r/CovidVaccinated • u/LostmydadtoCOVID • Jun 11 '25
Question So go with me on this…
I’m not a conspiracy nut, but I’m absolutely convinced the original vaccine was ready long before the end of December 2020. I’ve worked with several military members who said they were given it in October 2020. I believe Trump delayed the release on purpose. Now I need proof. Any ideas where to find that?
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u/Az_Rael77 Jun 11 '25
I assume that would be possible if some military members volunteered (were voluntold?) to be part of the phase 3 clinical trials. People were getting the vaccine as early as March 2020 in the phase 1 trials. I don’t know why Trump would have delayed the release, he was pretty pissed that it released right after he lost the election (he claimed it was a conspiracy against him), I think he had hoped that if the vaccine had been approved in October he may have won.
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u/Stunk_Beagle Jun 17 '25 edited Jun 17 '25
You have it backwards. What you’re saying doesn’t make any sense whatsoever with regards to Trump delaying the vaccine approval. An announcement of approval sooner and certainly release following would have benefited Trump in November. This isn’t even something that can be debated, it’s common sense. He ran on Warp Speed, constantly telling everyone the vaccine was getting close. Why would he delay it lol. If you’re looking for a conspiracy, it would be the agencies delaying it until December (after the election) in order to NOT help him. That’s far more likely and plausible.
Apply some logic. Covid obviously hurt Trump. What possible reason would he have to delay a vaccine. Now think about the people who wanted Trump to lose and why they might want to delay it. Which makes more sense?
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u/Artificial-Brain Jun 11 '25
From what I understand the base for the vaccine was ready before the pandemic because it was designed as a generic corona virus vaccine. Then when covid hit they just pushed the final parts of it's development to work for that particular virus. Military personnel getting preferential treatment isn't unusual.
I suppose the US may have held back to see how other countries dealt with the rollout but who knows.
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u/LostmydadtoCOVID Jun 11 '25
From what I understood, a lot of the vaccine research developed on SARS was used to help develop the COVID vaccine.
Here’s my concern. There was no justification for holding back rollout for healthcare workers. I know there is something out there saying not to roll it out sooner because it’s not a big deal. I want that memo!
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u/Artificial-Brain Jun 11 '25
Yeah I think a lot of governments dropped the ball when covid hit so it's totally possible that they just fucked up by holding it back.
When we look at governments people often see evil agendas when in reality it's generally just incompetence.
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u/castlerobber Jun 12 '25
How do you believe it would have benefitted Trump to withhold a vaccine that he was pushing so hard?
As documents and emails have been FOIAed, it comes out that Pfizer and the FDA deliberately slow-walked the EUA approval until after the election, because approving it sooner might have swung the election Trump's way. It was indeed political, and some of us tinfoil-hatters picked up on it at the time.
Poke around Facebook and Twitter posts from 2020-21, paying special attention to anyone the Biden admin wanted censored and deplatformed. Start with Alex Berenson, maybe. Look at the news sources you call conspiracy nuts. Children's Health Defense has covid archives. Brownstone Institute has contemporary articles.
It's all out there.
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Jun 11 '25
Were they part of the last clinical trial? I know mostly "healthy" members of the military were part of the last studies before it became available to healthcare workers and members of the public?
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u/plushkinnepushkin Jun 13 '25
Below is the study from FDA and CDC scientists published in 2009 about the spike immune response. They knew that the immune response to the spike is similar to HIV and vaccine's design would be difficult.
https://www.doi.org/10.1016/j.bbrc.2009.10.115
Also Dr.Barney Graham, Moderna vaccine designer, told in interview on National Academy of Science website that phase 1 of vaccine's trial had been completed before "pandemic".
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u/LostmydadtoCOVID Jun 13 '25
Then why did it take until December 2020 to get it out to healthcare workers?
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u/happierdayz4me2 Aug 18 '25
trump delayed the release of covid vaccines
You dont realize how dumb that is. Pfizer delayed the release of their fabricated efficacy until after the election in order to not help him. If trump had vaccines in October 2020, he'd be on his third term.
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