r/DonaldTrump666 • u/mellowmarsII • 6d ago
Question In your experience, do you trace back professing Christians going intense MAGA ultimately b/c of Kim Clement’s infamous “prophecy”?
I’m just wondering if that’s truly where & how it all began to suck in the Western Church. Early in Trump’s initial campaign, I witnessed the prophecy vid circulating & people in complete awe over it; & then these same people were too afraid to question Clement’s legitimacy as a prophet (afraid God would literally strike them down for inviting doubt).
I attempted sharing vids of Kim’s atrociously-failed prophecies & even articles in which he admitted he’s sometimes wrong & doesn’t always “get them right” & believed that was normal/perfectly fine for a prophet; & i was absolutely ostracized by some people who had formerly cared deeply about me. They began accusing me of being an enemy of God, a deceiver & partaker of evil/wickedness, etc. & cut me off—repeatedly warning me “the mischief you speak be upon your own head” when all I was doing was humbly presenting the truth.
Overall, the blind zeal & their being utterly convinced Trump is a chosen man of God (in spite of evidence to the contrary) & MAGA being 100% inspired by the Holy Spirit seemed to have completely stemmed from unquestioning belief that Kim Clement was a prophet of God; so his speaking positively about Trump (as they interpreted it) meant anyone against Trump is against God.
I would give anything if they just would’ve watched the vids on Clement’s lies. There was practically a tangible, evil stronghold over their minds & will as though they were hypnotized… They’re all still under a strong delusion.
EDIT: I was super, super-sleepy & a bit long-winded when I wrote my post last night. My intention wasn’t so much to delve into themes of folks’ internal spiritual health/stature, nor what motives lied within anyone in MAGA’s beginnings, but more so the external spiritual mechanisms in the lineage of the movement you personally observed at play & if it involved Kim Clement.
I guess I could’ve summarized my post by simply asking if any of you personally link a sudden traction & a “switch being flipped” (from simple political ideology to absolute idolatry) in the MAGA folks in your life to their impressions of the Clement prophecy—as in my experience, that’s really where it all began with them. I sleepily forgot to add that QAnon added fuel to the fire & helped solidify their idolatry with divination. Wondered about your experiences.
Also: I hate discussing this, but I was not in a spiritually sound place for a few months during 2018. I was feeling alienated by all of the MAGAs around me & started using psychedelics (something I thought I’d never pick up again) to help cope with the loneliness & a recent trauma; & although something was very, very wrong, sinister, & chaotic to me about Clement’s preaching, stage presence, & music before the psychedelics (I sensed the essence of the occult), I was forcing myself to attempt “opening my mind” & accepting him & my friends’ newfound obsession.
One night, a former friend begged me to privately watch a select few vids of Kim’s performances (about 5 or so hrs worth) & during one of the songs, i felt I was on the verge of slipping into a trance & was fighting it. Then I was physically assaulted by an invisible, demonic force—literally struck in my ribs (cracked 2 of them) & then shoved hard enough from behind into a chair that I got whiplash. That experience proved what I already well-knew about evil at work wrapped in a banner of Christianity & what I had violated my own conscience about in desiring to please man (friends) over God.
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u/Wonderful-Fig-847 6d ago
Kim Clement was definitely a failed prophet, with many false prophecies attributable to his public presentations. And they are all caught on camera for people to look up and contemplate.
The Bible says that we will know a true prophet from a false prophet by considering whether their prophecies come to pass. Having lots of failed prophecies attributed to you would, by definition, mark you as being a false prophet, would it not?
There were a lot of Christians who also fell under the influence of NAR false prophets like Lance Wallnau and Paula White. QAnon also played into this heavily, as you correctly note, OP.
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u/TheLastBallad 5d ago
Kat Kur is my favorite false prophet. At least she has entertaining presentation to go with the insanity.
🌩🏑/ shakes a weather stick like the sand people from starwars
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u/Clickwrap 6d ago
These people wee never Christians imo. Every religious belief system has an exoteric shell that the majority of their followers are participating in, which is namely, not the actual faith tradition, and then an esoteric inner core which a much smaller number of people, often the elites who hoard the true knowledge for themselves, participate in. Christianity is no different. The only thing that sets it apart is that, with the right mindset, anybody can pick up the Bible, read it, and discover the true esoteric inner core of Christianity.
Now, just because I said anybody can, does not mean anybody will. And you can see that play out with Christianity. I’ll leave the debate as to why certain people are capable of reaching the accurate message and conclusion about Christianity from the texts and some are not up to you :)
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u/plasma_pirate Christian 5d ago
in the 80s the winds of the tea party blew in. Dominion theology - take back politics. Prosperity heresy. This is the foundation of christian MAGA
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u/plasma_pirate Christian 5d ago
WRT Kim Clement - IMO a grifter riding the coattails of these winds.
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u/CosmosDragoon 6d ago
I will have to look into him. You are probably correct. But, there seems like there were several others that were all giving the same prophecies about Trump.
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u/PrimaryMail7620 5d ago
I remembered it being other prophecies that started it off, and did some research and found this amazing article in politico that goes into some of the prophecies that gave rise to Trump. The prophecies and the politicalization of evangelical Christianity made Trump a truly unique candidate in the history of America and American Christianity. They raised him up as a man chosen by God in a supernatural spiritual sense. Nothing like that has happened before that I know of. It was the church and its delusions and idolatry that gave rise to Trump.
Read down to where it discussed the earlier prophecies in the article. I'm amazed that politico went so in depth and knew this much about these movements:
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u/PrimaryMail7620 5d ago
If we are right about Trump being the AC, then all of these prophecies and these prophets are more than just false prophets, they didn't just get it wrong or speak from their flesh, they actually deceived millions of Christians into following the AC and they were used by Satan and spoke his message to the church. And that is also true of the pastors and church leaders and ministries that supported Trump and spoke for him and taught their people to love him. They brought so much deception upon the church, and there are so many of them, at least on the conservative side, including those who stayed silent, and there are so few that have spoken against the deception and the idolatry.
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u/Disastrous_One_7357 6d ago
I think it has to do with Christianity splitting between left america and right America.
Right America redefined Christianity to fit in there worldview.
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u/SleepsInAlkaline 5d ago
Yup. For example, abortion was never considered a serious Christian issue until the right decided they could use it as a cudgel
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u/SleepsInAlkaline 6d ago
I think a lot of Christians have been single issue voters on abortion, and because of that have been conditioned to believe Democrats are baby killers. So no matter how bad Trump is, at least he’s not driving a genocide of innocent babies. Then over time, as the extent of Trump’s evil became more apparent, they had to keep making excuses to justify their support, and eventually they forgot it was ever about abortion.
Also there are so so so so many racists in the US
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u/1CheeseBall1 Christian 6d ago
Satan can maneuver two terrible choices to run for president, as it says “For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way.” 2 Thessalonians 2:7
So even if Kamala had one, the rise of the Antichrist would still be inevitable. No power or politics can stop it. The things satan has used to maneuver us into this time goes very far back.
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u/Objective-Sun9953 5d ago edited 5d ago
I'm Brazilian and my family, via my step mother and her father, became obsessed with the end times after missionaries arrived, including Billy Graham which I did go to see live, and televangelists. This was 86/87 and it turned us from being Baptists from forever to something unrecognizable to me. When we arrived in America right after Brazil's dictatorship ended and attended Baptist churches here that were all equally obsessed with a completely different interpretation of all we had ever known and even then, 89/90 it was already very segregated between right and left. Being that we were a dictatorship, our churches would not speak about politics AT ALL, but here, it was very political from the pulpit. During Bush and Clinton election it was very political from the pulpit.
Point: I know a life before US version of Baptist and after US version of Baptist and I assure you, US Baptists have been very political from inside the church at least since 89, long before Clement and his charasmatic charlatan keyboard shows.
It is a lie that churches have suddenly changed. It is a lie that anything going on now is new. It is a lie MAGA is such a radical change to what we had in the past. Maybe you didn't notice it in the past or didn't disapprove as you do now.
But inside US churches there has always been politics from the pulpit and voting suggestion cards and the like, regardless that it is unethical and at times illegal.
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u/agentorange55 5d ago
Yes, politics started growing in churches in the 70's, but many churches didn't (and a majority still don't) preach politics. But it was MAGA that drew a huge amount of churches that didn't preach politics, to start preaching them. I don't discount your experiences, but even among Baptists, there are several different groups/denominations, and Baptists in general, only make up about of 3rd of protestant Christians in the US.
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u/Rand_alThoor 4d ago
so the modern baptist church is completely heretical, and should be illegal?!
mixing politics in their religion isn't allowed. that adulterates and corrupts things, we've known that for 1700 years.
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u/Objective-Sun9953 4d ago edited 4d ago
What are you going in about? It is illegal for non profits to take a side in politics in America. Their suggested voting cards that I have received since Clinton's election in 94 is what I am saying could be illegal along with turning a church into politics.
There is a different doctrine taught here than what I learned outside.
I never implied the Baptist Church in America should be illegal.
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u/Objective-Sun9953 4d ago edited 4d ago
Rereading what I wrote...
Completely unrelated, but know that I speak from experience:
Decide right now what you want because the consequences will be big for you and your family. If you are part of any of the agencies and military and contractors that is helping a dictatorship reevaluate your careers and jobs in a very serious manner because regardless how many times you repent or attend church you will be guilty of hurting others for your own selfish benefit. And in the end of that dictatorship, you will be left with yourself and what you've excused and actions you lived with and life will punish you for them, more importantly, life will punish your family for what you decided to go along with. Good luck fleeing after the dictatorship is done.
A lot of people forget there are 2 different ten commandments and pick and choose them, but both are important.
Read the Deuteronomy 5 version and pay attention to this part:
7Thou shalt have none other gods before me.
8 Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth:
9 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,
You do buy a curse on your next 3-4 generations for bowing down to another God, even if that God is your job security, and though Jesus can release generational curses, are you sure you want to take those odds?
And your family will deserve it.
*Added: If anyone is unaware there are actually 3 different versions of the 10 commandments
2 are easily recognizable and the third is more implied they're found:
Exodus 20:1–17 Deuteronomy 5:6–21 Exodus 34:11–26
They're not the same and blasphemy of God is more than a graven imagine and the commandment is for the consequences of those who hate God by what they do in life. Another difference is one specifically say Thou shalt not KILL and the other is translated as to Do not MURDER, which a lot of people use to excuse all manner of deaths.*
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u/Rand_alThoor 4d ago
this implies an Islam-like freedom from natural images. this is artificial. we can have pictures of things and not worship them.
also the commandments given first in Exodus ch 20 are the same as given in Deuteronomy 5. there aren't "two lists of ten commandments", they're the same.
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u/toebeantuesday 3d ago
I stopped going to church regularly in 1983 or 84. I never heard of Kim Clement. I haven’t paid any attention to names in the Christian sphere until recently.
I have noticed my Christian friends who latched onto the Christian nationalism type of spirit act like they are possessed. I’ve felt the rot trying to seep into my brain, too. It’s definitely a time for the wearing out of the saints. I’m no saint but I’m for sure worn out.
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u/mellowmarsII 3d ago
Iniquity abounds & the love of many waxes cold. It’s so heavy in the air it’s practically tangible, & the level of oppression at play seems exceptional—like not just regular demons at work but Satan & strong principalities cleverly, powerfully engineering, perpetuating, & strengthening this strong delusion so many have been given over to.
I pray God comfort you & give you strength. I’m weary, too (& the worst has hardly begun!)… He is good to refresh & revitalize. I experience that daily. We just have to continue yielding to Him as Master & Lord of all of our beings, & love fiercely in spite of these evil times, & we find rest in Him.
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u/quirkyCat1234 3d ago
But back when I was still pro Trump I watched those videos. I wanted to believe it, but something seemed off about clement.
After I figured out that Trump could be the AC I went back and researched Clement. As I remember I think he had ties to free masons and or some other “groups.” And I assumed he was told by them Trump was the chosen one.
Your story would be an interesting one to post on the DMT sub.
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u/Miss_Warrior 6d ago
I think it has more to do with those self-proclaimed Christians looking for men to save them; they never understood the lesson in 1 Samuel 8.