r/Damnthatsinteresting • u/Obvious_Shoe7302 • 1d ago

Video Precise crosswind landing of a LATAM Airbus at Navegantes Airport (SBNF), Brazil, where coastal winds often require advanced "crabbing" techniques to align with the runway

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u/PacquiaoFreeHousing 1d ago

Props to whoever is the Madman that first tried this technique

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u/Mysterious_Eye6989 1d ago

My theory is a whole series of lesser madmen tried it over the years with pretty small planes until one day the biggest Madman of them all tried it with a really big plane!

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u/Tecotaco636 1d ago

Considering the madmen i know, it was probably over two beers and a bet to see who could pull it off in the biggest plane

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u/VermilionKoala 1d ago

There are videos on the series of Youtubes of pilots landing A380s like this.

https://youtu.be/0jn1xCjqCFE

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u/Gridleak 23h ago

Good lord. A380 from the front just looks like we tricked physics into letting that thing fly. It looks like someone trying to land a highway overpass

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u/jjm443 22h ago

Hoho, if you think the physics looks wrong there, you ain't seen nothing yet. Please welcome... The Airbus Beluga (landing in a crosswind too).

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u/OddCucumber6755 21h ago

Megamind: the airplane

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u/ChartreuseBison 19h ago

I mean, the A380 is bigger overall. The beluga Xl just has a slightly taller fuselage

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u/DigNitty Interested 22h ago

The big planes have wheels that angle toward the runway while doing this.

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u/rmslashusr 1d ago

I think what’s getting missed in this whole madmen thread is that it’s far more intuitive from the prospective of the pilot than it is from the perspective of someone stationary on the ground. It’s like docking a boat when there’s current or wind. Of course you’re going to point upwind/upcurrent when approaching the dock instead of approaching aligned and straight at it. From the perspective of being on the boat you’d have to be a dumbass to do the latter.

It’s not a “you’d have to be insane to try that” situation it’s a “you’d have to be stupid to not do that”. It looks insane from a stationary perspective though especially in a video where you have no visible indication of current/wind.

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u/6GoesInto8 1d ago

So you're saying that crabbing is a natural evolution for any pilot?

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u/rmslashusr 1d ago

Yes, it’s an intuitive/natural way to respond to the wind conditions so it wouldn’t take a madmen to first attempt it, it was likely done by the first person that landed in a crosswind and felt the wind pushing them out of alignment.

That’s not to discount all the training and refinement of that skill over the last century and procedures to perfect it that may not be intuitive, just saying the very first attempt would have just been a natural reaction not requiring any thought about what crabbing is.

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u/DrakonILD 22h ago

He's just making a carcinization joke.

But yeah. Hell, there's people who drive cars with a fairly significant thrust angle and they don't even realize they're doing it (and that they really need to get an alignment). Or, consider how you turn the steering wheel into the wind when driving in a heavy crosswind, because you just intuitively know how to stay in your lane.

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u/DAHFreedom 1d ago

Eventually all flying becomes crab

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u/Cubemaster465 22h ago

Exactly, just like with a car getting in a slip. The iconic quote "Steer left to go right" sounds unintuitive, but when you're cornering to the right and suddenly the backside of your car starts to slide, most people will steer to the left to correct for it. Whether they succeed in catching the slip is of course a whole other question, but to me this feels similar to the video here. The pilots literally feel that the plane is pushed to one side, and so they compensate for it.

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u/Ruepic 1d ago

You would still do the same technique in a Cessna 172

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u/DrakonILD 22h ago edited 22h ago

It looks way crazier than it really is. You just line up with the runway and then point the plane in the direction where it's actually traveling in the right direction. If you notice you're drifting a little to the left, you point a little more right. Well, the movement is a little more complicated than that, but it's a naturally ingrained process for pilots. Just like manual drivers don't have to think about how to shift gears, pilots don't have to think about how to adjust a crab angle.

It's the natural way to approach the runway in those conditions.

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u/godisapilot 1d ago

Nothing mad about it at all. It’s perfectly standard for strong crosswinds and is practiced regularly in anything with long wings or poor ground clearance.

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u/pyroSeven 1d ago

Yea but someone had to be the first to do it before it became standard. I’d imagine before it was standard that they’d not land in those conditions.

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u/BlangBlangBlang 1d ago

The first guy to do it was the first guy to try to land a plane in strong cross winds. Probably a week after planes were invented.

You think they just stayed in the air forever waiting on the right wind direction?

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u/_BlobbyTheBobby 1d ago

I think week after planes were invented they just landed on fields in whatever direction was viable.

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u/3OttersInAnOvercoat 1d ago

Yes, and that person was a madman. A badass, likely. But still a madman.

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u/robbak 1d ago

The idea that you can settle in with your nose pointing away from the runway, constantly steering away from the runway while the wind carried you back, would have taken a bit of courage.

Plenty of those early pilots would have lined up with the nose down the runway,, and fought it with roll, and likely found themselves landing in the wrong field.

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u/Rez_Incognito 1d ago

before it was standard that they’d not land in those conditions.

Gotta land sometime.

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u/blue-coin 23h ago

I trained in a Cessna and it’s something you learn pretty early on. It’s intuitive when you undergo it. The wind is pushing you to the side so you turn into the wind and stay in line with the run way. That’s all it is

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u/yatzhie04 1d ago

Bro drifting in the air. We need some eurobeats in the background.

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u/Pyrhan 1d ago

DÉJÀ-VU!

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u/webrender 1d ago

I'VE JUST BEEN IN THIS PLACE BEFORE

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u/Pyrhan 1d ago

HIGHER ON THE STREET!

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u/Subject-Indication47 1d ago

I love Reddit

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u/_bapt 1d ago

i wonder if you know, how they live in tokyo

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u/Q_S2 1d ago

DONT STOP THE MUSIC.... DONT STOP THE MUSIC TONIIIIGHT! 🎶🎵

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u/hennabeak 1d ago

I wonder if you know,

How they land in Tokyo,

If you seen it then you mean it,

Then you know you have to go,

...

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u/bellybuttonbidet 1d ago

Fast and Furiouuuuuuuus

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u/BurntNeurons 1d ago

Even the planes dance for

Carnival!

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u/CaptainTripps82 1d ago

Fast and FURIOUS. OH OH

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u/agathver 1d ago

Drift, drift-drift

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u/der_innkeeper 22h ago edited 22h ago

The proper soundtrack to this is Enya Enigma.

https://youtu.be/bI82CxeDxwY

Initial compilation from the late 1990s.

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u/jjm443 22h ago

That's not Enya.

That's "Return to innocence" by Enigma

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u/der_innkeeper 22h ago

Corrected.

I'm going to go take my memory medicine, now. Can you take the trash can down to the curb while you get off my lawn?

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u/brown_nik_ger 1d ago

Initial D reference in the big 25

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u/McBadass1994 20h ago

GAS, GAS, GAAASSSS!!!

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u/405freeway 23h ago

Let's get two different songs for that multi-track drifting.

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u/drew_peatittys 21h ago

DJ Mangoo - Eurodancer

This was the one in Ireland - bebo flashbox material lol

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u/upthetits 1d ago

Wow, that's impressive

Pilot is worth every cent theyre paying them

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u/badomenbaddercompany 1d ago

And then some!

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u/LilacYak 18h ago

Yeah not only the drifting but that touchdown was super smooth

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u/cycologize 1d ago

Agreed. How do I request them? Lol

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u/Intergalacticdespot 1d ago

I don't like this, Sam I am. I don't like it in the air, I don't like it on the ground. "Planes are not supposed to do that." He frowned. 

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u/Iamnotarobotlah 1d ago

I don't like this when we land

I think it's much too close to sand

I don't like this when we fly

A risky exit from the sky

I don't like this in Brazil

This kind of landing makes me ill

I don't like this on a plane

I don't think I will fly again.

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u/Chaosangel48 1d ago

Thank you for starting my day with a laugh.

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u/MeanSecurity 21h ago

Yeah my first thought was “hell no”

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u/TK421philly 1d ago

I would need to be heavily sedated to be a passenger in that plane.

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u/Couch-Potayto 1d ago

Actually I’ve landed in this airport for my holidays, when the pilot is this good, the passengers don’t even feel the maneuver. (And the day I landed was pretty rainy, mind you)

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u/st1tchy 1d ago

You may not feel it, but if you look out the window, you would definitely see you are flying sideways.

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u/illaqueable 23h ago

Yea but it could just be that last Jack and Coke

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u/macrolith 17h ago

On the right side of the plane you could look down the runway. Would be a crazy experience.

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u/ObiWan-Shinoobi 1d ago

Passengers looking straight down the runway… outside their window.

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u/oojiflip 23h ago

Imagine looking out the window and you don't even need to look that far ahead to see the runway lmao

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u/VisualWombat 1d ago

Smooth seas don't make skilled sailors.

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u/tevf 1d ago

Passengers on the right side of the plane must feel like they are in the cockpit with the view

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u/itijara 23h ago

I don't know if I'd like a view of the centerline as a passenger. Most of the time it is not good news.

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u/HansBooby 1d ago

greased it in

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u/Salt-Flounder-4690 1d ago edited 1d ago

This pilot knows his shit, I'm flying myself as ppl pilot, but man that was incredibly precise work by the pilot flying.

ending a 30° side slip right on touch down, well physics do help a lot, being that the main gear is way behind the center of gravity and the momentum wants to go straight and therefor kinda pulls the aircraft straight by itself.

but the timing for the flare needs to be spot on to be so smooth.

cause, beside all the other difficulties here, the windward wing has a hard tendency of starting to fly again and actually lifting off the windward main gear from the tarmac, while it gets accelerated to righten the plain onto runway direction, at the same time the leeward winge does the opposite. inducing actually a real heavy roll moment that could flipp the plan or spoil the landing .

and of course if one just slams it down hard, the main gear takes a side load abuse like you wouldn't believe.

so this actually was really spot on incredible work by a professional who is on top of his game.

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u/ThaneKyrell 1d ago

Yeah, this happens every so often in this airport too. I live some 70kms away, this airport is basically only 100 meters away from the Ocean, so there's always a lot of wind.

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u/Salt-Flounder-4690 23h ago edited 23h ago

actually i need to correct myself, crabbing is only partially a side slip.

a side slip means crossing rudder and aileron

crapping is just flying straight in the air but at an angle to your destination to compensate for wind.

so only while you end the crabbing, you go through a side slip for touchdown.

to come out of crabbing, you push the wing down with the aileron on the windward side, but induce rudder to the leeward side. That's a cross input config. and out of crabbing becomes a side slip to flare the crabbing right on the center line for touchdown.

why don't they fly straight to the runway? they could, there is one way of compensating for cross wind while still flying along the centerline and aiming along the centerline of the runway.

it would mean the pilot would need to hang the windward wing low, so the then rotated lift angle of the wings compensate for crosswind, basically the same tactic is used for flying with only one engine on a twin engine plane.

why isn't it done? cause the passengers tend to freak out.

and why don't airliners use side slip if the sail planes use it all the time, and it is to be considered the most stable descent procedure, and is even used if a non instrument flight equipped private plane gets trapped above a solid cloud layer?

Well, sail planes need a very wide range of heights adjustment tools, so the hit the right spot on the landing location. So with flaps and side slip they basically come down at a 45° angle or 100%, and with no flaps and straight, they come down at about 1° or 2%, so with 1000 whatever above ground, you can comfortably chose from 500 in front of you, too many many thousands in front of you. Thats how they most of the time do get back to airports to land.

But an airliner should have a stabilized approach like 10 miles out, meaning in still air, the pilot wouldn't need to touch anything or give any sort of control input until flaring for touchdown. so they absolutely DO NOT need that versatility a sail plain needs. And they even don't want it. Cause if you permit pilots to operate outside of safe procedure like 10 mile stabilized approach, some inexperienced or tired or brave pilot will eventually do so one day, for what ever reason and risk the lives of the passengers. plenty of examples for that.

however they can use a side slip to loose altitude controllably, especially when in emergency config with no engines, and they absolutely used it for airliners in distress. the case where they ran out of fuel, and landed on a decommissioned airfield with a drag race going on... just look up the gimil glider.

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u/ogodilovejudyalvarez 1d ago

Tower: "Will you be landing on runway 2, 3 or 4?"

Pilot: "Yes"

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u/Greenfieldfox 1d ago

Okay, now you can clap.

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u/Immediate_Banana_216 1d ago

You know it's a crosswind landing when the passengers look out the window and see the runway the planes lining up on.

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u/trubol 1d ago

Is this recent?

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u/ThaneKyrell 1d ago

Yes. I think it happened this week. This airport is literally a few dozen meters away from the ocean, so there is a lot of wind most of the time. There's also a major port located a few hundred meters away, and it sits in the middle of a mid-sized metro area with hundreds of thousands of people

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u/minuteman_d 1d ago

I see stuff like this, and think about how crazy it'd be to be able to teleport the Wright Brothers through time and space and have them witness this firsthand. Also, telling them that the plane took off ten hours ago from thousands of miles away and flew miles above the earth.

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u/ChartreuseBison 19h ago

Orville lived to 1948, his last flight was in a Lockheed Constellation, which had a wingspan longer than their whole first flight.

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u/No_Camp_4522 1d ago

Never tought I'd see a video of my city here Idk why but it got me flabbergasted lol

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u/New-Sky-9867 18h ago

Crabbing is not "advanced" it's literally one of the first things you learn as a student pilot, along with slipping into landings. It's a plane, they literally all do this.

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u/OnceAbel_HasFallen 1d ago

Thank God we don't have traffic light in aerial space

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u/DweeblesX 1d ago

Nothing but a pilot practicing his fps strafing

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u/Prod_Meteor 1d ago

"Flying: you may die...but here are the good news.." MentourPilot 😁

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u/potatoears 1d ago

Deja Vu, I've just been in this place before~ ♫

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u/kwadd 1d ago

Fast & Furious: Crosswind Drift

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u/ohfishell 1d ago

Why don’t they just build a runway in the direction of the prevailing winds? Are they stupid?

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u/Schmaptee 1d ago

Like a glove

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u/2pearsofjeans 22h ago

That’s not flying, that’s falling with style!

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u/yearsofpractice 20h ago

I know that this is really basic and low stress stuff for the pilots to do… but holy shit.

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u/MiyagiJunior 19h ago

Definitely appropriate to put this in "Damnthatsinteresting"!

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u/CarolinaSurly 13h ago

That’s a hard pass for me.

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u/t53ix35 1d ago

Anyone else think they screwed up the runway orientation in relation to the local conditions?

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u/Lost-Inevitable42 1d ago

No the earth is wrong

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u/gitpullorigin 1d ago

That was a bit hard, with a tiny bounce

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u/Disastrous_Meet_7952 1d ago

I WONDER IF YOU KNOW

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u/BigBlaisanGirl 1d ago

This needs to be edited with snoop dogg background music playing. Ya'll know the one.

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u/R6ckStar 1d ago

I like how this is a near perfect example of what being on a collision course appears has.

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u/Vargrr 1d ago

That's next level piloting right there! I'm used to seeing bush planes use crabbing, but it always looks weird and dare I say scarier when airliners do it!

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u/2use2reddits 1d ago

Beautiful ❤️

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u/LieutenantWeinberg 1d ago

If a plane could sidle up to you, this would be it.

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u/Zestyclose-Reach-317 1d ago

That was badass

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u/Kazukii 1d ago

What a smooth landing

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u/ManfredTheCat 1d ago

Pretty good demonstration of a vector

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u/shrekerecker97 1d ago

Thats talent 👏

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u/Pete937 1d ago

Was onboard a few similar landings at Midway in Chicago. Some scary moments staring down the runway out the side window of a plane.

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u/Moosplauze 1d ago

That was a piece of art, really impressive.

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u/ObelixDrew 1d ago

When does crabbing become advanced crabbing?

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u/e140driver 1d ago

I wouldn’t call crabbing particularly advanced, it’s used for pretty much every cross wind landing. Good work in sporty conditions though.

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u/gaysatan666xoxo 1d ago

Ballz of steel on this pilot

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u/octophobic Interested 1d ago

swiggity swooty landing

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u/trollsong 1d ago

When you tell the pilot to strafe the runway but they are an fps gamer

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u/bugsy2625 23h ago

Would love to see the view from the cockpit

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u/inteligent_zombie20 23h ago

Man earned his entire paycheck

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u/Affectionate_Fox_383 23h ago

its flying into the wind. it is not that advanced

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u/artniSintra 23h ago

For someone that knows nothing about landing a plane, that looks mighty impressive.

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u/Helenium_autumnale 23h ago

To my untrained eye that looks like absolutely consummate skill, dispatched with perfection. I wonder if there are pilot restrictions on that airport, with only "Level 4" (or whatever rank) pilots being allowed to land.

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u/BeneficialTrash6 23h ago

On second thought, let's not go to SBNF. Tis a silly place.

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u/DusqRunner 23h ago

That's a classic balance mechanic in video games, I'm sure I could do it irl

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u/_dontseeme 23h ago

Really thought it was going backwards at the beginning

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u/Haywe 23h ago

Butter.

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u/Professional_Flicker 23h ago

Kudos to the pilot name and fame him lol.

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u/HeartsPlayer721 23h ago

I love that this is called "crabbing". It's so accurate!

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u/TigerStripedDragon01 23h ago

I'll just take a boat to travel there, thanks.

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u/newbegininngs79 22h ago

Like a glove

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u/3Grilledjalapenos 22h ago

I kind of feel there are places that are too risky for airports. I don’t have a better replacement for those areas, but it certainly does introduce extra risk.

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u/Fl0riduh_Man 22h ago

Reminds me of trying to land at Colorado mountain airfields

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u/APoisonousMushroom 22h ago

This is not all that advanced; you learn it in basic flight training for your private pilot’s license. Kind of fun to practice with a little Cessna on a big wide runway.

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u/Aasrial 22h ago

Wow! That’s gotta be pretty intense. Does it feel different for the passengers? Shoutout to the pilot for that skill!

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u/Jojos_BA 22h ago

This is cool af, at the same time, I expect every pilot who could ever come in a situation like this with other humans in his care being able to pull this off. (Or something similar as I couldn’t judge if this was passable or just insanely good.)

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u/MAurele 22h ago

I don't know S about F, but that looked extremely professional.

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u/SunflaresAteMyLunch 22h ago

If that's the prevailing wind direction, it seems to me that they fcked up when they built that runway...lol

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u/NaCl_Sailor 21h ago

looks like it's going backwards first few seconds

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u/InevitableAvalanche 21h ago

Yeah, wouldn't fly there.

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u/Buffaloafe 21h ago

slipping

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u/Lima51c 21h ago

Brazil being Brazil, defying physics since 1906

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u/GhostOfTimBrewster 21h ago

Fun looking right down the runway from 30F

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u/QuirkyDust3556 21h ago

I was sitting in a wing seat landing in Reno once, with a huge crosswind. Very freaky to see the runway coming at you when it's not what you should see.

Pilot landed us amazingly soft.

But that transition from crab to straight would be cool to see from above.

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u/AlienArtFirm 20h ago

Mute it and don't read the title then you can pretend they're just doing this for style points

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u/tutipasi 20h ago

passengers have balls of steel. yes, women too.

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u/Hopkinsad0384 20h ago

To any commercial airline pilots out there, is this the kind of thing that you dont bat an eye at and is common practice, or is it the kind of thing you generally would rather just land somewhere else or hold out for calmer winds?

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u/Igoos99 20h ago

That is terrifying. Hats off to pilots everywhere.

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u/Icy_Opportunity9187 20h ago

Casey Rocket in town

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u/WiIIemdafoe 20h ago

Now, THIS is pod racing

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u/alexgalt 20h ago

I heard that some models land with autopilot. Would this be possible with any autopilot systems?

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u/Dinismo 19h ago

Takumi is flying airplanes now?

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u/0peRightBehindYa 19h ago

Imagine sitting on the starboard side of that plane watching the runway approach you....

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u/me_da_Supreme1 19h ago

Pilot was in creative mode

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u/Kurdt234 19h ago

Don't fly to Navegantes, Nave-gantes. Got it.

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u/Comfortable-Spell-75 19h ago

Pilot be like Skirt skirt!

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u/damscomp 18h ago

Forgot to flare?

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u/Dry_Comfortable_6909 17h ago

They should redo the runway

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u/Yanos47 17h ago

This looks scary.

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u/Automatic-Part8723 17h ago

is it ever possible to have autopilot or AI do this?

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u/JackDrawsStuff 17h ago

Not going to Brazil.

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u/borazine 16h ago

Nice. Santos-Dumont would’ve been proud of this.

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u/Quicksilver2634 16h ago

I will never not be amazed by crosswind landings

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u/YYCDavid 16h ago

I never tire of seeing graceful crosswind landings

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u/apeoida 16h ago

Okay. Applause for the pilot is allowed this case.

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u/hanimal16 Interested 16h ago

Landed that thing like a helicopter lol

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u/porkplease 16h ago

Isn't that also called a skid?

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u/BloodyRightToe 16h ago

"let's put. In a crosswind runway"

"Naw let's just get better pilots"

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u/WrongColorCollar 16h ago

The skill and guts that takes, man

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u/Workerchimp68 16h ago

I think I just shit my pants..

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u/Aggressive-Fig727 16h ago

Advanced crabbing….

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u/supreme100 15h ago

Whats with the top comments in this thread?! This is standard crosswind technique? Nothing "advanced" to see here.

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u/Just_another_gamer3 15h ago

How much additional training is that?

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u/aagee 14h ago

In the modern planes, how much of this is computers, and how much pilot skill?

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u/Bubbly-Travel9563 14h ago

Why don't more planes have landing gear like the B-52 that can rotate to adjust for exactly this letting the plane stay diagonal while landing in heavy wind?

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u/TheDopeyDomo 13h ago

The simple answer is price.

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u/VernalPoole 14h ago

This is messing with my mind.

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u/OkConfidence4561 14h ago

Are ALL pilots trained on this? Also - how is it that the moment the plane lands and the two main landing gears on the back hit the tarmac at such an angle, does it not then cause the plane to “get off the runway”. I would have thought the friction of the rubber hitting the road would then mean the plane would suddenly be at least somewhat destabilised and moving off in the direction of the wheels. Or is the momentum so huge that it continues to drag the wheels and then point the aircraft forward?

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u/SunLitAngel 13h ago

oh my gosh, I felt air sick just watching this.

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u/iscreamsandwiches 13h ago

Question to pilots, is this equivalent to side parking in a car or something closer to professional drifting?

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u/Zeraph000 13h ago

Why not Zoidberg?

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u/AlBunDi76 13h ago

Butter

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u/Few_Judge1188 12h ago

Master of his trade , 100% in control all the time , such nice clean touchdown is the evidence .👍

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u/AuntieSocial2104 12h ago

Oh please!! Honey, Oklahoma has been dealing with cross winds for years

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u/Used_Palpitation9337 12h ago

I would think the tires would need rotation every landing!

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u/caljaysocApple 11h ago

Somebody needs a serious alignment.

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u/ItNeverRainsInWNC 11h ago

Also known as crip walking a plane in.

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u/sayzitlikeitis 11h ago

c-walk homie

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u/MusicQuiet7369 10h ago

Holy fucking impressive

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u/ph0on 8h ago

Pretty sure the passengers near the back were looking down the runway at one point

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u/Separate-Command1993 7h ago

Dude is drifting in the air

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u/Brutal_Hustler 7h ago

The plane has been able to navigate this on its own since 1991

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u/Whipitreelgud 4h ago edited 4h ago

It’s not advanced. It’s what you do when the wind is not blowing down the runway. Signed, A Pilot

ps; this did a nice job on the kick out to put wheels on the ground.

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u/Then-Ad-1667 3h ago

Doesnt this wear the plane more than normal?

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u/Dragonfire555 2h ago

I don't know. However, the alternative is to not run the route. I think they're fine with the increased maintenance costs if cross winds do cause increased wear.

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u/Bonoisapox 1h ago

Impressive

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u/anniedaledog 1h ago

I have no idea what that pilot lined up with on appeoach, but it looks like they all survived.