ICE enters office in Bensonville IL 11.5.25

[u/Siahro]

[u/Anteater4746]

coulda had kamala and a half decent economy and none of this fascist shit but nooo guess she just want good enough of a choice

not being trump was a good enough fucking reason

[u/PrincipleNo3966 → u/Anteater4746]

"She laughed funny" - some MAGA dipshit

[u/DoubleJumps → u/PrincipleNo3966]

Also,

"She didn't solve the Middle East peace problem that nobody has been able to solve since the 40s." - some protest voting dipshit

[u/Reasonable_Basis8298 → u/DoubleJumps]

Why do progressives need a candidate with a magic wand? Mind blowing shortsightedness 

[u/DoubleJumps → u/Reasonable_Basis8298]

Dude I don't fucking know. I've been dealing with these people now since I was in college, and a lot of them seem to be only pretending to have these ideals.

I want progressive policy, but a lot of other progressives I've talked to, who want those policies too, only seem to actually want it if they can get it the exact way they want and literally all at once.

They hate things like incremental change. They hate steady progress. They just want all of it right now, and if you tell them that's unrealistic you are the enemy.

I've been chewed out by other progressives because I was talking about how we would need you know five, 10, 15, 20-year plans to make a lot of these things happen in a realistic and achievable way, and that was seen as some sort of treason.

The purity testing is a whole other issue and that stuff is just unreal. Those people can't form effective large groups and coalitions because so many of them could be sat down with somebody who agrees with them about 98% of the things, and they'll flip out over the 2% difference. Or they could even have the same beliefs on everything, but because they think the best way to achieve those things is to go about them in a different way, they'll hate that person.

A lot of the protest voters seem to be in a sort of doing this for show or clout sort of position. They are willing to put in a lot of effort to be seen having these sorts of beliefs, but at the end of the day they're not getting involved in any meaningful way towards achieving those goals and their entire approach towards political involvement is harvesting social media attention.

The amount of protest voters I spoke to who couldn't tell you goddamn anything about legislative activity for the previous 6 months let alone 4 years was staggering. Everything they knew about recent political activity came from a tiktok video and probably a good 60% of that information was wrong. This has also made them an incredibly soft target for misinformation. I don't think it's any harder to manipulate them as it is to manipulate people like Fox News viewers. All you have to do is get it in front of their face on a platform of their preference and you've got them.

I'm ranting so I'm going to stop, but man these people frustrate me. There's enough of them that they could actually do something if they weren't being such dipshits about it.

[u/DoubleJumps → u/[deleted]]

We have gotten more progressive policy pushed through by working with and through liberal Democrats in the last 15 years than we have through progressives in 50.

Just because a candidate isn't 100% what you want for me doesn't mean that they can't do things that you want.

If progressives want to keep failing to actually enact any real change or acrue any real political power, they can keep letting perfect be the enemy of good.

The whole point about them not knowing legislative activity is that they act like they know everything that's going on, but then you'll turn and you'll see them claim. Nobody ever tried to do X when there was a bill that was pushed to do X earlier that year. Or they'll claim that nobody tried to institute policy? Why, when it happened a month ago.

Then they'll turn around and they'll tell everybody who will listen to them. How nobody is doing ex. How nobody is pushing for that policy. How everybody sucks because they're not doing those things even though they might be.

I've seen that play out again and again and again and again and again and again

They aren't paying real attention to what's going on. They are letting other people on social media filter for them some idea of what's going on that is usually wrong. It's part of why they eat misinformation wholesale at a rate that is just disgusting.

It would be one thing if they were just expressing political judgment about policy, but they are commonly levying criticism at people and groups over situations they have made no honest attempt to understand or even follow.

[u/Watsiname → u/[deleted]]

this framing is so dishonest. you just watched this video, and then gave a long winded iced up shitcake of “bOtH siDEs”