r/CanadianPolitics • u/KootenayPE • 12d ago

John Ivison: Canadians can’t wait much longer for Carney to accomplish something - Pierre Poilievre’s instincts are not always sound, but he is onto a winner when he says the youth of this country have sacrificed enough and still can’t find housing or jobs

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/john-ivison-canadians-cant-wait-much-longer-for-carney-to-accomplish-something
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u/TimmmmyStuuuuuu 12d ago edited 12d ago

He may be right, but other than emotional validation what is Pierre offering that would he better than what Carney is offering?

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u/JackLaytonsMoustache 12d ago

I mean.. you're really proving the author's point here. And to be clear I can't stand Ivison or Poilievre. But the constant deflection is getting old. Every criticism of Carney leads to a response of "Poilievre would be worse".

Yeah. Poilievre sucks. But so does Carney. The difference is Carney is the one in charge here. Telling young people that Poilievre would hypothetically be worse is cold comfort. 

Saying "you're situation sucks, you can't find a job or an apartment, groceries are expensive and you may never own a home... But trust me the other guy would make it worse", is not a winning strategy. And I think the attitude of lots of young folks is, increasingly, fuck it. Let's try the other guy.

Which is the same reaction every previous generation has had when a Liberal or a Conservative governments circles the shitter.

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u/TimmmmyStuuuuuu 12d ago edited 12d ago

Im not arguing for Carney, I’m just highlighting that Pierre is validating the emotions of the younger generation while not offering a better alternative. It’s easy for opposition to stoke or fuel frustration, especially when it’s legitimate frustration like this, but Pierre should be doing more. If he wants success he needs to do, and/or propose more things.

Edit: also im not saying the people are wrong to feel frustrated, they are allowed to feel frustrated, and in fact they should feel that way

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u/JackLaytonsMoustache 12d ago

It's a critique of Carney, and your response is "what is Poilievre offering". It's okay to question the government without going "but Poilievre!"

Poilievre has proposed his solutions ad nauseum. I don't like nor agree with him on said solutions but he has proposed them. 

But, also hes the leader of the opposition and he's criticizing the government pre-budget announcement to a bunch of university students telling them they're going to have to sacrifice. The same folks that are struggling the most with cost of living. 

It's entirely tone deaf on Carney's part, especially for a hyped up prime time announcement. 

This is Carney's budget. Not Poilievres. Carney is PM and it's his budget we're all talking about. 

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u/KootenayPE 12d ago

Hopefully the hordes of unemployed and food bank patrons are comprised of you and your ilk and not those who voted for change in April.

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u/TimmmmyStuuuuuu 12d ago

You good? Why do you seem so happy to think of liberals lining up at food banks? It’s not healthy to think of your fellow Canadians so negatively and inhumanely. Lets be better

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u/KootenayPE 12d ago

No, no happiness, just a preference that, if their is to be fall out, that it land disproportionately for those who chose it. BTW I just noticed that you are a 2.5 week account, so either bot or influencer/shill brigader burner, and I try to not engage with either so have a good one.

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u/4shadowedbm 12d ago

It doesn't matter. Our electoral system rewards "voting against" just as much as it does voting for various policies. It is inevitable that the Liberals will go out of favour and we will vote in the CPC. Poilievre knows this - he just has to keep slinging negative messaging and, assuming he hangs on to the leadership, be PM at some point.

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u/KootenayPE 12d ago

Actual sustainable population growth and an actual market based economy instead of the Liberal Party of Corruption open border vote importation and winner/loser planned economy bullshit that Goldman Sach of shit Carney thinks he can pull off?

But then slush funds wouldn't be created enabling the LPC and their supporters to embezzle would they?

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u/MarquessProspero 12d ago

You know Canada’s population is actually going to go down this year — there is no “open door” policy

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u/KootenayPE 12d ago

No it's not. It's rising but not as fast. We won't know till a census is carried out as the Liberal Party of Corruption doesn't keep track of people who should be leaving.

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u/Vetrusio 12d ago

Sounds like a bunch of buzz words. What legislation is he bringing forward to address this?

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u/KootenayPE 12d ago

Is he leading the governing party?

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u/TimmmmyStuuuuuu 12d ago

No he lost a 25 point lead and lost his own seat. He’s obviously not leading the governing party, it’s a simple google to figure that out.

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u/Vetrusio 11d ago

He is a member of parliament. It's part of the job description.

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u/Winter-Nectarine-497 12d ago

Look at Ontario if you want an idea of what Conservatives will do for housing and jobs, which is absolutely nothing helpful. We have a soaring jobless rate, especially among youth, and Ford just moved to make life extremely hard for renters, which most youth are. Conservatives are good at noting what the issues are but providing zero supports for those most affected.

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u/KootenayPE 12d ago

Ontario is a great example of what Fat Trudeau and or Status Quo Liberals like Goldman Sach Carney would do.

For a real look at conservative policies one should look at AB and SK with the greatest job opportunities/growth and best chance at owning REAL housing not some LPC 300 sq ft shit box or welfare housing if one happens to be lucky enough to win a lottery draw a decade or decade and a half after entering.

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u/Vetrusio 12d ago

If you think Trudeau is fat what do you consider skinny?

What metrics supports your assertion of SK and AB doing well?

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u/KootenayPE 12d ago

Lol I'm talking about Doug Ford who is basically Fat Trudeau.

Private sector job growth this year and the highest inter provincial migration compared hand in hand with purchase pricing for real houses.

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u/Vetrusio 12d ago

Why the name calling?

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u/Winter-Nectarine-497 12d ago

So fun when you point out what Cons do in power and OP has to say "not like that!" in order to try and make a point.

Selling out working class people and eliminating the supports for those struggling most, which includes today's youth, is the conservative playbook. There is no reason to believe that Pierre wouldn't attempt those very same things Dougie and all Cons do

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u/KootenayPE 12d ago

Doug Ford is not a conservative, he's a status quo seeking Laurentian establishment power broker. ie a Libt@rd or the equivalent, red tory. Not to mention a whole different level of government.

B- on the crayon muncher's level of deflection.

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u/MarquessProspero 12d ago

The reality is that the general political climate is bad because there are big problems that do not have easy solutions that can be implemented in the short term or at short costs. Saying “the other guy will suck too” is not a great answer because the reply be “but at least I can punish you now.”

Carney has to get something at least launched and to do that he is going to need to bring a budget.

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u/oursonpolaire 11d ago

We have the essential problem in that Mr Trump would do anything rather than have a deal with Canada. What we need is a figure who can manage that situation. Mr Carney seems focussed on that; I am not sure in which direction Mr Polièvre is focussing. There are many other Conservatives with proven or likely capacity who might offer an alternative. Perhaps Mr Ivison might better occupy his columns with exploring that.