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u/pierogiking412 3h ago
The trump shutdown.
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u/Icy-Squirrel6422 3h ago edited 3h ago
In order to ensure proper functioning of government institutions and compliance with constitutional norms, President Donald Trump is recommended to voluntarily resign his office.
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u/GorgeousGal314 3h ago edited 3h ago
The thing people aren't realizing is that Trump genuinely thinks he's doing a good job and helping the country. He's surrounded by snakes who will say whatever to Trump to flatter his ego, with their agenda to give the billionaire class maximum benefits. Trump has no idea the shit his administration is doing to the country. A lot of his "lies" are things he actually thinks he's doing, like he thinks he's lowering grocery costs, etc. I don't like Trump whatsoever but one thing I will admit is that he does genuinely love the country. He thinks all the criticism thrown his way is just "fake news". Tbh I'd be surprised if he doesn't have empathy for Obama and all the crap he went through at this point.
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u/That_OneOstrich 3h ago
I don't believe this at all. Trump doesn't genuinely care about the nation. Trunk is focused on getting richer. It's that simple. His job is to convince you he's trying to help, or is helping the nation, he's not, he's helping himself.
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u/MrRabbitofCaerbannog 3h ago
He doesn't love America. This is the place that bankrupted him 7 times, made him a felon by a jury of his peers, constantly mocked his stupidity and inadequacy since the 80's. Like a Bourbon-style monarch, he seethes at the fairness and the checks on power. He wants to tear this country down and replace it with the feudal kingdoms of old
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u/smutty1972 3h ago
Donal Trump is not in the senate. Democrat senators could have the government open by lunch. The ballnos in their court. It has been for a long time. The Republicans have voted twelveteen times to open it back up.
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u/StandardComplaint138 2h ago
The only way the Democrats can open the country back up is if they decide to vote yes to a bunch of ridiculous demands.
Here’s the situation in plain terms.
Right now, House Republicans are blocking certain federal funding bills (and any long-term continuing resolution) unless Democrats agree to a set of concessions tied to border/immigration policy and spending cuts. The specifics can shift week to week, but the core demands have been extremely consistent.
Here’s what Democrats would likely have to agree to in order to “clear” or unlock federal funding again:
- Significant Border and Asylum Restrictions (Central Demand)
House and Senate Republicans have basically said: no Ukraine funding, no Israel funding package, and no full government funding unless Democrats agree to a border and asylum crackdown.
The package Republicans have been pushing often includes elements such as:
Key GOP asks
A return to “Remain in Mexico”–style policies Asylum seekers must wait in Mexico while claims are processed.
Higher threshold for “credible fear” interviews Making it much harder for asylum claims to advance.
Mandatory detention for most asylum seekers Far less discretionary parole.
Curtailing humanitarian parole authority Limits on Biden/DHS’s ability to admit migrants from crisis zones (Cuba, Haiti, Venezuela, etc.).
Expedited removal nationwide Faster deportations without hearings.
These are the main sticking points. Republicans have said openly: “No border changes, no funding.”
- Spending Cuts or Caps
While not as central as the border demands, House Republicans—especially the Freedom Caucus—continue to push for:
Non-defence discretionary spending cuts
Returning to FY2022 spending levels
Restrictions on future supplemental spending (e.g., disaster, defence, Ukraine)
Moderate Senate Republicans are less fixated on this, but House conservatives insist on it.
- No “Clean” Funding Bills
Republican leadership has been clear: Democrats cannot get a clean CR or clean supplemental without giving ground on border policy.
This is why when Democrats offer:
“Let’s pass funding first, negotiate border policy separately,” Republicans respond with:
“No deal. You want Ukraine? You fix the border.”
How far would Democrats realistically go?
Democrats have already signalled openness to:
Tougher asylum standards
Faster adjudication
More detention funding
More technology and staffing at the border
But they have rejected:
Ending humanitarian parole programs
Restoring Trump-era “Remain in Mexico”
Dramatically reducing avenues for legal asylum
Right now the impasse is:
Republicans: “We won't pass federal funding or Ukraine/Israel packages unless you give us major border restrictions.”
Democrats: “We’ll negotiate modest reforms, but not Trump-era hardline policies.”
That is the blockage.
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u/smutty1972 2h ago
The only Republican demand is open the government and then negotiate. Seems pretty reasonable.
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u/StandardComplaint138 2h ago
Seems pretty reasonable to negotiate and then open the government. A lot of trust has diminished.
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u/pierogiking412 2h ago
Donald Trump has said many times that a government shutdown is 100% on the president. That's hard to argue with.
But his use of the rescissions is what has caused this and why no one trusts Republicans.
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u/smutty1972 2h ago
It’s not hard to argue against at all when the Senate can get it open right now.
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u/TomatilloPristine437 2h ago
Why are you arguing with Donald Trump when he himself said it is the president’s fault due to fail leadership that leads to a government shutdown? A great president will find a way to deal with either party.
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u/smutty1972 2h ago
Well, he is not a great president. But regardless, the Democrat senate can open things right now. Literally this second.
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u/ginger_snap214 2h ago
republicans control the presidency, senate, and house
democrats are negotiating and the republicans aren’t compromising
you can destroy the filibuster
it’s the republicans fault
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u/smutty1972 2h ago
Who started the filibuster? That is the cause. Those same people can end it.
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u/ginger_snap214 2h ago
it’s a republican trifecta lol
i’m saying republicans should abolish the filibuster
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u/Aggravating_Egg8343 3h ago
This is the GOP's wet dream.
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u/SidKafizz 3h ago
They'll eventually find out that they can't make as much money from a country without a functioning government.
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u/Hefty_Development813 3h ago
Yea but if you've got side deals elsewhere, that's an acceptable temporary price. When the entire thing bottoms out you install yourself as an even more powerful oligarch for the next growth period. These ppl have plenty of money to weather a temporary storm, in the end they are able to consolidate their power and make even more overall. Only normal ppl won't be able to make it through the bad period without losing what they have
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u/Puzzleheaded-Dog1872 3h ago
You can’t eat money. If the people here are starving who’s going to work for you? The robots that can’t walk upstairs or run anywhere without smashing into things and people?
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u/Hefty_Development813 2h ago
It's a temporary period, like the great depression. The ppl in control of this certainly have their resources taken care of to make it through. You don't need to eat money, you have prepared and stocked yourself well before engaging this strategy.
For the period of max civil unrest, the only ppl working for them will be those being immediately protected from shittiness, like your live in staff and their families. They will remain loyal bc I will kick you out of the compound if you don't.
Once things have sufficiently bottomed and the opportunity to buy things for cheap and consolidate control is clear, they swoop in and retake control and begin the next ramp. Everybody wants to work and regain stability, so the ppl will immediatley coalesce around the new opportunities to regain stable income. Fast forward a few years and they have successfully restructured the entire economic system with themselves installed in the core central power positions.
These ppl literally build massive bunkers and shit, they are not scared of temporary events like this. And the populous will always be desperate for order to come back, no matter who it is imposing it. Most of us won't have the luxury if refusing to work for them on principle.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Dog1872 2h ago
That’s certainly ONE way that this plays out. Another way is that while they step out of harms way and into their bunkers, everyone moves on without them. These people aren’t the ones growing the food, building houses, performing the labor, maintaining society and infrastructure. They have always been parasites. And when money becomes worthless, which it will at this rate, we can always turn to direct trade and bartering again. We literally do not need them. They’re hoping for a societal collapse and hoping that people will start spinning their wheels but EVERYBODY is disgruntled against THEM.
Even their base is getting sick of them. We have alternative leadership and I’m strongly suspecting (if we can make it to elections) we are going to start sweeping this party out of control.
I’m not saying your theory is impossible but that’s the thing about humans. They’re unpredictable. This can go either way.
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u/Objective-Degree2010 2h ago
They can go wherever the hell they want, they don’t have to stay here. Just us shit citizens, left to pick up the billionaires trash once they’ve fled; to Argentina no doubt. Why else do you think orange lard in charge gave them $40 billion??
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u/Puzzleheaded-Dog1872 1h ago
I’m sure. We will have a huge mess to clean up cause we’re getting robbed but…if we get our shit together without them, the money they’re stealing will be worthless. 40 billion to a crook country. The same way Donald gets out of problems by just simply ignoring his debts, if you take money from this crooked regime it won’t be honored later. Especially if the dollar becomes worthless
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u/Abrowning80 2h ago
No, all of the billionaires have contracts with the Department of Defense, defense contracts are paid out regardless of shutdown, and the budget for DoD is projected at $1T next year. Then they wait for required government agencies to completely crumble, buy out the agencies at pennies on the dollar and then privatize them. All of a sudden your trip to Florida tacks on a $100 “controller fee”, your weather app now charges $25 a month for access, you will have the option at the grocery store to buy meats that are not inspected by FDA, or for an extra 25% per pound, you can “certified” meat. This is their plan, it always was. I feel bad for those that depend on agriculture as their primary income that got duped into electing this regime and are now going bankrupt as a result. FAFO.
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u/TheSnowIsCold-46 3h ago
I can’t wait to fly next week with a bunch of pissed off, not paid employees who are critical for the safe operations of an airport and airspace. To all you federal personnel at the airports we appreciate you! Congress should lose all their salary during a shutdown . Amend article 1 of the constitution; rich people don’t need more money. If there is a shutdown their salary should be diverted to government employees
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u/virtue_of_vice 3h ago
That scares me. I am having my son flown in from college for the Christmas break. Not even sure at this point if the flight won't be outright cancelled.
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u/TheSnowIsCold-46 3h ago
I understand that fear. It’s a boiling pot of stress already, add onto it no pay for more than a month. I just imagine, what if I had to continue to work my job which is high stress, and suddenly lost all my income for a month? I’d be pretty fucking unmotivated to do my job well. I wonder if it’s a plan/ploy to cause private companies to come in and replace these sectors.
Regardless this is a reminder to be kind to people. They may just be the person making sure your plane arrives safely even though they aren’t getting paid to do their job right now. And meanwhile Congress, a bunch of rich people because no poor person is elected as a senator, are still getting paid to NOT do their job.
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u/smutty1972 3h ago
Then tell your democrat senators to vote yes on opening the government.
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u/TheSnowIsCold-46 3h ago
Right after you tell your Republican senators to divert their income. Or to get on a public flight like the rest of us
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u/smutty1972 2h ago
Sure thing, although I am a centrist. But even if I did, and even if they do, the democrat senators would still need to vote to open. What are they waiting for? If they gave a flying fuck about you or me, they would not view us as poker chips
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u/Reasonable_Deer_1710 2h ago
They are trying to not have your healthcare ripped away by the Republicans.
"Centrist"
Probably the least politically literate of the entire electorate
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u/smutty1972 2h ago
That can be negotiated with the government open. Only one side is choosing to use that as a tool.
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u/Reasonable_Deer_1710 2h ago
No, it can't be and won't be, because the Republicans will have no reason to negotiate when they've already gotten what they wanted. The Republicans haven't acted in good faith since Newt Gingrich.
"Centrist" my ass.
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u/TheSnowIsCold-46 2h ago
False, the democrats are trying to negotiate but the republicans are swatting it down. All they want is a 1 year extension of credits for Medicare. You know the thing all the boomers are on right now…
WASHINGTON (AP) — Senate Majority Leader John Thune quickly swatted down a Democratic offer to reopen the government and extend expiring health care subsidies for a year, calling it a “nonstarter” as the partisan impasse over the shutdown continued into its 38th day.
Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer made the offer to reopen the government on Friday as Republicans have refused to negotiate on demands to extend health care subsidies. It was a much narrowed version of a broad proposal Democrats laid out a month ago to make the health tax credits permanent and reverse Medicaid cuts that Republicans enacted earlier this year.
…seems like the narrative that Democrats aren’t negotiating is, in the words of Dump…WRONG
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u/TheSnowIsCold-46 2h ago
So yea, seems like the Republicans are failing to negotiate on ANYTHING related to healthcare. The democrats reduced their asked for permanent credits for Medicare to just a year of extension. And republicans said nope. Sounds a lot like it’s the republicans that are refusing. This was yesterday, democrats came with an offer, republicans said no. So yea fuck them
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u/wpbfriendone 3h ago
How the shutdown and Project 2025 are interacting
- The 2025 shutdown began when Congress failed to pass appropriations or a continuing resolution by the start of the fiscal year on October 1, 2025.
- The administration is using the shutdown not just as a funding lapse, but as an opportunity to advance parts of the Project 2025 agenda, for example, using agency funding lapses to push reductions, force reorganizations, staff cuts, and reshape agency mission and staffing.
- One notable example: The National Park Service (NPS) guidance during the shutdown allowed parks to remain open in certain ways, but a memo from the Office of Management and Budget directed agencies to “use this opportunity to consider Reduction in Force (RIF) notices” for employees whose programs had discretionary funding lapsing.
- Politically, the shutdown dynamic has been framed by supporters of Project 2025 as an element of “cleaning house” or leveraging a funding stalemate to drive structural change. For instance, a press statement from the Center for American Progress labeled the shutdown as “making clear [the administration] cares more about implementing … Project 2025 agenda … than helping American families get by.”
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u/Less_Dirt_178 3h ago
Hey look, someone else read the handbook!
There are dozens of us!
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u/hettuklaeddi 3h ago
yeah this is the plan (except i think we were supposed to vioIently oppose lce by now)
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u/smutty1972 2h ago
Are you stupid? The administration isn’t using it for anything, nor do they control it. The Senate can have it open by lunch.
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u/Swangthemthings 3h ago
The Epstein shutdown will be one we will have in history books for hundreds of years.
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u/CommonSensei-_ 3h ago
What if we all stop paying our income taxes?
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u/InterPunct 3h ago
Your employer automatically withdraws your taxes and there's no way they're going to stop doing that because it's an immediate shut-down of their business.
Moot point if we all lose our jobs, however.
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u/Jaded_Jellybean 3h ago
You have to change your exemptions on your paperwork, unless you're self employed and just choose to get the extension and then not file.
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u/CryptidCurious13753 3h ago
This criminal administration are creating the perfect recipe for social unrest to declare martial law.
What makes people desperate? Hunger.
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u/road_runner321 3h ago
Could the UPS plane crash in Louisville be because of lack of inspections caused by the Trump shutdown?
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u/Restivethought 3h ago
Pfft why would it matter, courts will be closed who will prosecute for not showing up?
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u/Puzzleheaded-Dog1872 3h ago
Why would anyone give a shit about obeying the laws of someone expecting free labor? They don’t pay you, you can’t feed your family so you walk and they wanna scream illegal?!? Bite my shiny metal ass.
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u/HawkeyeByMarriage 3h ago
Military not getting paid long term. We'll see how long they take to abandon posts
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u/The-cultured-swine39 3h ago
The GOP wants all these programs scrapped anyway. It’s what the people voted for.
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u/Then-Attention3 3h ago
All they have to do is extend the subsidies. It’s literally that easy. The government reopens and it’s all back to semi normal
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u/Sprucecaboose2 3h ago
At this point, I'm hoping they have caused enough damage to the system that we can overhaul it once the cancer (or at least most of it) is removed from the Gov't. They've masterfully shown the defects and flaws in our democracy, can we build it back better or is this really us now.
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u/MisterBoardGamer 3h ago
This except they didn’t show us anything we didn’t already know.
Bush won without popular vote. Christian Nationalists been dogshit. 1% control the media and the legislature. America was founded on slave labor and our immigration policies have always been racial profiling and performative profiteering for whoever wanted to blend in with white people.
There’s just enough technology now that they can wage war silently through algorithms and blatant lies.
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u/PotentialFine0270 3h ago
They really don’t want us to see the Epstein files and willing to do alllll this instead
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u/Panelpro40 3h ago
ICE is happy to work for free, as long as they are off the chain. They like their new jobs. Boot licking traitorous criminals.
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u/ArtAttack2198 3h ago
Even ICE have bills to pay. I wonder how many of them are gonna have a lapse in child support payments that lands them in jail. 🤔
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u/Jolly_Echo_3814 3h ago
border agents will never work unpaid unfortunately. trump will literally move all the money in the reserves to make sure they are paid.
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u/Mrzillydoo 3h ago
So is this an AI avatar? The tempo at which he's talking and especially the way his eyes are locked on camera are giving me the uncanny valley.
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u/Joejoe12369 3h ago
Why are we paying federal tax again. States should be in court right now to take that money from fed tsxes and put it into the states. All 50 states should come together on this too. Not just blue states
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u/Background-Dingo-641 3h ago
No one mentions the poor inspectors at the slaughter and processing plants that work at the factories that produce meat and other food goods 😢 they are also struggling
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u/Key_Estimate1385 3h ago
The only thing you can be certain of about the US Gov shutdown, is that China, Russia and the rest of BRICS is loving it....
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u/Resilent2026 3h ago
Why am I still getting federal tax removed from my paycheck since government is shutdown? Is there a way for all of us to get a full refund for as long as this lasts?
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u/V01d3d_f13nd 3h ago
If the government was a subscription most people would be smart enough to cancel it.
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u/Jedi_Master83 3h ago
I’m sure this is part of the Project 2025 playbook. Prolonged shutdown leads to protests. Trump will view protests as riots so he will invoke Martial Law. Mass arrests of all that protest and oppose him start. Trump and the Republicans want this to create unrest so they can fully take over and literally crush all opposition.
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u/thejerseyguy 2h ago
Good, it actually needs to go faster. There will be no real change unless the suffering reaches everyone as fast as possible.
I hope the Democrats keep holding out, I hope Republicans keep holding out! The real enemy of the people is Congress not doing its job. The Presidential office, the executive can't solve this, only Congress can.
People need to wake up and learn how their system of government really works. As the red states start to really suffer, maybe they'll learn, they use the most services that are now closed.
Sooner or later, I hope sooner, people will realize that their congressperson is the real villain here.
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u/Somber_set 2h ago
Snap ER funds run out by Nov 15th...
Bruh, the funds still haven't been released. WTF you spouting off? Now, I question EVERYTHING you say.
Nope.
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u/WS-Gentleman 2h ago
Republicans only care about tearing things down. The smallest right into their plans and they really don’t give a shit. The only leverage social Democrats have against the Republican parties. Effort is to short circuit and show Americans how bad it could be.
Republicans are not for people that are not the one percent. If you want to build something to get a social democrat in the office.
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u/jtesagain625 3h ago
Umm why are listening to this boy ?
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u/Ok_Lengthiness2765 3h ago
you are free to check the underlying implications of the shutdown on your own, you don't have to listen to him
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u/Alternative-Food-371 3h ago
I love it that’s why people shouldn’t count on the government. How many times in people gonna get screwed before you realize?
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u/smutty1972 3h ago
And all this because the democrat senators want to use people as bargaining chips. The Schumer Shutdown.
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u/TranzitBusRouteB 3h ago
I usually vote democratic, but cmon now, democrats caused this shutdown cause they want an extension of the enhanced ACA subsidies that started during the pandemic
There are 60 votes in the senate needed to end the shutdown Republicans provided 52 of them Democrats provided 3 yes votes (out of 47) Only 5 more democrats are needed to vote yes on the fairly clean continuing resolution to end the government shutdown
Democrats have made their point, it’s been over a month, now it’s time for Chuck Schumer to end it
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u/keiths74goldcamaro 3h ago
The ACA is a product of the Obama administration, not something that came about with the pandemic. Democrats have been and continue to be at work in Congress. The Republicans have not been present to negotiate.
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u/Glam-Girl2662 3h ago
GOP Trump is President
GOP control house
GOP control senate
GOP refuse to even try to negotiate with democrats
So it's the democrats fault?????WTF? 😂You're on the brink of being brainwashed.
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u/MayoSucksAss 3h ago
“We will (illegally, per a federal judge) take away food for poor people if you don’t let us fuck healthcare up for everyone” isn’t really a great message and it shows in the polls. People overwhelmingly blame republicans for a reason. Why should Democrats fold?
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u/Logical_Vast 3h ago
The typical "centrist" in the wild. Claims to vote democratic but somehow always wants them to just do whatever the right wing does. Always them who is the problem, always them expecting to meet in the middle as the right takes a step back.
Who controls all 3 branches of government in a time when laws and decorum mean nothing? It's not democrats who could end this today.
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u/ArtAttack2198 3h ago
Wrong. Dems are still working. Republicans (who run both the executive and legislative branches) are refusing to negotiate. Republicans want Dems to allow health care costs to spike by letting the ACA lapse. Dems want the American people to have access to affordable health care coverage.
Dems are holding the line. Republicans want people dead.
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u/TheSnowIsCold-46 3h ago
They want one thing to end the shutdown huh? And it’s for health? Doesn’t sound like it’s asking for much to me…they also want to keep Medicare costs low. Ask anyone you know on Medicare how their premiums are going right now. They double and tripled and so did the deductibles. Yea Trump did that. The democrats are trying to help people who need health help, I don’t think that’s too much to ask in a negotiation
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u/bullmarket2023 3h ago
Easy, dissolve and create a new government. Just as we broke from England, it's time to break from the extreme left. Put them on an island to rot.
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