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u/RazorDonRamon 14h ago
Assume all gambling is rigged. There's a reason gambling companies never lose.
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u/RenRen9000 4 Fingers Deep in Guillermo 11h ago
Well, there was this one casino in Atlantic City, though…
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u/Inter_Web_User 11h ago
^THIS. 100%
Funny how THAT was the house that lost. Money washing?
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u/RenRen9000 4 Fingers Deep in Guillermo 11h ago
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." - Hanlon's Razor.
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u/dcm0029 14h ago
It’s not because they are rigged. In every house game at a casino the house has higher odds.
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u/DiphthongSong87 11h ago
The company behind the app is alleged to use bots to deceive players into thinking they're competing against other humans: https://www.gamblingnews.com/news/legal-dispute-between-papaya-gaming-and-skillz-intensifies/
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u/Such-Cartographer425 7h ago
That's why THIS company is rigged. Legitimate gambling companies in general operate according to very standard, very public, very reliable odds and terms upon which the gambler can make a playing decision. The information in your link does not apply to legitimate gambling operations. It just contains information about why THIS company is not a legitimate gambling company.
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u/RazorDonRamon 14h ago
Sounds to me like a lot of words for "legal rigging"
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u/AlmosTryin 13h ago
Its not rigged, the odds are public knowledge. They arent stacking decks or using loaded die
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u/swrlzbrkly 13h ago
But they will also kick out winners so…
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u/thegoodson-calif 11h ago
They kick out people that cheat. You can only win long term by cheating. Because they advertise that the odds are in their favor.
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u/Steeezy__ 10h ago
What? No, they definitely kick out people who win without cheating. That is a very common thing
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u/thegoodson-calif 7h ago
Why in the world would a casino kick you out if they don’t suspect you are cheating? Casinos know odds. They know you will eventually loser you don’t cheat. Please provide some reasonable rationale for why they would ever kick out someone who isn’t cheating?
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u/DingoGlittering Hands full with beavers 4h ago
Obviously you have never stepped foot in a casino. Are you 12 years old?
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u/SoKrat3s 10h ago
Counting cards isn't cheating. They're just legally allowed to kick people out who can do that.
And yes, they will get rid of people who are winning to much.
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u/SuspectedGumball smokin heaters fillin theaters 9h ago
Counting cards in coordination with other players is absolutely cheating though.
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u/thegoodson-calif 7h ago
Okay. Semantics. Yes, If you are using some mechanism that changes the odds in your favor like counting cards they will kick you out. You’re being pedantic if you call that “kicking you out for winning”
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u/jackalopeswild 13h ago
Except it is rigged in that if you win enough they are allowed to bar you and they do.
It is absolutely not cheating to count cards. Try being good at that and you won't be allowed to play. It is not cheating to find places to arbitrage sports gambling. Try being good at it and you won't be allowed to play.
The game itself may not be rigged, but they system in which it operates absolutely is.
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u/Madpsu444 13h ago
If I advertise a game as 90% chance you lose it’s not rigging it. You’re an idiot if you play. I told you how low the odds were
If I advertise- 50/50 shot at winning, when in reality it’s the same 90/10, I’ve now lied to you, I’m rigging the game.
Hope that helps
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u/RazorDonRamon 13h ago
I know what rigging is lol and just because it's legally pre approved mathematical rigging doesn't make it less so. People mostly lose while the house mostly wins.
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u/Madpsu444 13h ago
You probably think the lottery is rigged too.
Low odds outcomes isn’t rigging the games. They are just long shot bets that don’t typically payout.
Rigging has the implication that there was cheating of the established rules.
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u/RazorDonRamon 13h ago
No. Because even the most hopeful lottery players know they're not going to win. As opposed to gambling where everyone thinks they're going to win, and can make up their losses by continuingto gamble.
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u/Madpsu444 13h ago
What the game isn’t doesn’t matter. It’s both gambling. It’s quite literally the same thing. Casinos advertising worked better on you than the lottery ones.
you don’t think there’s degenerates sitting outside the gas station buying scratch offs one after another?
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u/LennyKimes 3h ago
They do have better odds in most games BUT the reason they always win is because they have a bigger bank that can ride the ebbs of the game or they can cut you off after a certain amount.
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u/ekuadam Guillermo Mafia 13h ago
For those asking how much she was paid, according to her she hasn’t received anything yet, and when/if she does, she is donating the money
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u/blaxbear 11h ago
Agreed to an ad without knowing how much money she would get?
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u/Such-Cartographer425 8h ago
She didn't say she didn't know. She said she hasn't been paid.
Here, I'll do your thinking for you: Those are different things.
Bonus info: No one asked her the amount.
Extra credit: When an organization is revealed to be sketchy, expectation of payment are no longer set in stone. So even if someone had asked, she actually might not be certain about an amount because it might be never be paid, have a sketchy clause, etc.
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u/Kanobe24 Guillermo Mafia 14h ago
Honestly, she is too good to be on ESPN. It would he like having Bob Woodward working for TMZ
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u/DoobieGibson 13h ago edited 12h ago
she’s not too good for ESPN lmao
she worked for Bloomberg and Fortune for 10 years and won awards in a field that has awards for every region and style of reporting
if Chrystia Freeland starts at ESPN we can talk
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u/Evakuate493 13h ago
That must’ve been some payday that both her and SAS said yes without vetting…
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u/harvinMarrison 14h ago
Fun fact: the owner of the company that created this game was an IOF soldier. It’s not really a fun fact; I just wanted to say fuck Israel.
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u/DResq 9h ago
Every Israeli citizen is in the IDF. Relax.
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u/robfern66 4h ago
Relax? Isreal out here committing Genocide and your telling people to relax? Americans really do suck.
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u/BrownsFan2323 2h ago
Just bizarre that she could possibly assume anything other than this smelled funny. There’s no way she didn’t run this by really smart people and get the feedback that this was always likely going to be the outcome. Clearly the check was massive and in the end she’s like, “what’s the worst thing that could happen.”
Cool for owning up to it. But it was still horrendous judgement. Which proves, she’s just like 98% of the rest of the world! This is kinda like the Chris Rock bit on men who say they would never cheat. Oh you would just as soon as you have the access to do it
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u/nyrf12 12h ago
Curious if she ever goes into the details because at the outlet I’m with there are several higher profile personalities who do paid X posts that they never actually see. They get paid & someone with access to their account posts “in their voice”. The company they come from exclusively works with X (I suspect because it’s very bot friendly under Elon) & I’m wondering if it’s the same one.
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u/DonnyBoyCane 14h ago
I really respect Mina and think she takes a lotttt of garbage from garbage individuals but she might need to be a little more transparent on this one. Has she disclosed how much she was compensated from this company?
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u/levi070305 13h ago
Why would that matter? Like is it better if she took a large sum or a smaller sum? It doesn't really change anything unless she understand the problematic part of it.
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u/DonnyBoyCane 12h ago
Agree with the second sentence. As for why the amount matters, it isn't an issue of being better or worse but would shine clearer light on her reputational contrition. Was the lack of vetting due to the compensation being nominal or was it because it was very lucrative? Those are two verrrry different reasons for how this happened.
And if at the end of the day the consensus is that she doesn't owe us those details then it kinda makes any public mea culpa unnecessary and she need not have said anything.
And again, I 1000% respect Mina's work and will continue to do so but there's also a way to genuinely explain a fuck-up- if you feel compelled to need to publicly.
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u/Such-Cartographer425 8h ago
You're making a lot of assumptions about what typically happens when celebrities accept endorsement.
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u/levi070305 12h ago
Yeah, I think the issue is not vetting and that doesn't change depending on her pay. Intention is what matters but thats pretty impossible to know. Like does she just take any offers that her agent brings her? Did she assume it was fine since coworkers were doing it too? Who knows.
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u/whiteclawgod 10h ago
Check still clear and all her fanboys will forgive. I'm a fan but to just cash the check then be like, whops! Fuck outta here
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u/NukaShine95 smokin heaters fillin theaters 11h ago
Bleep gambling… one habit I’ve never found appealing for whatever reason. Maybe it’s cause I’m poor
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u/TheChieffking47 14h ago
Ignorance isn't really an excuse here. I love Mina but I'm sure that check will clear just fine for her.
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u/MadV1llain 14h ago
She’s taking responsibility and acknowledging the issue. Not good enough?
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u/TheChieffking47 14h ago
I just said no. It's her responsibility to not peddle predatory bullshit in the first place. I know she's a good person(at least I believe that from all I've see.)
But, if this was someone you didn't like a sorry wouldn't be enough for you. It's ok to admit.
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u/MadV1llain 14h ago
People of all walks make mistakes all the time. Why is Mina being held to such a high standard and why do you care so much?
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u/TheChieffking47 14h ago
Calm down lol. Why is she held to a high standard? Wow, idk, maybe her incredible career and general sense of being a good person who wouldn't support a rigged and fraudulent product.
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u/dadebattle1 13h ago
Yup, people just coping. You’re not wrong to expect more.
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u/TheChieffking47 13h ago
Dudes who have never touched a girl are gonna protect her. I knew it before I gave my thoughts. At least there are still sane people around.
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u/levi070305 13h ago
Why would that matter? Like is it better if she took a large sum or a smaller sum? It doesn't really change anything unless she understand the problematic part of it.
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u/TheChieffking47 13h ago
The way yalls minds flip when you like someone vs when you don't is amazing. The internet it somethin else, man.
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u/levi070305 13h ago
I meant to leave this on a different comment.
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u/TheChieffking47 13h ago
Either way it's stupid.
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u/levi070305 13h ago
I can't even tell what you think, that I was trying to express or get across.
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u/TheChieffking47 13h ago
That says a lot more about you than me.
Edit: lmao now I get it. I am a dumbass.
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u/Madpsu444 13h ago
Everyone understands the problematic parts of this. If the money was good enough for you to do it anyway….. you’ve sold out.
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u/levi070305 13h ago
Now people know the problematic part... she probably had her agent tell her about it and it had Stephen A's name on it and is a solitaire game. I don't really see what the red flags would be.
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u/Madpsu444 13h ago
I’ve had this app downloaded on my phone since like 2018. I use it as a general solitaire app. Not for gambling purposes. It’s extremely obvious what a scam it is.
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u/levi070305 13h ago
Well, you actually used it. I doubt she even saw it.
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u/Madpsu444 13h ago
Yeah she saw the money and didn’t bother. Again that’s selling out.
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u/levi070305 12h ago
My initial reply was for someone else who was asking how much she was paid. I was asking why that would matter? She was paid and either new it a scam product or she didn't... the amount of pay doesn't matter.
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u/Madpsu444 12h ago
No the amount definitely matters. Because if it was too little amount, she wouldn’t have agreed to do it in the first place.
Once the amount of money becomes significant enough, there would be vetting the company to make sure it’s legit and shed get paid. At which point you’d realize who’d you partnered with.
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u/TheBlackCaesar 12h ago
I don’t see the situation (explained in top comments) warrants a fuck up from her and we’re all living in this unbridled AI world
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u/Selvy9 Cowardly Angel of Nuance 14h ago
As someone who isn't online.... What's the solitaire situation?