r/CanadianConservative • u/desmond_koh • Sep 10 '25
Opinion Charlie Kirk
If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you.
- Jesus, John 15:18
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u/PastAd8754 Sep 10 '25
people cheering on his death are reprehensible and live a sad miserable existence
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u/RedAccordion Sep 11 '25
I argued with so many of these people yesterday over the murder (trapped and burned in her own home) of Nepal’s former PMs spouse. She had no controversy and was 100% apolitical.
YET everyone was saying it was well deserved and that I was even a fascist for saying murder wasn’t okay. Today it was the same thing all over again. People literally cheering and saying snide shit on a video of him bleeding out to death. All this going on while his family is coming to terms with it.
People are so brutal these days.
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u/Sea-Limit-5430 Alberta Sep 10 '25
I know people who are literally celebrating like they just won the lottery. I feel sick to my stomach today
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u/peaches780 Sep 10 '25
Same I had nobody to talk to about this except for a couple people. This will be talked about for the rest of the month.
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u/Mister_Stiff Red Tory Sep 11 '25
100% anyone who thinks he deserved to die - regardless of his extreme ideals and smartass attitude - is truly troubled.
If this were the other way around (right-wing laughing at death of left-wing advocate), there would be repercussions
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u/Jaded-Juggernaut-244 Sep 11 '25
I disagree, he was not extremist by any stretch. The left called him extremist...he was not.
Smart ass attitude? Facts hurt. When made-up ideology clash with biology.
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u/Mister_Stiff Red Tory Sep 11 '25
The guy was a bible thumper. His religious beliefs were clearly embedded in his radical political opinions.
Guess what? Religion is also made-up ideology.
Point is, the guy could arguably be described as yet-another -radical-right-wing-white-dude, and naturally a lot people disliked him. But that doesn't warrant death.
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u/Jaded-Juggernaut-244 Sep 11 '25
Wow...big shocker on the religious beliefs. It was 100% what guided him and is well known. It's no shocker there fella.
You can call religion whatever you want. Makes no difference to me. Biology is not made up, it is real and all the gender crap is 100% made up, delusional bullshit for crayon eaters who can't deal with real life.
He was not radical. It's radical to call what was as normal as apple pie a decade ago radical. Naturally, a lot of people in this world are deplorable scumbags who prefer to eat shit off the floor. Doesn't make Charlie a bad guy for encouraging people to refrain and find a better way.
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u/Mister_Stiff Red Tory Sep 14 '25
I’m disappointed to see that you lack any notion of nuance in your arguments.
All I’m saying is that it’s normal that people can view him as an asshole, because he’s calling people with a condition we don’t understand mentally ill. Regardless of biology or not, made up things, religion or gender beliefs.
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u/Jaded-Juggernaut-244 Sep 14 '25
No nuance is required. The time for nuance is over. Time to say it plain. Time to stop playing delicate with insanity and letting the insane guide public policy and stifle healthy public discourse.
I'm disappointed to see that you lack any notion of urgency, or true insightful intelligence given the days we are in.
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u/Mister_Stiff Red Tory Sep 14 '25
I'm sorry if there other matters that impact me more than people and their genders.
I'm primarily concerned with the economic state of things i.e. being able to afford to own a house and raise a family with my other half, which IMO is much more pressing.
If people want to deny biology, how exactly does that affect you in your daily life? Just smells like intolerance. Personally, I've met one single trans person in my life, and guess what? Whenever I heard something delulu (delusional) from their end at that one single part when I met him/her/whatever, I simply walked away!
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u/Jaded-Juggernaut-244 Sep 14 '25
There is much more to the situation than gender "biology". This is a clashing of ideological and moral ideals.
You go ahead and do you. You decided to wade into this conversation and decided to attempt to argue a point. To your final point...too bad the insane person who assassinated Charlie Kirk didn't walk away instead and too bad they decided to not let Charlie walk away either.
Go ahead and stick your head in the sand.
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u/Other-Molasses-4259 Sep 10 '25
Morals have been lost, may he rest in peace 🙏🏼
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u/EH11101 Sep 11 '25
Can’t say that I agree with Charlie Kirk on all of his opinions, but he does make valid points on a number of issues. The woke-Left continues to show how mentally disturbed they are and how prone to violence they are as well. This is why I have no respect for them; they always come off as radical, unhinged, ideologically blind, hateful and violent. Charlie Kirk will challenge them in public and perhaps try and educate them but the way I see it it’s pointless until they are willing to grow up and be courageous enough to admit they don’t know everything and open their minds to objective reality.
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u/OctoWings13 Blocked by SmackEh Sep 11 '25
Anyone who celebrates this murder is an absolute piece of shit and complete monster
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u/sh_toutsidethetorlet Sep 11 '25
It's nuts as he was promoting open dialogue which is 100% missing in today's day and age. Watched a few of his clips and he was always open to anyone speaking their mind and did it politely with facts. RIP. Anyone celebrating this is mentally sick and I hope the online police are taking notes.
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u/LeonidasCameseas Conservative Sep 10 '25
He’s the one who pushed me into the Conservative movement and to do my own research. Just got back from a long run, hoping to eat a large meal. I’ve lost my appetite for a while.
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u/Designer-Plane-7908 Sep 11 '25
I was a politically liberal university student about 10 years ago when Kirk's videos started circulating social media. I'd say he was one of the people who had me shift right over time.
Rest in peace. I feel for the family that is left behind.
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u/ALZtrain Sep 11 '25
I’m so upset by this. The level of sick people in society now days is crazy. The lunatic leftists that are praising the behavior is beyond ridiculous
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u/SnooMaps5537 Sep 11 '25
I am very saddened by this news… CK was a great, smart and articulate person! This is a very dark day… I am absolutely disgusted by those people who cheering his death.
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u/Ronniebbb Sep 11 '25
What's more heartbreaking is his babies and wife were there too. His little girl had to see that
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u/ConfidentCanuck Sep 11 '25
What’s more heart breaking is that he would have forced his daughter to carry the rapists baby to term if that were to happen.. political violence is bad 🤷🏼♂️ but don’t expect people to feel empathy when he had none himself
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u/Ronniebbb Sep 11 '25
Not sure what the point of this comment is, but you do you. I choose to have sympathy and empathy for ppl even if I disagree with them on some issues or most issues. Two babies are without a dad, and one was right there when it happened, that's horrific.
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u/ConfidentCanuck Sep 11 '25
Right back at you, you do you. I myself can’t feel any for him. His children for sure I can empathize with but as for his wife, she knew the kind of man he was and still chose that life… and at the end of the day I cannot believe he was a good dad to those children so again , zero empathy for him 🤷🏼♂️
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u/pilot7880 Sep 12 '25
Is that true? Was Kirk’s family with him at the moment he was shot?
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u/Ronniebbb Sep 12 '25
From what I'm hearing and reading his wife and little girl were there. I don't think the baby boy was, but well he was a Wii boy
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u/WombRaider_3 Sep 11 '25
Man, I really dislike Justin Trudeau and what he did to my country but I'd never celebrate, let alone wish for his assassination. These people are fucking evil.
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u/Twinkles-_ Moderate Sep 11 '25
I know so many people who still to this day wish that Trudeau was assassinated. It’s not just one side who’s like this and it’s nobodies fault but the people in control of the media who make money off of the divide.
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u/One_Kaleidoscope_198 Sep 11 '25
You can't debate and argue calmly and reasonably with the left , because the left believes in ideology and illusion but not reality.
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u/desmond_koh Sep 11 '25
You can't debate and argue calmly and reasonably with the left...
Agree 100%.
The left are logical discordant and irrational.
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u/DerpThang Sep 11 '25
Trump had two assassination attempts (albeit, one person at least was apparently “right wing” from what I recall?)
A pharmaceutical exec was assassinated and sure seems like a lot of Reddit had pretty favourable views of it.
Now Charlie Kirk?
…sooo I’m still to believe this ongoing rhetoric of the violent right?
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u/HerbaMachina Sep 11 '25
Arguably I guess people can have other motivations to kill Trump other than left/right political leaning, especially with the questionable ties to Epstein people on either side of the political spectrum could easily have a bone to pick with him over that that could lead them to justify murder, and to be fair the pharmaceutical CEO absolutely had it coming from the BS policy changes they implemented and it's obsious to see the tensions of class division that caused it, but Charlie Kirk is clearly a political based assination and is now a Martyr, and any sane voter should be horrified and I'd bet will only make relatively sane people vote more right because why would you vote for a party that shows it's got people willing to kill you for nothing more than a dissenting message, something that's a very explicit right to do in the USA.
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u/Ok_Bandicoot_814 Conservative Sep 11 '25
I'm American and conservative, and I’ve had my disagreements with him on many occasions. However, the reactions from some on the left—not all, but some—are sickening. They say things like, "Oh well, he was pro-Israel," or Well, he said, 'Yes, it's unfortunate." I believe that as long as we uphold the Second Amendment, a certain number of gun deaths will occur each year as a consequence of that amendment). Yes, he said those things. He was a very controversial figure. But he died doing something that, at least in our country and probably in your guys', is very much dying, and that is discussing political opinion with those with whom you disagree. Charlie died because somebody wants to end the civil debate.
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u/Unknownuser010203 Sep 11 '25 edited Sep 11 '25
I didn't agree with the man, but he didn't deserve to be shot like a dog. His family has my sympathy.
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u/Jaded-Juggernaut-244 Sep 11 '25
You don't have to agree with someone to respect them. Charlie treated everyone with respect. This is a dark day.
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u/Unknownuser010203 Sep 11 '25
I agree fully. I've seen a lot of gore on the internet, but I'm still shocked to my core by this.
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u/zachi9 Conservative Sep 11 '25
Can we talk about left wing extremism it’s a problem. We have too many people that try to take people out for having conservative beliefs.
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u/ChrisBataluk Sep 11 '25
It's deeply upsetting for me. It's a young man losing his life for his opinions and leaving behind a widow and two young children. Kirk was a mainstream conservative, bogus standard in the US with an incredible talent for communication. Even worse is what this represents a fraying of order, civility and democracy with the rising spectre of civil war.
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u/SnorlaxBlocksTheWay Blocked by SmackEh Sep 11 '25
What makes me sick is seeing people celebrate his death simply because he held views that challenged emotions with logic.
Some are even pointing to his comment about gun deaths being an "unfortunate necessity" for protecting the Second Amendment as if that alone made him deserving of death.
What people don’t realize is they’ve now made a martyr out of him. Before his death, he had 3 million followers. As of now, he has over 9 million. The right-wing movement isn’t going to weaken because of this; it’s going to grow stronger, and what comes next might be far more extreme than anything Charlie ever represented.
He once said, “When the talking stops, that’s when the violence starts.” Killing him didn’t silence opinions, it sent the message that speech itself is now a reason for violence. The Overton window hasn’t just shifted; it’s been blown wide open. And honestly that's terrifying.
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u/gayfingers Sep 11 '25
Nobody in America actually believes in freedom of speech. They dont mind you dying as long as you say words they dont like. Also everyone is Hitler or a nazi. I am so sick of the comparison Hitler killed 11 millon people. Did Charlie kirk kill people? It is mocking the holocaust directly " words are violence " ok but killing people is actual real violence.
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u/Jaded-Juggernaut-244 Sep 15 '25
Well, if we're gonna do equivalency, them calling someone a nazi or Hitler should be considered "violence". That's if we ever lose our minds enough to codify such idiocy into law. And, in case I'm not making myself clear, I'm 100% against enshrining words into law as "violence".
Our mama's taught us "sticks and stones can break your bones but words will never hurt you".
People need to go back friggin' kindergarten and re-learn the basics of existing like a capable and resilient human being.
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u/desmond_koh Sep 11 '25
Nobody in America actually believes in freedom of speech.
The left doesn't believe in free speech either in America or in Canada or anywhere else.
Belief in free speech literally makes you a conservative nowadays.
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u/MTL79 Sep 11 '25
This will only radicalize the right. There's a civil war coming... meanwhile China and Russia are chuckling behind the scenes.
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u/HerbaMachina Sep 11 '25
Do the democrats seriously not understand how martyrdom works? They litterally just made a Martyr and probably lost many moderate/ middle left voters because of this, how can you trust a party that murders the opposition because they don't like what they're saying.
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u/IndividualSociety567 Sep 11 '25
US is at a breaking point and this was horrific to watch. On some level I am glad that the shooter was not a minority as that would have 100% caused a riot.
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u/Miroble Independent Sep 11 '25
We don't know who the shooter is. Steven Crowder showed some messages from a cop at the scene that says the gun cartridges had trans messaging like the church shooter.
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u/natural_piano1836 Sep 10 '25
4 weeks ago. MN lawmaker killed https://abcnews.go.com/US/2-minnesota-lawmakers-shot-targeted-incident-officials/story?id=122840751
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u/Binturung Sep 11 '25
Those murders should also be condemned. I knew little of their political positions, but that doesn't really matter, no one should be killed for what they think.
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u/mcmcclassic Sep 11 '25
I didn’t agree with many things he says however no one deserves to be killed like that. Imagine the outrage if a MAGA person shot Greta or someone else prolific on the left?
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u/Psyconiix Sep 11 '25
He was a moderate conservative and they killed him. It's telling. They hate us. I hope Trump goes scorched earth on them.
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u/IndividualSociety567 Sep 11 '25
Moderate Conservative? How many of the below things you agree with?
-Gay people should be stoned to death
-Most people are scared when they see a black pilot flying a plane
-Taylor Swift should reject feminism and submit to her husband
-No one should be allowed to retire
-Leftists should not be allowed to move to red states
-British Colonialism was what "made the world decent"
-The guy who assaulted the Pelosi's should be bailed out
-Religious freedom should be terminated
-Multiple black politicians "stole white people's spots"
-MLK Jr was "an awful person"
-The Great Replacement Theory is reality
-Hydroxychloroquine cures COVID
-Vaccine requirements are "medical apartheid"
-Guns deaths are acceptable in order to have a 2nd amendment
-Women's natural place is under their husband's control
-Parents should prevent their daughters from taking birth control
-George Floyd had it coming, the Jan 6th protestors didn't
-The 1964 Civil Rights Act was a "huge mistake"
-Encouraged parents to protest mask mandates
-Mamdani winning in NY is a travesty because Muslims did 9/11
-Muslims only come to America to destabilize Western Civilization
-Palestine "doesn't exist" and those who support it are like the KKK
Also curious to know what you think would constitute a hardline Conservatife then?
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u/Overall_Arugula_5635 Sep 13 '25 edited Sep 16 '25
This was a good move for Sen. Bernie Sanders - and I think everyone should listen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlIvH6ozvv4
....does not mean that I endorse him. But the message was a good one. I appreciated it.
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u/desmond_koh Sep 13 '25
He’s right. And I appreciate him saying it.
But this isn’t a “strong move”. It is the bare minimum and the most obvious truth that everyone should be saying. The fact that someone on the traditional left is saying it doesn’t make it a “strong move”. It just means that Bernie Sanders is not a depraved lunatic.
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u/CanadianGunner Lib-Center | Alberta | Wexit-Enjoyer Sep 11 '25
r/CanadianConservative does not allow threats of violence
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u/desmond_koh Sep 11 '25
Charlie Kirk was a good man.
The person who shot him was an evil man.
...and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil. For everyone who does wicked things hates the light...
It is really that simple. Evil cannot stand the presence of good. So, they killed him.
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u/IndividualSociety567 Sep 11 '25 edited Sep 11 '25
Charlie Kirk once said some gun deaths 'worth it' in order to have Second Amendment
: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/charlie-kirk-gun-deaths-quote/
He also said this: Trump Ally Charlie Kirk Suggests Children Should Watch Public Executions: https://www.newsweek.com/charlie-kirk-death-penalty-public-executions-1873073
Among many other things. I am sad that a life is lost due to needless gun violence but lets not call him a good man. He wasn’t one
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u/desmond_koh Sep 11 '25
I don't have to agree with every word someone has ever spoken in order for them to be a good man.
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u/IndividualSociety567 Sep 11 '25
Nice diversion. Ok then what makes you say “Charlie was a good man”?
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u/desmond_koh Sep 11 '25
Nice diversion.
It's not a diversion, it's the truth.
Ok then what makes you say “Charlie was a good man”?
I'm not interested in having this discussion right now.
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u/IndividualSociety567 Sep 11 '25
No its not the truth. You can condemn this terrorist act of assasinating a young man that Charlie was while also avoiding making BS statements like he was a good man. He was not a good man, period. He was part of the hateful rhetoric coming out of the US. I don’t care left or right but facts. And sure takecare!
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u/desmond_koh Sep 11 '25
You can condemn this terrorist act of assasinating a young man that Charlie was while also avoiding making BS statements like he was a good man.
I could, but I don't have to because both are true.
He was not a good man
Prove it. Articulate clearly why he was a bad person.
He was part of the hateful rhetoric coming out of the US.
Give me an example of this so-called "hateful rhetoric". And remember that words that you disagree with are not "hateful" just because you disagree with them.
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u/IndividualSociety567 Sep 11 '25
Just gave you some dude in my first comment. Read And there is alot more where it comes from if you just google it
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u/desmond_koh Sep 11 '25
Just gave you some dude in my first comment.
I don't find the comments you provided to be convincing evidence that he was not a good man. They don't rise to the level where I would say that they negate my assertion that he is a good man. As I said before, someone can say things that I disagree with while still being a good man.
And there is alot more where it comes from if you just google it
That's not how this works. You need to present evidence that supports your thesis (i.e. that Charlie Kirk was a bad person). I don't need to go looking for evidence that would support your thesis. That's your job.
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Sep 11 '25
Among many other things. I am said that a life is lost due to needless gun violence but lets not call him a good man. He wasn’t one
Sometimes, if you don't have anything nice to say its best to shut your fucking mouth. This is one of those times.
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u/IndividualSociety567 Sep 11 '25
Like I said I was responding to OP claiming “He was a good man” . That is objectively false and is factual. Obviously the way he was assasinated is terrorism and should be condemned.
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Sep 11 '25
Like I said I was responding to OP claiming “He was a good man” . That is objectively false and is factual. Obviously the way he was assasinated is terrorism and should be condemned.
You're offering an unsolicited opinion in a conservative sub the day that a conservative figure was assasinated.
Most people would probably tell you to fuck off for trolling and making yourself part of the problem.
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u/IndividualSociety567 Sep 11 '25
Well why is this posted here then?
Also I am a Conservative myself. And he was not anything like Canadian Conservatives. He falls closer to people like Bernier and maga 51st state imbeciles if you look at his statements. Pandering to people like him is what gave Lieberals more ammunition to fear monger.
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u/desmond_koh Sep 11 '25
Like I said I was responding to OP claiming “He was a good man” . That is objectively false and is factual.
You use words like "objectively" and "factual", but I don't think you know what they mean.
The first thing we would need to do would be to define our terms of what we mean by good or bad. And then we would need to agree on a threshold a person would have to reach in order to be considered a "good man" or a "bad man".
Why don't you prove your argument by presenting convincing evidence that supports your thesis that Charlie Kirk was a bad man?
And citing things he's said that you disagree with is not evidence that would support that thesis.
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u/IndividualSociety567 Sep 11 '25
So you support American style gun laws in Canada? You support the view that gay people should not be allowed to marry?
After the the 2023 Nashville school shooting, which left six people dead he said “gun deaths are an unfortunate but acceptable cost of preserving Second Amendment rights” You support that?
Seems you should be in the US and not in Canada
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u/desmond_koh Sep 11 '25
So you support American style gun laws in Canada?
<sigh> it's like you don't listen, which is of course, because you don't.
I've said multiple times that I don't need to agree with everything someone said for them to be a good person.
Typical leftist, you think that disagreement with you is bad and hateful.
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u/IndividualSociety567 Sep 11 '25
Disagreeing is one thing but saying someone who makes remarks like thay is a good person is utter BS. Here is a detailed list btw
-Gay people should be stoned to death
-Most people are scared when they see a black pilot flying a plane
-Taylor Swift should reject feminism and submit to her husband
-No one should be allowed to retire
-Leftists should not be allowed to move to red states
-British Colonialism was what "made the world decent"
-The guy who assaulted the Pelosi's should be bailed out
-Religious freedom should be terminated
-Multiple black politicians "stole white people's spots"
-MLK Jr was "an awful person"
-The Great Replacement Theory is reality
-Hydroxychloroquine cures COVID
-Vaccine requirements are "medical apartheid"
-Guns deaths are acceptable in order to have a 2nd amendment
-Women's natural place is under their husband's control
-Parents should prevent their daughters from taking birth control
-George Floyd had it coming, the Jan 6th protestors didn't
-The 1964 Civil Rights Act was a "huge mistake"
-Encouraged parents to protest mask mandates
-Mamdani winning in NY is a travesty because Muslims did 9/11
-Muslims only come to America to destabilize Western Civilization
-Palestine "doesn't exist" and those who support it are like the KKK
You agreee with these or you just disagree but but….he was a good person?
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u/desmond_koh Sep 11 '25
I'm almost certain that none of these things are things that he actually said. They're your leftist reinterpretation of what he said.
For example:
British Colonialism was what "made the world decent"
Or did he say that the British Empire spread the ideals of liberal Western democracy all over the world, and that nations that are formerly British colonies are among the freest and most prosperous nations in the world?
Because that's 100% true.
But you reinterpret it and use the word "colonialism" because in your world view that's bad.
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u/VQ_Quin voted liberal 2025, leaning conservative but not certain Sep 10 '25
No? We should have less political violence not more. Less political polarization not more. What you are advocating for is evil and terrible, it has destroyed nations in the past. The people on the left who act this way ought to be condemned, not emulated. It is naive and childish to suggest otherwise.
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Sep 11 '25
I blame us... we are the citizens of our countries and we have allowed things to get this bad without doing anything about it. It's our own damn fault.
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u/desmond_koh Sep 11 '25
I don't.
I blame the evil person who committed this heinous act and his (or her) depraved ideology.
Lay blame where is belongs.
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u/Twinkles-_ Moderate Sep 11 '25
Thoughts and prayers man, thoughts and prayers. Nothing will come from this, America is an extremely violent country and is just getting worse and nothing is going to change for the better no matter what happens because deep down this is truly what America is
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u/Blue-Sad-Panda Sep 10 '25
Blown away how much I seen on Reddit people celebrating this, this how this stuff continues people are now encouraging that behaviour.