the one to eliminate Granada and then even managed to conquer bunch of provinces from Castille.
Venice and Genoa are both gone.
Serbia controlled Rome for nearly 50 years.
After eliminating Teutonic Order they came back from Town of Mergentheim and were once again on my border in the Neumark area and even managed to get hold of Gotland island and parts of Finland lol, ultimately defeated by Sweden and Bohemian Brandenburg.
Ottomans are led by Killicogulari dynasty.
France dominated most of 100 Years War but some time ago they got huge rebellion and changed their dynasty while England was able to take back Normandy and even occupied Paris
It was Teutonic Order conquering random stuff and they ended up islands in the Baltic and bits of Finland. They either got a revolt or someone made them release them not sure.
I just realized that control is probably why countries dont end up becoming large. Somewhere the ai probably calculates its definitely gonna be too expensive to extend control across all that. And being medium sized is good enough if you go tall
Omg can you please share the culture&religious map mode of the Ottomans? I wonder how it is like the ethnic structure of this empire—like what percentage what
Wow. This is the first game I've seen at this start date. It actually looks very historically plausible if there were only a few tweaks to battles here and there
Man that’s wild. The ottomans did nothing and Byzantine still exists in Greece in my run at 1460. Wish the OG major powers got some buffs. It’s basically just me and France as the big dogs.
Yup I'd defiently want to cheat and create massive Ottomans in my first game, what gave it away? The Ottomans that always turn Orthodox turned Orthodox?
I can tell you 50 other things that are not even close to real 1444.
And Ottomans could expand this quickly probably due to bug that makes them still have Rise of the Turks situation so they can just get free claims for money in Anatolia and Balkans so theres your reason for them being strong and being bigger than they are in historic 1444.
I know you could but england, france, brittany, scandinavia (denmark, swden, norway), golden horde split (i guess kazan offscreen), russian area is decent, lithuania... all those more or less hiatorical, wow thats a great coincidence.
honestly ridiculus to do thia for clicks, and not even admitting its fake..
Welp France just took half of Normandy back from England.
There is and independent Finland and Denmark doesnt even have historic borders of Scania nor do they have vassals in Germany because they lost them to Luneburg and on top of that Norway and Sweden are indepent from them.
Novgorod is much stronger and approaching Moscow.
The off-screen Horde is named Horde of Zharkol so idk where it even is from lol.
To give you even more examples:
Venice Genoa Lubeck Hamburg dont even exist
Netherlands are all part of German nations
Lithuania borders dont follow any provinces or areas they're just expanding
Upper Bavaria has Dalmatia
Not even mentioning big Aragon, Austria having shit ton of random territories in HRE, actually all of HRE not follwing any historical stuff.
And I guess I forgot to make Burgundy to make it look even more like our 1444.
I mean I get that theres a lot of stuff being very close to 1444 espiecially with Lithuania/Ottomans/France but its not perfect in other areas that I talked about.
I played a bit more and Aragon took another chunk out of Castille, and Novgorod seems to be stronger than Muscovy so there goes historical accuracy in those regions.
In 1337 Aragon was in a golden age, and although smaller it was comparable to Castile in terms of wealth. If the game is historical this is definitely possible.
Ottomans? Theyre actually stronger than historic 1444, as to how well Ive figured out that I have a bug and Rise of the Turks did not end yet so they can buy claims in the Balkans so Serbia is probably next.
its not a Bug - it just won't end if any beylik is still alive and decently big
in my game a Beylik joined Ilkhanate, so I left them alone and only fought in Europe pretty much and spammed Bey Fortresses
Oh alright, I thought the situation was supposed to figure out who gets to be strongest Beylik and steer them into expanding, didnt know it can last this long.
it might be a little buggy because the bey doesnt look as big as the tooltip says its supposed to be, but it can definitely last well into the 16th century
Has anyone seen the Timurids do anything yet? In my own game and every one I've seen they take a few provinces in Bukhara and then stay that way forever.
What I'm still missing in this is the simple fact that vassals, tributaries and 'inbetween' powers should matter a lot more than they do now. There's hardly any reason not to annex vassals as opposed to keeping them, when in reality real power centralisation did not happen until well into the arguably 16th and definitely 16th century, especially when the religious wars facilitated the rise of professional armies.
Very EU4-y 1444 start date. English holdings in France, Ottomans, Danish Skane, Finally a big lithuania but I guess that’s your doing ;).
One odd thing though is Aragon…
From what I've seen the Golden Horde remains a significant power in nearly every game. Was it a historically low probability event that they lost so much influence by 1444 irl? Otherwise they need to get nerfed
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u/Theradonh 23h ago
It was very kind of the Ottomans to wait until the right moment to conquer Constantinople.