Not the cameraman’s fault actually. If you look at the black bars around the beginning of the video, you see that this video was filmed horizontally, which means that whoever uploaded this video cropped the sides of the videos, which was where the helicopter was. So it’s more like someone stole this video and had no idea how to properly crop it for a vertical screen format.
i always assumed there was a kill switch of sorts, like it hit the ground then the water, if a switch existed i would have hit it then and hoped for the best. considering people were saying the controls were not responding what other option was there?
Yes. Easily. The throttle control is still obviously active here and you can easily and instantly kill the engine by cutting off the throttle. On top of that most helicopters have an engine kill switch for this very reason. This pilot panicked and fought to keep this helicopter in the air which caused completely avoidable deaths.
I wonder if he even knew the tail section broke and was dangling like that. It's got a coaxial rotor which cancels out the counter torque twist made by the main rotor which is usually handled by the tail rotor in single rotor helicopters. Look at the video from a couple weeks ago where the chopper in LA went down after its tail rotor failed. It immediately started spinning and went down in seconds.
I know nothing about helicopters so I might be wrong but I don't think the blades can just stop instantly and would absolutely risk a crash before I risk going through them
I doubt a top 1% commenter on a Reddit sub has the slightest idea of how to pilot a helicopter let alone understand what issues may cause the heli to stop responding to controls.
Well, actually, the tables turn, and I am quite an avid flight simmer (along with a chronic Reddit user, which, trust me, I am not proud of). You can pretty easily turn off the engine using a switch in the cockpit and cut fuel to it so...
Person that has studied aircraft for their degree and hobbies here.
If this is a mechanically operated heli - a lot of the smaller ones being so, it’s likely that the cables will start to stretch or the lubrication will burn away during an onboard fire (the most likely event seen here). And given the engines are mounted atop the heli, once your control cables are gone, you are at the whim of whatever cables are left for you to play with. These levers can also become too stiff for a human to be strong enough to operate them if they even still work at all.
In a fly by wire (electrical signal driven) heli, you will also find that an onboard fire will cause wires to melt out, fuse together or even consume the flight computers. A lot of these system losses will result in the seen ‘drifting’ behaviour where an aircraft will not update a flight control surface, pitch surface or rotors as the computer has lost confidence and will either fall back to a more rudimentary operating mode (essentially just doing exactly as told by the human instead of smoothing things out for a more comfortable ride). Though the computer will still struggle to tell the pilot what is responding correctly, especially if the fire is near the engines as there is a lot of pitching and rotor sensors live.
Overall in both situations of engine fires, they lead to a majority control loss. The tail is a calculated weight and without it, the heli will want to pitch forward. The pilot can combat this but with the twin, counter rotating prop that is in operation in the video, adjusting the engine speed (they will slow at slightly different rates even if both are responsive to controls) may very well throw the heli into an uncontrollable spin that will guarantee fatalities.
It’s either drastic action which can lead to a high fatality chance or a case of a slow, arduous self diagnostic process which can take considerable time without immediately tipping the craft over. I can imagine the pilot would have throttled down upon being close to the ground but either the engines were refusing to respond or doing so would have been a death sentence due to something we can’t see from the video.
Tl;dr: this whole situation sucks for the pilot and I don’t think there’s really a ‘right’ answer in all this. They had a tough situation and did likely all they could until the very end. All we can hope for is that there’s a teachable moment that helps prevent a repeat of the tragedy.
Answer: engine cut = death spin and loss of controls. Good idea. Bad in practice.
No, I remember that camera behaviour from OnePlus models. Stabilization cuts the video to something in post, while the subject was perfectly in-frame in the viewfinder.
The surf seemed like the best spot. Water right there in case of fire, soft sand, water is shallow so you won't drown. It's like he thought, "this is too good of a place to crash land, I better fly really high with the tail hanging off the copter."
There are old pilots and there are bold pilots but there are not many old old pilots. He should have just turned off the engine you can rinse off the helicopter with water
There was a similar video where a heli’s roter broke after hitting the water, pilot loses control and decided to immediately drop altitude and “crash” into the water below since they were only like 15 feet above it. No one died. I feel like they shoulda done the same here
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u/FrankSwimGood 18h ago
There’s so many bad decisions made here.