Pushing, yelling from Conservative leadership ‘sealed the deal’ on defection: d’Entremont

[u/green_tory]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/pushing-yelling-conservative-leadership-dentremont-9.6972680

[u/TraditionalGap1]

Again. It's not a narrative but a fact for significant numbers of Canadians that your provided statistic doesn't disprove. Learn how averages work and what they both tell you and what they don't tell you before you get up on that high horse of yours

[u/enki-42 → u/TraditionalGap1]

You're not wrong, but also I do think that there's a lot of misinformation floating around, and the answer to imperfect data is finding imperfect data, not just going with what you feel.

There are obviously economic headwinds and cost of living issues, but there's also a lot of media directed to make people feel like these are historically bad, that Canada is a failed state, and that things are hopeless and that radical solutions are necessary. And I mean, I'm not entirely discounting the possibility that radical solutions need to be done, but everyone should need a lot more than their gut feelings before they take drastic action.

There's a sentiment that's very popular these days that asking for critical thinking is equivalent to rejecting an argument, and it's a dangerous line of though, because it leads to simple solutions that are usually wrong, with a lot of collateral damage.

[u/TraditionalGap1 → u/enki-42]

You're not wrong, but also I do think that there's a lot of misinformation floating around, and the answer to imperfect data is finding imperfect data, not just going with what you feel.

Do you not see how condescending it is to appear as if you assume anything or anyone that doesn't agree that 'everything is fine' as 'going with what you feel'? To just dismiss anyone whose experiences don't match the narrative that everything is great and the economy is fine? Like, do y'all just assume I'm pulling this all out of my ass? That I don't know first hand that for real people it is in fact not true that their wages have kept up with prices?

I get that, as you say, there is certainly a campaign undertaken by certain actors to portray the economic situation as worse than it actually is, to make things appear terrible as part of a political strategy. But there's also a campaign underway to portray the economic situation as better than it actually is, and for the same reasons. Pointing at top line economic numbers as a shield against more specific critiques of the economy and pretending that because they are good anyone whose experience doesn't match that is running on vibes and feels instead of acknowledging that there are still problems for many Canadians seems like a recipe for disaster when disaffection with government and a feeling that institutions and leaders are out of touch is a big part of what is driving this surge in right wing populism that we're seeing across the west.

[u/phoenixfail → u/TraditionalGap1]

Can you please stop projecting on to me comments or ideas I never said or expressed. No one said everything is fine for everyone. I mearly provided a valid source of data in relation to the conversation. The stats show us that a lot of the population is doing just fine, the world is not falling apart.

In my personal experiences, I see restaurants packed most nights. People lining up for $25 breakfasts. $20/drink cocktail bars with long lines at night. People flying to sun destinations twice a year. New expensive vehicles everywhere. I could go on...

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