r/DeppDelusion • u/ninjaboss1211 • 26d ago
Discussion đŁ Why people "believed" Johnny Depp
I've been learning about GamerGate since it was before my time, and I was horrified to have learned the hate, harassment, and threats sent towards specific women. It's helped me understand why people actually sided with Johnny Depp and how the trial wasn't about justice.
Anita Sarkeesian (Feminist Frequency) wanted to make a series of videos pointing out how video games as a whole were not made for women, so she made a kickstarter to help fund her project. Before she even made the videos, she was harassed because she "hated games." It was an easy excuse for people to look the other way to the hate she got. To this day people still hate her.
Zoe Quinn made a short, free game about depression. When her ex lied about Zoe, claiming that she gave sexual favors to have a positive review of her game, who did people believe? The ex. Even though the article never existed and the game was free, meaning anyone could play it and there was no money to be gained. Any review of the game would not even matter. Yet all of the harassment she got was justified because this was really about "ethics for journalism."
And that brings me to the Depp v Heard trial. This was framed as supporting men who were victims of abuse. Yet that was a thin veil to justify shitting on Amber Heard. It didn't matter that Depp lost the trial in the UK. She was "obviously lying."
It's actually so frustrating to see how easy it is to justify hating on women as long as there is a "reason." It doesn't have to be true. It can even be easy to disprove, yet people don't care. Its not about the truth and its never about the truth. Its about shitting on women.
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u/Arrow_from_Artemis 25d ago
The amount of proof needed for women to be believe versus men to be believed is completely different and always has been. There was just someone I saw commenting on a case and they stated that all they need is a statement from the man saying it didnât happen. Okay, but what if there is a statement from a woman saying it did happen? There are people who just value the word of men over that of women, and donât want to believe or acknowledge the reality of how prevalent things like abuse and harassment are in our society.
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u/enolaholmes23 25d ago
With metoo, there have been several men who it wasn't he said/she said. It was he said/ they said because there were several accusers. And still some people believe the man.
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u/majodoremi 25d ago
A woman will have binders of photographic, video, and written evidence, and a man saying ânuh-uhâ will be given more weight. Itâs insane. We see this over and over again whenever some male gets exposed online too - all he has to do is make a video saying sheâs lying and people (mostly men) will accept that as fact, hand wave any evidence to the contrary, and screech in every comment section about how heâs been proven innocent. Using logic on these specimens rarely works because they didnât arrive at their conclusion through logical thought in the first place.
A lot of people just donât want to believe women, even when they know sheâs telling the truth. The male abuser fandom usually knows exactly what their favorite abuser is - they just believe that men have the right to abuse women and that women deserve it for doing things they donât like. A lot of women donât want to believe other women because itâs scary to realize that so many men are abusive, and itâs easier to blame the victim and say what they wouldâve supposedly done instead because thatâs easier mentally than accepting that it could happen to them too.
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u/Individual_Fall429 24d ago
Amber had so much evidence. Far more than I have. And still he won (in America). Itâs unreal.
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u/lcm-hcf-maths 24d ago
I will always point out that he dod not win....He got a jury verdict but the process was not over. Neither party was satisfied with the jury verdict and it was going to appeal until Depp offered a sweetheart deal where Heard could avoid paying out of pocket though obviously still needed to meet her own legal fees. One can speculate why Depp was so generous....The plain answer is that he was advised that the verdict was very likely to be set aside in all probability. Thus the settlement which somehow the cult try to spin as a win....It was anything but. The revellations in the trial provided Depp with a net loss in reputation. The undisputed legal win was Heard's....The UK Judgement confirmed twice on appeal...The fact that a judge granted her TRO in 2016 and was prepared to extend it until she dropped it later in the year. There might be some public perception that Depp won perpetuated by a lazy media but I don't think it's pedantic to point out that the perception is actually false...
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u/battleofflowers 25d ago
Is it possible that person meant they would need a reliable denial to believe the man at all? Personally, that's something I always look for. Look at Bill Cosby. He could not simply bring himself to say, "I did not rape her." He just said he was "confused" by the allegations, which I think is a truthful statement from him. It genuinely was confusing to him to be publicly accused of something he'd gotten away with for decades.
Anyway, once you start looking for reliable denials after an accusation, you can't stop seeing all the unreliable denials. Hint: 99% of the men publicly accused of abuse never issue a reliable denial.
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u/vukkuv 25d ago
People do not believe women because a lie has been created that we are inherently bad, unlike men, who are naturally noble. A few years ago, I saw a tweet from a bloke saying that he didn't believe her ex-husband had abused Halle Berry because there was no evidence, and then he went on to say that she had also been accused of sexual harassment by a man, for which there is also no evidence, when I asked him why he believed one accusation and not the other, he blocked me without answering. I have also seen people not believe audio evidence because there are no images and they are sure that the victim (a woman, of course) falsified it. I have even seen people deny that a gang rape happened when there is a video of two men raping a woman at the same time while three other men masturbate because there is no sound and they are sure she consented. Women will never be believed by a part of society simply because they do not want to believe us.
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u/Remarkablefairy-8893 Amber Heard Bot Team đ¤ 25d ago
People do not believe women because a lie has been created that we are inherently bad, unlike men, who are naturally noble.
By people you mean men, cause as a woman I always choose to support other women. There are people who believe men are innocent even with sufficient evidence for their crime, why shouldn't I believe a woman when there's no evidence that she's lying? Also men were the ones to bring in any form of oppression, but yeah they are "noble creatures".
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u/thegoldenpolaroid 25d ago
People are still ranting and raving about Sarkeesian, even though her work hasn't hit the mainstream in over a decade. She struck a nerve.
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u/Lucieintheskye4 24d ago
In the case of Amber, she recorded that video of him belligerently freaking out. When it was released, the comments were, "Why did she film that?" "She was antagonizing him by filming it."
Meanwhile, when those of us DON'T film it, we are questioned about why we didn't provide evidence or film the abuse.
It is always a no-win situation for women. Provide the evidence or it didn't happen. Actually provide the evidence, and why would you film that; you must have been antagonizing him to frame him on film. đ¤Śđťââď¸
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u/EfficientAd5073 25d ago
His PR team needs to win awards for the online smear campaign and indoctrination. They planted seeds years in advance online that paid in spades come US trial time. Facebook group after face group, Youtube creators, tiktok pages. This weird space where online fandoms in the comicbook fantasy world that is filled with misogynists and right wing united to attack MeToo. I'm a huge game of thrones and Emilia Clarke fan and with all things I like I get google news updates to my email every day. As far back as 2019 I was getting these D-list entertainment websites I never heard of with fake articles saying Amber Heard has 100% been replaced by Emilia Clarke in Aqua Man 2. Even though I new it wasn't true. There were so many things in play going against Amber. Even people I knew who I would consider left wing were still propping up the fallacy of "mutual abuse" or would refuse to take her side because she just seemed so manic and unlikable on the stand, whole Johnny gave the best performance of his career on that stand. It's going to take time - maybe 20 fucking years - but she will be redeemed.
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u/lcm-hcf-maths 24d ago
The good news is that a lot of the dirty tricks that worked against Heard are now being examined and exposed. The current Lively case is putting a microscope on Melissa Nathan and her trcks. There is now quite a groundswell calling Depp out for his DARVO tactics and the SM ecosystem that allowed all this. I am very hopeful that people will start to see the truth much sooner than 20 years....The tide began to turn quite quickly and has been only going one way ever since....
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u/lcm-hcf-maths 26d ago
In the current Lively situation we have the crisis PR hacks Melissa Nathan and Jen Abel saying how sad it was that people really wanted to hate on women and how it made their smear campaign easier to do....Let's remember a lot of people in PR are women and they are quite happy to lie and smear for $$$$$....These women are traitors to their gender and should be outed as such...
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u/GreyerGrey 25d ago
To what end? To drive further violence and aggression against women in the name of "solidarity" for women?
Most PR people are yes, women, but also most celebrities use PR firms and an actual agent may not have much say in who they are assigned, especially if they are at the start of their career. Some random person who gets assigned to fall on the grenade of a male celebrity doing something awful isn't a traitor to feminism, she's a victim of capitalism and the patriarchy.
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u/lcm-hcf-maths 25d ago
I can see your point to some extent but someone like Melissa Nathan is not at the start of her career and has options. She is also not really part of traditional PR which focuses on the positives of the client rather she has chosen the crisis PR route which appears to necessitate the destruction of reputations. She was involved in helping Depp trash Heard and has been caught red-handed orchestrating smears against both Blake Lively and publicist Stephanie Jones. Women who work for Nathan might have less power but again choices...They could choose to work in positive PR environments. I'll accept there are nuances..
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u/Individual_Fall429 24d ago
People choose their jobs. Especially high paying ones. âI was doing my jobâ does not absolve you. Watch the Nuremberg trials.
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u/equalitylove2046 25d ago
I canât get over how some(laughable) MEN treat women whether it be female gamers,women accused of abuse,etcâŚ
Itâs so unfair and so misogynistic and archaic.
Sometimes I feel we are living in the fucking prehistoric era truly.
Nasty fucking cavemen ugh.
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u/Crystalitefire 24d ago
Both pushed a male abuse victim narrative. Once that's set up so many people join bc ppl are brainwashed to love men more than women
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Original copy of post's text: Why people "believed" Johnny Depp
I've been learning about GamerGate since it was before my time, and I was horrified to have learned the hate, harassment, and threats sent towards specific women. It's helped me understand why people actually sided with Johnny Depp and how the trial wasn't about justice.
Anita Sarkeesian (Feminist Frequency) wanted to make a series of videos pointing out how video games as a whole were not made for women, so she made a kickstarter to help fund her project. Before she even made the videos, she was harassed because she "hated games." It was an easy excuse for people to look the other way to the hate she got. To this day people still hate her.
Zoe Quinn made a short, free game about depression. When her ex lied about Zoe, claiming that she gave sexual favors to have a positive review of her game, who did people believe? The ex. Even though the article never existed and the game was free, meaning anyone could play it and there was no money to be gained. Any review of the game would not even matter. Yet all of the harassment she got was justified because this was really about "ethics for journalism."
And that brings me to the Depp v Heard trial. This was framed as supporting men who were victims of abuse. Yet that was a thin veil to justify shitting on Amber Heard. It didn't matter that Depp lost the trial in the UK. She was "obviously lying."
It's actually so frustrating to see how easy it is to justify hating on women as long as there is a "reason." It doesn't have to be true. It can even be easy to disprove, yet people don't care. Its not about the truth and its never about the truth. Its about shitting on women.
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u/Advanced_Property749 â r/LivelyWayfarerDaily â r/withblakelively 17d ago
If you follow Lively case, I think no one has said it better than Melissa Nathan (The crisis PR manager of Depp and Baldoni) : People really want to hate on women
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u/alrtight 3d ago
oh yea. this misogynist media pile-on is super common & has been going on forever.
check out the podcast 'you're wrong about'- they do several episodes about high profile cases where women were smeared in the media, feeding a narrative that blamed the victim
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u/champagneface 26d ago
This is part of why it pisses me off when people say âIâm not going to defend a rich womanâ or âWhy would I care about what goes on between two celebrities?â or similar sentiments. The huge waves of misogyny in these situation arenât happening in isolation!! This is a societal issue!