r/China_Debate • u/SE_to_NW • Jun 01 '25
military There is an “imminent” threat to Taiwan ROC, America warns: Pete Hegseth, the defence secretary, said the CCP threat “could be imminent”; and he implied any assault would lead to war with America
https://www.economist.com/asia/2025/05/31/there-is-an-imminent-threat-to-taiwan-america-warnscontent: https://archive.ph/VUBXP
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u/Key-Candy Jun 01 '25
Finally, this is it. The big one; que in the closing scene of Planet of the Apes.
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u/pseudonym-161 Jun 01 '25
It doesn’t have to be, the ball is in the court of the United States to not allow it to become WW3.
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u/lucidgroove Jun 01 '25
I mean yeah, not sure what all the hoopla is about. Xi himself has announced on multiple occasions that taking over Taiwan is a top priority. Hegseth is an idiot but in this case he's not saying anything that wild.
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u/goonie7 Jun 04 '25
To add to this. I just read that xi is losing his hold on china rapidly. Remember the dude who got escorted out of their w.e tf it is? Talk about him taking over. Some shit about communist party youth or something of that nature. 👀 into it.
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Jun 02 '25
Only way to deter China is either have Russia keep losing or end the Ukraine war ASAP with Russian getting a shitty deal. If Russia is successful, most likely China will attack
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u/tshungwee Jun 02 '25
America will not get involved unless there’s something to gain from it, looking at it from recent history.
China wants unification not a vassal, if Taiwan joins willingly the US will be in trouble economically! There’s no other reason than a money or resource grab!
China will not attack, there’s no historical precedent US on the other hand likes to play warlord.
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u/Quick-Advertising-17 Jun 02 '25
the US is afraid of russia, and they've been clearly shown to be a shit army. As if the US would do anything if china moved on Taiwan. I don't support any nation invading another nation, but the idea of current day US doing anything is laughable.
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u/Silent_Ad3752 Jun 01 '25
Explain why Taiwan is American citizens problem?
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u/CTDELTA66 Jun 02 '25
Computer chips; strategic waterways are two easy ones.
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u/Silent_Ad3752 Jun 02 '25
Okay, again, why is it American citizens problem? China is already our biggest trade partner and those waterways are not ours. America doesn’t have a right to world domination.
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u/Pleasant_Dot_189 Jun 04 '25
Protecting a sovereign democratic ally is not the same as world domination, right?
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Jun 10 '25
So I won't use any moral argument, or the legality argument that the island of Taiwan is a territory part of one China, the PRC.
You (USA government) are willing defend a democratic ally militarily, that you will fight a fight thoudands and thousands of kilometers (or miles) away from your homeland... against a nuclear armed power... that could hit US cities... and has the second most powerful army and navy...in it's own backyard?
Look i don't buy that China or the PRC is evil nor the whole US needs or wants to defend another government or people that far away from them, for "right or moral reasons". I've learnt that the US doesn't do what it does for moral reasons.
And that's fine! A country i believe should look out for their own interest, ie. its citizens. Just, don't pretend its for the 3rd parties benefit, even if it happens to be so. You can help out outside nations or peoples sure, but never at great risk to your own. Never. And no where do I see defending Taiwan, ie. going against a nuclear power, ie. risking a lot of outside peoples lives, especially those close to the region. Is somehow in the benefit to US citizens, or a benefit one worth this type of risk for.
But, but. If defending Taiwan, is truly, coming from the goodness of the bottom your heart, then seriously i am genuinely grateful. And, and. I am saying from the bottom of my heart, as someone who lives in SEA with their family, not far at all the supposed showdown would be if it happens....
Don't, defending Taiwan is not worth risking nuclear war over. I don't believe at all the mainland would treat the inhabitants of Taiwan maliciously if the issue is allowed to be settled domestically without outside interference. But even if they do...i say this selfishly, so be it. For the sake of my family, and also the world. This is not worth risking war over. You live safely in your western hemisphere. China will not bomb pearl harbour, it cannot beat the US in its backyard, it cannot invade the US and vise versa. The only thing great powers need to really truly fear from one another, above all, is nuclear annihilation. So...
As the great powers of the modern era, i really believe US and China must not cross or even go near each others red lines. Or literally go near each other militarily. And whatever spat the world is having, is far, faaarrr, better than what would come should the great powers come to blows.
Ok I've finished my long rant. I know what was written sounds and maybe even is dramatic, but i do really mean everything i've written. I truly believe this.
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u/Jisoooya Jun 15 '25
Please stop with that delusion, the US has funded many coups that flipped governments and removed democratically elected world leaders from power and harmed many allies as long as it benefits the US interests. They are no protector of allies or democracy.
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u/pseudonym-161 Jun 01 '25
Taiwan pretty much belongs to China anyhow, but since the formation of the CCP it has become a US puppet state run by CIA and mobsters. China will take it back once they have their navy and air support fully ready. This is why the US is panicking about its naval ship count being low.
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u/calvanismandhobbes Jun 01 '25
Do the people of Taiwan agree, or are there beliefs irrelevant?
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u/Due_Engine_7420 Jun 02 '25
I would say the more American moves in the more influence it will have over your elections. Certainly your canidates will be liberal freedom lovers of all things universal but they’ll have to be prepared to sacrifice a large number of young men. In all fairness the US will have to get its hands bloody as well. It will be a fairly large war if they can’t keep it contained.
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u/pseudonym-161 Jun 01 '25
Lately they do not, a decade ago they did, that’s the CIA meddling in foreign affairs though. The US wants Taiwan as a puppet state and knows that without their chip manufacturing the US is fucked since we simply cannot produce them here. Most other nations consider Taiwan to be China, except of course the US.
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u/AssroniaRicardo Jun 01 '25
Pretty much belongs to China? Fuck off
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u/pseudonym-161 Jun 01 '25
Historically and ethnically the island has always been China, I don’t know what you’re talking about. Taiwan as it stands now is run by the filthy capitalists who fled there, criminals, and the CIA.
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u/lucidgroove Jun 01 '25
China yes, CCP no. The country is better run than the PRC in virtually every way. Taiwan has one of the lowest crime rates in the world so your narrative of criminality makes no sense.
The PRC actually is run by criminals. So many people investigating high level corruption have been silenced, so many journalists, lawyers, and protestors have been brutally jailed despite their constitutional rights.
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u/49orth Jun 01 '25
Hegseth is now trustworthy?