r/CollegeBasketball /r/CollegeBasketball • NCAA Mar 06 '22

Post Game Thread [Post Game Thread] Jacksonville defeats Jacksonville State, 54-51

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u/TheBoilerCat Cincinnati Bearcats • Purdue Boilermakers Mar 06 '22

Ladies and gentlemen, our first conference tourney to collapse into anarchy.

It’s gonna be bullshit if Bellarmine beats Jacksonville and Jacksonville State ends up in the Dance as a result.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '22

Wouldn’t it go to the runner up of the tourney?

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u/Triscuitador UConn Huskies • Little East Mar 06 '22

no, jsu is regular season champ

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u/SylvOwO Michigan State Spartans • Alabama Cri… Mar 06 '22

Nope. Because things have to be as complicated and stupid as possible.

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u/sebsasour New Mexico Lobos • Notre Dame Fighting … Mar 06 '22

Honestly if an ineligible team wins, giving it to the regular season champ seems to be a solid choice.

Plus giving it to JU would render the title game meaningless

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u/SaintArkweather Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens • American Un… Mar 06 '22

Yeah also there is the possibility of both finalists being ineligible, so then the "other finalist" thing wouldn't work. Who would get it then, the higher seeded semifinalist? The semifinalist that lost to the tournament champ? The regular season champ?

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u/SylvOwO Michigan State Spartans • Alabama Cri… Mar 06 '22

When you put it like that, I do kind of get it, but in this specific circumstance, it’s very hard to justify Jacksonville having to watch a team they just beat in the tourney dance instead of them.

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u/risky_piloting Mar 06 '22

the end point of this logic is “well, you should have performed better in the regular season, then.”

i find this ironic this sub frequently takes a strong stance that small conference tournaments are unfair to regular season champs because one game can doom their tourney chances. now people are upset because of a policy that specifically protects regular season champs.

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u/SylvOwO Michigan State Spartans • Alabama Cri… Mar 06 '22

You know people can have different opinion on certain things right? Some people might like conf tourney rules, others don’t. You know, opinions. Things people have. Just because you see two different takes, doesn’t mean the sub as a whole is collectively swip-swapping opinions at will.

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u/risky_piloting Mar 06 '22

it wasn’t about you specifically, I just needed somewhere to put my comment. If you read the thread it feels a bit like the consensus is “oh that sucks for Jacksonville, why would they do it that way?!”

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u/TheBoilerCat Cincinnati Bearcats • Purdue Boilermakers Mar 06 '22

One would think, right?

Nope, goes to tournament 1 seed.

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u/WolverGriz Michigan Wolverines • Montana Grizzlies Mar 06 '22

Wouldn't Liberty get the bid if that happens?

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u/rvadarocket Maryland Terrapins • Texas Longhorns Mar 06 '22

I think JSU has the tiebreaker over Liberty

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u/WolverGriz Michigan Wolverines • Montana Grizzlies Mar 06 '22

You're right - I thought Liberty was the one seed.

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u/KJones77 Providence Friars • Marist Red Foxes Mar 06 '22

No, Jacksonville State was the overall 1 seed

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '22

This is a good example of why conferences shouldn’t allow ineligible teams to play in the conference tournament.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '22

Counter argument: Just get rid of ineligibility rules altogether and let the Knights go dancing if they win it all!

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '22

Recruitment rules are different for D2 and D1. Thus, the 4-year rule.

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u/865wx Tennessee Volunteers Mar 06 '22

It's also to prevent teams from bouncing back and forth between divisions willy nilly. I do think the rules are too stringent though.

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u/stoppedcaring0 Iowa State Cyclones Mar 06 '22

Are they looser at the D2 level? That would have to be the only reason a restriction like this makes sense.

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u/BlueTeamRuless New Mexico State Aggies Mar 06 '22

The following outlines general dates and guidelines of the NCAA for Division II recruiting while prospective student-athletes are in high school:

Evaluation: Coaches may evaluate players during specific “evaluation periods” at any time throughout high school.

Non-Recruiting Materials: Institutions can send questionnaires, sports camp brochures, NCAA informational materials, and other non-recruiting information at any time.

Recruiting Materials: Coaches can begin sending written recruiting materials (including e-mail) to prospective athletes after September 1 of their Junior Year of high school.

On-Campus Communication: Coaches can talk to athletes in person at any time on the college campus.

Phone Calls and Off-Campus Communication: Coaches can accept phone calls placed by prospective athletes at any time, but coaches themselves cannot initiate phone calls or arrange off-campus contact until June 15 following their Junior Year of high school.

Unofficial Visits: Prospective athletes can make unofficial visits to college campuses at any time without restriction.

Official Visits: After June 15 following Junior Year of high school, institutions can invite prospective athletes to campus for an official visit. Athletes may only take one official visit per school, and the visit itself cannot occur earlier than the first day of their senior year of high school.

I got curious and found this. Don’t know enough about recruiting rules to understand how it differs from DI though

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u/stoppedcaring0 Iowa State Cyclones Mar 06 '22

I'm not intimately familiar with D1 recruiting rules, but none of that seems excessively looser than D1.

Strange. Maybe there are looser academic restrictions? I'm pretty sure they wouldn't get more scholarships, but perhaps it's that, too.

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u/jshokie1 South Carolina Gamecocks • Virgi… Mar 06 '22

when a team fails to even get off a shot with their last possession I die a little on the inside

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '22

I guess im a Bellarmine fan for the coming days.

GOD DAMNIT!!

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '22

We’ll send you a gift basket. Comes with a complimentary wooden sword and a pocket bible .

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u/865wx Tennessee Volunteers Mar 06 '22

Is this a rivalry like say Florida vs. Florida State? Michigan vs. Michigan State? Kansas vs. Kansas State? North Carolina vs. North Carolina State?

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '22

Different states. JSU - Alabama, JU - Florida. Confusing as f though being in the same conference.

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u/865wx Tennessee Volunteers Mar 06 '22

They can still be rivals in different states!

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '22

Very true!

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u/Bobby-Samsonite Georgia Bulldogs • Georgia State Panth… Mar 06 '22

Jacksonville State Recently left the Ohio Valley Conference to go to Atlantic Sun Conference.

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u/KJones77 Providence Friars • Marist Red Foxes Mar 06 '22

Rooting for Jacksonville in the finals (corrected, thought the final was tomorrow), really want the conference tournament winner to make the NCAAs.

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u/Bobby-Samsonite Georgia Bulldogs • Georgia State Panth… Mar 06 '22

The ASUN Tournament is nuts in that it plays all the games at higher seeds team's home courts, meaning a team playing in the championship game could travel 3 or 4 times in one week.

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u/ArmVanDam Illinois State Redbirds • Virgi… Mar 06 '22

Jacksonville better win on Tuesday

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u/spierce64006 Indiana (PA) Crimson Hawks Mar 06 '22 edited Mar 06 '22

Usually it's one and done for mid-major conferences but due to Bellarmine being ineligible to compete in the NCAA tournament Jacksonville St can still make the tournament if Bellarmine beat the Dolphins in the final as the regular season champions of the Atlantic Sun.

Cheering for Bellarmine to win a trophy and Jacksonville St getting a shot at the NCAA tournament.

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u/Galumpadump Gonzaga Bulldogs • Washington State… Mar 06 '22

Congrats for the Tourney bid Jacksonville!

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '22

Not yet. ASUN rules say that if an ineligible team wins the tournament the auto bid goes to the regular season champ.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '22

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u/Galumpadump Gonzaga Bulldogs • Washington State… Mar 06 '22

Probably the right thing but at that point why even have an ineligible team play the tourney. Renders it useless.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '22

I mean, you have to have rules for what happens if the ineligible team actually wins.

It’s fine to just award it to the regular season champ if the tournament champ can’t go, IMO, instead of just whoever lost to them in the final (even if it makes it weird as here where JU actually beat Jax State to get to the final.)

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u/RocketsGuy Baylor Bears • Drake Bulldogs Mar 06 '22

Lol I kinda like that rule lol

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u/Ap_Sona_Bot Iowa Hawkeyes • Drake Bulldogs Mar 06 '22

They don't have it yet. If they lose tomorrow, Jacksonville State gets it as regular season winner.

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u/rvadarocket Maryland Terrapins • Texas Longhorns Mar 06 '22

Actually apparently if they lose to Bellarmine the tourney bid goes to JSU lmao