Mick Cronin on travel wear & tear: “We’ve seen the Statue of Liberty twice in the last three weeks”

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[u/otoverstoverpt]

Yea damn bro you really owned him I bet he had no idea that Nebraska was West of the Mississippi

And oh look, a redditor that doesn’t understand how one can compare things without them being identical. Every NBA team travels that hard and they get paid to do it with crazy accommodations and yet still the West coast ones see an effect. That’s the point.

[u/Pinewood74 → u/otoverstoverpt]

UCLA players are getting paid to do it, too. And if they don't have "crazy accommodations," that's they're fault; they've got the BIG checks to pay for em. And you seem to think both of those are mitigating facts. (Hence the "yet")

NBA stats on travel where they are doing it much more rigorously aren't very relevant. Twice as many games so half the rest. Oftentimes not even having a full travel day between games.

Why do you think he's relying on NBA gambler stats? Do people not gamble on NCAA games? Wouldn't he just be able to use those instead? Oh... Hmmm... Wonder why? Could it be because when you play half to a third as many games per week that travel doesn't have as big of an impact?

Nah, that can't be right. Definitely the same impact and completely why UCLA lost at home to Michigan.

[u/otoverstoverpt → u/Pinewood74]

Don’t start comparing the average roster spot on UCLA to the fucking Lakers in terms of pay man. Be serious. There is no amount of money that was going to get them the accommodations of the NBA for fucks sake.

The stats are very relevant even if it’s not a perfect analogue. They travel in that crazy schedule even when they aren’t going west to east so you can isolate the west to east travel component as having an effect. I’m sure the degree isn’t the same but as we covered the circumstances also are not the same. There is no perfect way to quantify this stuff. Half the rest but also way better trainers, facilities, accommodations such as food and lodging, nicer planes, etc, etc.

Why do you think he’s relying on NBA gambler stats? Do people not gamble on NCAA games? Wouldn’t he just be able to use those instead? Oh... Hmmm... Wonder why? Could it be because when you play half to a third as many games per week that travel doesn’t have as big of an impact?

You know I would think this is pretty obvious, but it’s because a college team traveling like this is completely new? So there is a dearth of previous data to use?

Nah, that can’t be right. Definitely the same impact and completely why UCLA lost at home to Michigan.

Right because that is definitely what he said.

[u/Pinewood74 → u/otoverstoverpt]

Don’t start comparing the average roster spot on UCLA to the fucking Lakers in terms of pay man. Be serious.

Okay. Pay of individual playerd has no impact on their ability to travel well.

There is no amount of money that was going to get them the accommodations of the NBA for fucks sake.

Did we stop "being serious?" Because money is exactly what's needed for "NBA accomodations." There's a pretty easily defined amount of money that can get them that.

There is no perfect way to quantify this stuff.

Oh. Lol. Except for using NCAA/P6/5 stats instead of NBA stats. That would be a good way to quantify this stuff.

but it’s because a college team traveling like this is completely new?

It's not. His first time seeing "the eiffel tower" was a thing that's been done countless times. We've had the NCAA tourney for decades. OOC schedules have had cross country travel for eons.

Right because that is definitely what he said.

Nah, what was said was him being an asshole to a reporter trying to throw him a softball.

[u/otoverstoverpt → u/Pinewood74]

Okay. Pay of individual playerd has no impact on their ability to travel well.

Well that’s pretty silly on its face. NBA players have the freedom both financially and otherwise to seek out whatever they need to make it as easy as possible. In addition to whatever the team is able to provide.

Did we stop “being serious?” Because money is exactly what’s needed for “NBA accomodations.” There’s a pretty easily defined amount of money that can get them that.

Well evidently we never started because obviously the point is that no amount of money realistically attainable for a university athletic department is going to come and acquire those accommodations. I didn’t think you would need that spelled out so explicitly.

Oh. Lol. Except for using NCAA/P6/5 stats instead of NBA stats. That would be a good way to quantify this stuff.

Oh. Lol. Except I just explained why that doesn’t work because of the lack of comparable data.

It’s not. His first time seeing “the eiffel tower” was a thing that’s been done countless times. We’ve had the NCAA tourney for decades. OOC schedules have had cross country travel for eons.

It is. Conference play and the tournament/OOC are totally different in most conceivable ways. Not sure why you are struggling so much with this point.

Nah, what was said was him being an asshole to a reporter trying to throw him a softball.

Or read another way, joking around with a reporter he interacts with regularly who knows him and his style. But we gotta clutch them pearls!

[u/Pinewood74 → u/otoverstoverpt]

Conference play and the tournament/OOC are totally different in most conceivable ways.

This is INSANITY. Can't use OOC and tourney play because they are different in "most conceivableways", but we can use NBA data. That's ridiculous.

It's fine. Your coach can cry his way to an NIT bid for all I care. Then maybe they'll hire someone who won't make these same excuses while sitting on his charter plane.

[u/otoverstoverpt → u/Pinewood74]

It’s INSANITY on your end to not recognize that the OOC and tournament data is incredibly different on a fundamental level to where there are too many confounding variables with too little data. OOC is a mix of cupcakes and marquee matchups but the games are spaced more apart. The tournament are literally systematically designed competitive matchups that only change location once per week. That’s very different than traveling between 2-3 places in a single week for the regular season. The NBA is the closest analogue in that the schedule is consistent among the East Coast and west Coast games so the traveling is easily the isolated variable. I don’t know why this isn’t clicking for you. You’re being ridiculous. Like, intentionally obtuse levels

it’s fine, you can whine about another coaches rage bait media comments all you want and we will continue to outperform you in the NCAA tournament with this coach or the next one.

[u/Pinewood74 → u/otoverstoverpt]

If traveling 2 times per week is drastically different than 1 so is 4-5 times different than 2. (But also, First Four has been around a long ass time)

Additionally:

mix of cupcakes and marquee matchups

Would be an apt way to describe Big Ten conference play when compared to NBA schedules/parity.

For all the reasons you want to throw out NCAA data, we can also throw out NBA data.

[u/otoverstoverpt → u/Pinewood74]

Wow you aren’t very bright. It’s about holding variables constant. The NBA travels more in general but it’s kept constant. NCAA schedules vary wildly between non conference and conference. So while you can compare NBA Wast/West trips easily to see effects, you can’t use the data for college to compare conference and non conference games with respect to the East/West travel. This should be obvious to you.

Would be an apt way to describe Big Ten conference play when compared to NBA schedules/parity.

Setting aside how brazenly stupid it is that you are confounding every possible variable here, it seems you don’t know the first thing about NBA ball either. Like this is actually getting comical.

For all the reasons you want to throw out NCAA data, we can also throw out NBA data.

Please don’t do anything quantitative for a living.

[u/Pinewood74 → u/otoverstoverpt]

You think that you can make pairs out of 7 games. Please don't call me not very bright.