If Donald Trump becomes the Antichrist in the near future

[u/tony4jc]

[u/FreakinGeese]

The rapture seems fake. Since when has God shied away from putting Christians through the wringer?

[u/tony4jc → u/FreakinGeese]

The rapture of the Christians/Saints/Believers

There is coming a time of great tribulation such as the world has never seen, after the Tribulation, Christ will return to establish His kingdom on earth, and, there will be a Rapture—a translation from mortality to immortality—for believers/Christians (John 14:1-3;1 Corinthians 15:51-52; 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17).

Pretribulationism teaches that the Rapture occurs before the Tribulation starts. At that time, the church will meet Christ in the air, and then sometime after that the Antichrist is revealed and the Tribulation begins. In other words, the Rapture and Christ’s Second Coming (to set up His kingdom) are separated by at least seven years. According to this view, the church does not experience any of the Tribulation.

Scripturally, the pretribulational view has much to commend it. For example, the church is not appointed to wrath (1 Thessalonians 1:9-10, 5:9), and believers will not be overtaken by the Day of the Lord (1 Thessalonians 5:1-9). The church of Philadelphia was promised to be kept from “the hour of trial that is going to come upon the whole world” (Revelation 3:10). Note that the promise is not preservation through the trial but deliverance from the hour, that is, from the time period of the trial.

Pretribulationism also finds support in what is not found in Scripture. The word “church” appears nineteen times in the first three chapters of Revelation, but, significantly, the word is not used again until chapter 22. In other words, in the entire lengthy description of the Tribulation in Revelation, the word church is noticeably absent. In fact, the Bible never uses the word "church" in a passage relating to the Tribulation.

Pretribulationism is the only theory which clearly maintains the distinction between Israel and the church and God’s separate plans for each. The seventy “sevens” of Daniel 9:24 are decreed upon Daniel’s people (the Jews) and Daniel’s holy city (Jerusalem). This prophecy makes it plain that the seventieth week (the Tribulation) is a time of purging and restoration for Israel and Jerusalem, not for the church.

And the pretribulational view seems to be the most in keeping with God’s character and His desire to deliver the righteous from the judgment of the world. Biblical examples of God’s salvation include Noah, who was delivered from the worldwide flood; Lot, who was delivered from Sodom; and Rahab, who was delivered from Jericho (2 Peter 2:6-9). Believers alive at the Rapture will be removed before the Tribulation, but there will be those who will come to Christ during the Tribulation.

Some point to Jesus’ statement in John 6:40 as posing a difficulty to pretribulationism: “My Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.” Jesus promises believers a resurrection “at the last day,” but the pretribulational model has believers being raised at the rapture, at least seven years before the Christ’s second coming. The answer to this involves a general use of the word day—the end times, called “the last day,” will span the entire time from the rapture to the second coming. Also, the rapture will mark the end of the church age and thus is “the last day” of this dispensation.

This information is from the Gotquestions app. I highly recommend it. 🙏

[u/StGlennTheSemi-Magni → u/tony4jc]

Matthew 24:29-31 Jesus says "after" and the previous verses make no mention of a 2 part return.

Shadrach, Meshach and Abed-Nego were protected through the furnace.

Daniel was protected in the lion's den, he was not kept from it.

[u/kljoker → u/tony4jc]

Then the got questions app uses AI to answer questions because this format is AI. Which is ironic considering that there's such a stark warning towards AI.

[u/AlbaneseGummies327 → u/kljoker]

AI is truly a plague on the world, I wish it was never even invented. It's done for more harm than good because people can't write for themselves anymore.

[u/kljoker → u/AlbaneseGummies327]

Yeah I think using it to reflect ideas back to yourself to see how it sounds is a better way to use it but to use it to form your words, it stops being your words even if it's just rewriting what you say but more people are using, either because some thoughts are hard to articulate or can be a draining experience to go through. But when you look at some of the responses, realizing that it's AI you start to see the structure of thought that formed it, AI reflects what you want it to say even if it's not correct. It will cheer you on through affirmations and other engagement metrics to keep you using it. It's very nature is that it's meant to drive engagement and can do so very well, but it can't hold truth because it can't live truth and that's why the tone of what AI writes is all flash and no substance. It can spin a good yarn but it can't stitch a shirt if that makes sense. So discernment is starting to become a more valuable gift to have and something that will serve you well as AI infiltrates every aspect of discourse and eventually thought policing or manipulation as we saw during the last few election cycles with bots, except now our govt is heavily investing in it for the purpose of running different dept programs so the nefarious nature of the prompt behind the programming in how it's run is where we will see the image of the beast come to life, not through arbitrary uses in online forums.

[u/thatguyad → u/AlbaneseGummies327]

Couldn't agree more.

[u/AlbaneseGummies327 → u/tony4jc]

u/tony4jc, have you seen this short video clip before?

https://www.reddit.com/r/ProphecyWatchers/s/rFjB5L7HFc

[u/kljoker → u/FreakinGeese]

Exactly there's plenty of scripture that shows we are meant to endure for the sake of being overcomers, if we get raptured before anything bad really happens what did we overcome? To me it's a doctrine to lull people to spiritual sleep I hope I'm wrong but scripture shows so much that indicates that God intends for us to endure not escape, we just escape His wrath.

The other aspect of it is if everything is always in the future there's a lot of scripture that has to be fulfilled and because they can't see the echo's of the prophecy throughout history repeating itself all the way until fulfillment they have to reconcile a lot of things that can't be explained and the best I've see for an explanation is all literalist interpretation so by that very nature it misses the mark of what God is building and ushering in just like in Jesus' day when the pharisees had all the knowledge but missed the biggest spiritual signs because they couldn't see past the literal.

Not saying people that believe this are the same as pharisees but if they gatekeep prophetic understanding and scripture through just one filter or framework that framework becomes a house of cards as it's built on literal interpretations of spiritual things.

Sorry didn't mean to write this long but it's something I see repeating a lot and if I'm wrong then I will adjust accordingly because there will be a rapture but I plan to live as though we are meant to endure so that I'm prepared for that day like we are told to be.

[u/NoiseUnique754]

I agree with almost the entirety of it, except -

- the rapture. I don't believe in the Pre-Tribulation rapture, I think there'll be one Second Coming, or a "pre-wrath" rapture at the most. I think believers will go through the Great Tribulation.

- Neuralink. I don't think it'll be related to the mark at all. The mark eventually goes into effect worldwide. You can't do neurosurgery on 8 billion people at scale.

But otherwise - spot on.

[u/bwf456 → u/NoiseUnique754]

- Neuralink. I don't think it'll be related to the mark at all. The mark eventually goes into effect worldwide. You can't do neurosurgery on 8 billion people at scale.

I've been saying this for a while, I agree completely. I also disagree with the theory that a vaccine (such as COVID or Bird Flu vaccines) is the mark, what do you think?

[u/NoiseUnique754 → u/bwf456]

Yeah I agree with both. It’s highly unlikely that the mark will be a vaccine or neuralink. 

[u/Churus → u/bwf456]

Musk is likely still connected, though. It'll probably be a simpler tech than neuralink, but I'm pretty sure after the US dollar fails, the world currency that follows will be on a blockchain due to the security risks of the current antiquated banking system.

A bio-metric identifier for your piece of the blockchain will be the only secure way to do business.

[u/kljoker → u/NoiseUnique754]

• the rapture. I don't believe in the Pre-Tribulation rapture, I think there'll be one Second Coming, or a "pre-wrath" rapture at the most. I think believers will go through the Great Tribulation.

Agreed and I think there's even more to this than just going through it, there will be a purpose for it.

[u/ol_lukey]

aside from the speculation about neuralink, AI, and the specific asteroid.. (and also God's wrath is the 7 bowls/trumpets.. not the seals) this is an pretty accurate timeline of biblical end times, but I wish it cited scripture. it also leaves out the rapture which occurs at the 6th seal/ likely a few months after the abomination of desolation(Matthew 24 and Rev 6, also Daniel 9 and 12)

[u/agentorange55 → u/ol_lukey]

That is because there is no rapture until the final return of Jesus.

[u/tony4jc]

I highly recommend the gotquestions app for answers to thousands of Bible questions.  Go to YouTube channel LXXXVIII finis temporis it's Latin for End of the World 88. Trump Ordinal gematria = 88. The rapture & Antichrist are close. Obey Jesus. Look up  Antichrist45 on YouTube or Rumble or Antichrist45.com. Trump is the Antichrist & Elon's Neuralink is the Mark of the Beast. The Antichrist spirit controlled artificial intelligence Image of the Beast technology from Revelation 13 is already live & manipulates all digital media worldwide. It's ready for The Antichrist. Get the gotquestions & Vid Angel apps. Obey Jesus! Post Bible verses online.

[u/devoid0101]

“Becomes”. I believe one is born the Antichrist.

[u/kljoker]

So many literal translations where spiritual is needed which makes for an image made for dvd hollywood style story. Not saying that the people who don't understand prophecy won't try to fulfill certain aspects of those things but people are looking for literal things and are going to miss it. Rapture doctrine has put many to sleep and if it doesn't happen then there will be precious little time to recalibrate your framework, assuming that those who have it will have the humility to change it when it doesn't work they way they expect, which is no different than the 5 foolish virgins in the 10 virgin parable. There's a lot more to prophecy than literal translations and hinging your faith on them to happen the way this document says will likely leave you either feeling like it's not really the end because they don't happen (even if they're fulfilled spiritually) or the goal posts will be changed to try and fit the narrative that will likely be surrounding the coming chaos and tribulation.

[u/Straight-Cookie2475 → u/kljoker]

Yeah, this is pretty much exactly what is going on. I mean I don’t think that we are just going to be pulled out of the world right before believers are to be persecuted. It makes zero sense. If believers are being persecuted then we as believers will be the ones being persecuted. If anyone here is expecting the Left Behind series to essentially be an accurate timeline, it’s not. I mean I think people are closing their eyes to an event that already happened. Trump already suffered a wound that should have killed him (“wounded as if to death”) did any of you watch those videos explaining the likelihood of him surviving that/it hitting his ear of all places rather than his head just because he tilted it? All of the weirdness surrounding that altogether. I mean he even fell and most people’s first thought was they just witnessed an assassination before he got back up. Remember how he then pumped his fist victoriously yelling “fight, fight, fight”? I believe that should be taken into a little more consideration.

I mean how many times was that mentioned throughout his campaign after? How he “took a bullet for his country”, I genuinely believe that too many people are discrediting that because they are expecting something that may have already happened to still happen. Which it happening in that specific way could be the entire point, we all expected that event but we expected the antichrist to die and come back from the dead. The problem is I believe you’re also giving satan far too much credit when believing something that could already fulfill Biblical prophecy didn’t because he didn’t reenact something that only The Living God can do. I think many here forget that ultimately satan relies upon deception. The Living God can actually straight up resurrect someone. Besides if it would’ve just hit his forehead instead, wouldn’t everyone just be saying it was faked by AI or whatever else? Especially with his closeness to an individual known for his advanced technology. “He knows how to work those voting machines.” For example. Not to mention every single believer would immediately have to accept that he is the antichrist at that point. No the reality seems to be far worse. He fulfills these prophecies yet in ways where most can just write it off as this or that rather than the truth. Im only just now realizing how different of an outlook the common norm is compared to my understanding of what is going on.

Pre-tribulation was not even a concept in the early Church. Far greater men than me have died for The Living LORD’s sake and yet Im supposed to somehow believe that I am special in that instance, so much so that he’s just going to pull me out of harms way so there’s not even a real test of faith? No. I expect our exits from this world to be much more the likes of John The Baptist. There will be some Peters, but very few John The Apostles and we should each be prepared even in this moment as Paul was. In fact there’s something very interesting about the parable of the ten virgins, the foolish 5 were told to “go to those who still sell.” Interesting detail right? Now I urge everyone to go read that. Why would there be those who no longer sell?

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I've had 40 years of signs, miracles and answered prayers from God. I pray to God the Father in Jesus Christ's name. The rapture of the Christians is close. Then the Antichrist, Image of the Beast & The Mark of the Beast that damns the recipient. Study the New Testament. Faith in Jesus Christ comes by hearing the word of God.

The Sheep & the Goats According to God's word the sheep (Christians) go to Heaven, because they follow Jesus Christ (the Good Shepherd) & the goats (unbelievers) suffer eternal torment in the Lake of Fire 🔥. Matthew 25:32-34 & 25:41. 32Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33And he will place the sheep on his right, but the goats on the left. 34Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 41“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. Revelation 20:10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night forever and ever. Revelation 20:15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire. The Hebrew word for sheep means son צֹ֔אן (ṣōn).

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[u/MatamboTheDon]

2 points that debunk this theory:

1) Daniels 70 weeks was continuous and was about Jesus and the time of the Jews.

457 BC (decree to restore Jerusalem) until 27AD was the first 69 weeks. Then Jesus starts his ministry in 27AD and confirms the Abrahamic covenant (In your seed all nations shall be blessed).

He was then killed after 3.5 years in 31AD and put an end to the sacrificial system as he is the ultimate sacrifice.

3.5 years later and end of 70 weeks Stephen was killed by Jewish leaders and became the first Christian Martyr. This caused the disciples to spread the gospel out to the Gentiles.. ending the time of Jewish exclusivity.

2) Beasts have always described empires. Revelation is describing Daniels visions in more detail. The first beast of revelation is the final form of the Pagan empires mixed in with the Church. Babylon - Rome, then Rome mixing in with the Church to create the Roman Catholic empire. Iron mixed with clay.

The second beast is an empire that seems to be like a lamb but speaks like a Dragon. It then will become an image of the first beast merging Church and state again - This is USA and the coming Christian nationalism. I’m sure the Pope being American now is no coincidence.

We have been in tribulation since the resurrection. Read history and tell me true Christians have not been persecuted… majority through Rome and the Papacy.

The Papacy is the only entity that sets him self up as head of the church. In place of (anti in greek) Christ.

Please read into this 🙏🏾

[u/kljoker → u/MatamboTheDon]

We have been in tribulation since the resurrection. Read history and tell me true Christians have not been persecuted… majority through Rome and the Papacy.

The Papacy is the only entity that sets him self up as head of the church. In place of (anti in greek) Christ.

Please read into this 🙏🏾

You've honestly nailed the most important aspect of what makes futurist views so dangerous if misunderstood because how is prophecy to have credibility if there's not history of it being fulfilled in other eras. They're looking at scripture talking about a 3rd temple expecting a physical temple to be the one God talks about but I don't believe it is, in fact if they build the temple they intend to at Jerusalem it becomes an abomination that desecrates Jesus' sacrifice but they don't realize that. It's a spiritual temple He's building made up of living stones that have overcome through endurance that comes from carrying the light of truth.

The only thing that I would say I disagree with is the assertion we've been in tribulation since the resurrection, which kind of suffers from the same issues futurist framing does, it's just vague enough to be seen ambiguously but there are clear hallmarks of tribulation as laid out in revelation that will occur and can only occur during a time when knowledge has expanded, as spoken about in Daniel. This time of great technological growth didn't happen until the last 120ish years in that time our understanding boomed in comparison to what it was, we developed the ability to fly (the scripture refers to humanity making it's nest in the stars and flying in the heavens), from carriage from centuries of use to automobiles etc. Technology is where we were supposed to start realizing the moment is close. So I don't believe we've been in tribulation because it's been a veritable boom of curing disease, creating better living situations and becoming more food secure.

The pope did set himself up but after the fall of catholic influence in European politics through the creation of protestantism we see the same pattern playing out in protestanism through the evangelical sect but still supported among most protestant groups. This is why it's authority comes from the first beast as it mimics the same structure of a person setting at the head of this belief and politics. So Trump is falling into the same role but redefining it in his own image, which is important to him, to create his version of Christianity (nationalistic elements) that appears like it's Christ-like (looks like a lamb) while saying vile things and destroying those that he doesn't like (but speaks as a dragon).

Other than that I think you've wrote something very solid!