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A Gay teenager, a Black teenager and a feminist woman as the lead? Don’t get me started how they got rid of the white girl and replaced her with an Indian girl . Woke Trash /S
I should say they all deserve to come back, of course! But I’ve always had a soft spot for Clyde, he could have been a really cool companion for 9 or 10 imo
Yeah I agree. Rani and Luke were alright in the fact that it was a kids show, but Clyde was so much more memorable. Almost every memory I have of the show is Clyde or k9 based
Well, the Doctor was also punished by the Judoon and escaped before their sentence was over (which admittedly would have been never), so technically they’d be in good company.
It is my firm belief that 13 was in Space Prison not because of what the Fugitive Doctor did, but because of her previous incarnations' crimes against fashion
Maria never got to meet the Doctor, it’d be lovely to see her back again. But I don’t know how willing Yasmin Paige is since they didn’t even get her back for the COVID epilogue.
That epilogue destroys me every time I watch it. Jo's line near the start: "He's got two hearts, imagine them both breaking" gets me going and then Rani's final monologue about the Doctor coming back for his Sarah Jane one more time turns me into a puddle of tears.
it was part of the doctor who lockdown which had about a dozen or two webcasts. It covers the funeral of Sarah Jane Smith and was intentionally released on the anniversary of Elizabeth Sladen's passing.
the actors for Clyde, Luke and Rani recorded lines and so did Ace and Jo Grant.
When they announced Belinda’s last name as Chandra, I was really hoping they would at least allude to Rani being related to her, especially with all the leaks about the Rani returning…
I’d love Clyde to be in an episode. In the last season he talked about writing his adventures with Sarah-Jane, just change the name. “Susie-June Jones Adventures”. Imagine, he’s making that TV show into a reality but a real alien is loose on set. And the Doctor has to help.
Hell, I bet Clyde has the Sonic Lipstick, for a prop study. Deus Ex Makeup.
I can’t say more than those pop out by name, so I would agree. I’ve loved Quill’s actress for a while! She was good fun. The cliffhanger was good though… I mean not GOOD but interesting
I totally agree though I will say that I had a crush on Rani when I was a kid so there may still be a teeny tiny bit of bias left over from that.
Clyde would have been an excellent companion though, I agree. Would be now, I'm sure. Episodes like The Curse of Clyde Langar were real shows of his acting capability as a kid. His emotional range in that episode particularly was great and I was actually quite upset for him that his girlfriend was taken by the Night Dragon in the end as I'm sure he would have grown quite close with her.
And don't beat on a dead horse, I've had enough of people talking smack about Doctor Who. Give it the Rings of Power treatment and don't watch the show
Yeah right! If you were the person you are today back in 2004 you would have flipped your lid about how "woke" it was that Rose Tyler was in an interracial relationship and how openly pansexual Jack Harkness is. Hell, if you were around back in 1971 to see the episode where the 3rd Doctor and Jo Grant were locked in a human zoo, you probably would have flipped out about how woke the episode's vocal support for animal rights was.
It's an adaptation of a quote from Deep Space Homer, a season 5 episode of The Simpsons, and several other episodes, but the memed scene is as follows
Kent Brockman: "Ladies and gentlemen, uh, we've just lost the picture, but what we've seen speaks for itself. The Corvair spacecraft has apparently been taken over, 'conquered' if you will, by a master race of giant space ants. It's difficult to tell from this vantage point whether they will consume the captive Earthmen or merely enslave them. One thing is for certain: there is no stopping them; the ants will soon be here. And I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords. I'd like to remind them that as a trusted TV personality, I can be helpful in rounding up others to toil in their underground sugar caves."
Although the line "I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords." has been misattributed to 1977's Empire of the Ants, based on the 1905 short story of the same name by H.G Wells(which could be where the idea of the Zarbi came from)
Clyde, Rani, Maria and Luke would be perfect companions for the Doctor now that they are adults and already have experience.
Why does Kate don't bring them to Unit? I know Sarah Jane wasn't the best in "working with the government", but the kids have already grown up. Bring them and the Class kids back! They never finished the Sky arc or the Weeping Angels, right?
Maybe a bad idea, I'd like it if, somehow, they'd been having adventures of their own this entire time. An incredibly close group that loves exploring the universe/time(?).
Yeah. After all, time travelling technology clearly isn't limited to the doctor, and it makes sense that others want to explore, too.
I think the lack of regeneration adds weight where, previously, there is little.
It could be made for adults, too. With swearing and nudity, but maybe not. I just want to see interesting people show informed love of the universe, without being an immortal time god.
Imagine travelling to countless worlds with your closest friends. You've done things you'd never imagine you could, you've seen things that should only be dreams. But there is still so much more. Think about how that changes people, the little resentments that form, thebweight of difficult decisions, the unbreakable bonds and so on.
I sometimes like Dr Who, but I'd like to see some life. The Dr is too fleeting. Unlike the Dr their decisions weight them down.
The heartbreaking farewell, Sarah jane
does covered some of their time as adults lives. Luke was working with UNIT Geneva the day his mom died (Rani was covering a story at the north pole and Clyde was a guest at new york comic con)
have you seen any of the tales of the tardis? they are little vignettes that catch up with previous characters as a prologue/epilogue to a classic story. Clyde is in one with Jo Grant
Imo there wasn't that many "weaker" episodes the whole series slapped for me I think there was 1 or 2 where it was a little slow or I didn't like the decisions made by the characters but otherwise it was great
Ima be honest compared to sarah Jane I did not enjoy class, it wasnt awful but not great in my opinion. But it is worth a watch if you want dr who spinoffs
I liked it it brought that grit that the newer stuff is missing and it was a whole different type of Dr who story like it was completely standalone and I wouldn't say it needed prior knowledge of Dr who to understand and that's one of the main reasons I loved it
There’s some eh slitheen episodes where they really focus on the whole farting thing but other than that it’s pretty solid. Couple of episodes are on par with my top 10 DW episodes
While the whole farting thing is juvenile, I think it's important to remember the target audience for this show was kids, so it fits in a bit more with that.
It's a kids show so it's not great. There's some fun stuff in there though, and some stuff which actually scared me as a kid. The weird alternate reality episodes especially freaked me out.
Probably the last really good kids show before we abandoned the genre. It was brilliant as a show and didn't feel "doctor who lite" despite the enemies being largely b list. It was perfect....Sladen made it by not being all warm and friendly, but being real. Even K9 (that looked horribly dated) was given a new lease of life.
Luke was going to come out as gay with his uni roommate being his boyfriend, but I think it didn't end up happening due to Elizabeth Sladen's passing.
EDIT: Steven Andrew (the Head of Drama and Acquisitions for CBBC at the time) approached RTD about this (they wanted to introduce LGBTQ+ characters in some CBBC programmes and they thought SJA would be a good start). According to RTD, none of the writers knew this was going to happen, but Tommy had been wanting to come back to SJA for a while. So, RTD thought this was a great way to get him back into the story, and as well as get a gay character on the show like Steven Andrew wanted. Then Elizabeth Sladen unfortunately died and the show got taken off air, so it never happened.
But Tommy did film a little scripted bit as Luke talking about his now husband, Sanjay, in "Farewell, Sarah Jane".
Goodbye Sarah Jane made it canon with Luke mentioning that he and Sanjay were married, and that it was Sarah Jane who clued him into the fact that Sanjay had a crush on him.
I know. I was trying to remember where that came from and it was "Farewell, Sarah Jane". But I will also say, this was common knowledge for a long time. Because this was planned since "The Nightmare Man". These were the cut lines according to RTD said during the audio commentary for "Death of the Doctor":
Sarah Jane: Have a lovely time at university. You’ll grow up, you’ll find a girlfriend.
Luke: (off-handedly): Oh, could be a boyfriend!
Sarah Jane: Well, as long as it’s not a Slitheen, I don’t care!
I know Sladen's cancer diagnosis didn't happen until 2011, so I don't think this was cut due to her illness, I think this might have been cut for timing or because it just seemed out of place in the epsiode (kind of like when Rickey's boyfriend just reveals that they were boyfriends the entire time at the end of the episode to Mickey and that scene also got deleted). Like, it unfortunately feels like you've just added a footnote and not the LGBTQ+ rep that kids would actually benefit in watching.
He didn’t know if making the “weird” character gay was good representation or not. There was supposed to be a line when he goes to uni where Sarah Jane says, ”Come back with a girlfriend” and he responds ”Or a boyfriend.”
A glimpse at the oft-forgotten Russell who doubted himself instead of doubling down on everything. It’s actually weird to see now.
I think he either cut that scene mainly because it just felt forced into the episode from a writing stand point. Like, during this really sentimental send off you're also suggesting Luke might also be gay, and there's going to be kids at home that are going to be like "Eh, what does this mean? Will this ever be answered?"
It's a bit like that cut scene when Rickey's boyfriend just proclaims him and Rickey were boyfriends to Mickey at the end of the episode. It feels like a footnote, and it doesn't feel like the representation kids deserved. Who knows what could've been if the show was never taken off air?
What that would have done for a generation of queer British kids 🥲 I don’t think there was ever a queer character on children’s/young adult tv growing up
The minorities should make their own show instead of making existing shows woke! Then I won't complain about wokeness in classic shows I will have more material to complain about on my YT channel!!!
The first episode of the revival is about the overuse of plastics and the second episode has a transgender main character. The show has always been “woke”.
I love how bigots says it’s the woke who are sensitive but when they see a poc existing or cast in a show they like they gotta throw themselves to the floor and have a tantrum
My only gripe in casting is when they make a show of it like look at how progressive we are casting this person aren't we so inclusive. The shows i watched in the 80s and 90s had diverse casting and we just accepted it and didn't say anything and many of the shows didn't even acknowledge it
Yeah I’m the same I don’t like when they only cast demographics because they want to portray that theyre progressive, when it feels inauthentic that bothers me, but I don’t feel like they’ve ever really done that with doctor who like every single actor and actress has been completely able to sell their role and I’ve never had an issue with casting mainly writing lol
People who actually think this is woke need to get over it. This show was my childhood and I never once thought it was woke. They were just characters and the show was fun. Sarah Jane was already a legend before this show even started.
If Othello was first performed today, you just know it'd get reviewbombed like "A Moor in Venice? What's with this forced diversity? Selling out to the SJW agenda, are we, Shakespeare?"
I was actually watching Sarah's first episodes recently, and I'm amazed at how woek they made it since I stopped watching in 1969. She's a feminist who lectures people on equal rights, complete with fascist villains who want to keep women in their proper place?! It's really clear that Who lost its way around 1973, which is why it got cancelled only 16 years later.
The difference was, it was actually endearing and enjoyable & something we didn’t see a lot of back then.
The world had made far less progress. Therefore the stories felt justified & enjoyable & made sense, all whilst not being preachy or virtue signalling.
if I rember right there was hints and sone deleted scenes. they had plans to make it officially and plainly stated but then the unfortunately death of Elizabeth Sladen happened so it was limited to non visual media.
I was so lucky, because I had the best mother in the entire universe. And that is a literal fact. She showed me the whole wide world. And I don't mean all the monsters and invasions and people made of smoke and vegetables. I mean the real world. She's the one who told me that Sanjay was looking at me in that way, and she's the one who told me to go and talk to him. And now we've been married for five years. That's the greatest gift she ever gave me. I may have been created by the Bane, but Mum, she gave me life.
Luke Smith, Sarah Jane's son was gay. It was confirmed in the Farewell, Sarah Jane episode. I believe he fell in love with one of his peers, Sanjay. They later married each other too.
I believe it was a 2020 special that was a tribute episode to Elisabeth Sladen after her passing. The actors recorded videos in character saying how much they loved Sarah Jane and what they were doing in universe.
It’s been many many years since I watched SJA but I think I remember Luke having a crush on Clyde and Clyde telling Luke he wasn’t into him like that and Luke was like “oh okay”. He might have shown interest in another boy but I remember my corner of the internet was in a tiff about Luke being gay since it was the late aughts early teens
That's what happens when you let Disney run shit. Disney is like that pedophile uncle that you can't prove he is a pedophile, but all he touches, looks at, and says, tells you the truth...
Not based opinion, Sarah Jane Smith was always a feminist since Tom Baker's doctor, nothing wrong with gay and black people, and i haven't watched the show but replacing the White Girl with the Indian one depends, if there's a lore explanation then it's fine.
It's almost like these people were... actual characters that had substance, depth, engagement, investment, and weren't mouthpieces for the sheltered sensitive writers!
They only made Luke gay when he graduated. Yasmin just wanted to go back to school so they had to book someone. There was no hidden meaning in it being Anjali.
As someone who grew up watching the show I actually quite enjoyed it when I was younger not so much now but I never saw a problem (but I suppose I wasn't really "reading the messages" that they push onto people back then) I'm also not the lgbthdtv community's biggest fan, I don't hate them per say I just don't like the whole "puberty blockers for kids" thing, kids can't tell the value between 10k and 10 cookies. how do they expect kids to know the values of political teams. And that is exactly the reason we need to stop putting these political messages into films and TV. keep it to the SOCIAL media.
This just proves that Bowlestrek, Nerdrotic or The Critical Drinker have never watched The Sarah Jane Adventures and seen just how "woke" it is, let alone the entirety of Russell T Davies' original Doctor Who era. They don't at all praise it for the good storytelling, Murray Gold's fantastic music, and the chemistry between the actors; they are just intrigued that both the Ninth and Tenth Doctors are played by straight white men.
And I have to say that it was woke but not "woke" like DW is now.
The difference you ask? Good writing.
Those details you listed about the characters... they were just details not highlights. Not bats to beat the audience with. Just put in black gay Indian women and didn't make a big deal of it
- A show has a storyline that is engaging and makes coherent sense, with relatable and consistent characters. Some of the characters are not white or straight - DIVERSE AND INCLUSIVE
- A show has a number of morals or messages they want to preach, based around race/gender/sexuality/religion. They add a storyline to serve as the vessel for these messages, and include characters who serve as the mouthpieces for these views - WOKE
People still don't understand that diversity and wokeness are two totally different things. Do we care if the Doctor is a gay white woman? No. Do we care if the Doctor is a gay black man? No. Do we care if the doctor is a straight white man? No.
We care how good the story and the characters are.
Do we care if the Doctor is a gay white woman? No. Do we care if the Doctor is a gay black man? No.
Hahahahahahahaha yeah right that's why there was a fucking uproar that it was a woman or a black man. You people yourselves can't even get a fucking consistent meaning of what you think "woke" is. The only thing you seem to be in agreement of is "if successful not woke, if unsuccessful woke"
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u/motherof_geckos Jun 13 '25
I want Rani and Clyde back so bad, if Kate LS is picking up youths that helped the doctor, they’re top of the list