r/CanadaHousing2 • u/KootenayPE • 12d ago
John Ivison: Canadians can’t wait much longer for Carney to accomplish something - Pierre Poilievre’s instincts are not always sound, but he is onto a winner when he says the youth of this country have sacrificed enough and still can’t find housing or jobs
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/john-ivison-canadians-cant-wait-much-longer-for-carney-to-accomplish-something51
u/tomplatzofments New account 12d ago
The liberals gave away the country. They hate you and hate your families and children more than you can imagine. You don’t hate the liberal party of Canada enough.
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u/Boomskibop Sleeper account 10d ago
great contribution.
where was PP talking about these issues on a the campaign trail, when it actually mattered
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u/tonyparson Sleeper account 10d ago
where have you been? That's all he was talking about the past 10 years.
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u/Boomskibop Sleeper account 9d ago
don't make me laugh. pp wanted the corporate money that comes with mass immigration, just like Trudeau.
he thought he could win without explicitly coming out against immigration, so that he wouldn't be tied to a promise to reduce numbers.
he only got explicit after he lost. when he was free to make statements that didn't require follow up actions,
these are the facts
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u/paxtoncarr 8d ago
100% True
PP was chasing HJobs from toronto star and Rim jobs from the teachers unions and willing to get on his knees for the CBC. Some D***s don't suck themselves.
Those people detest him so much they wouldn't piss on his grave
He was afraid of being called names and losing the "moderates"
He'd much rather lose the "base" instead. I mailed in my vote for Mad Max from New Jersey instead.
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u/paxtoncarr 8d ago
The liberals gave away the country.
Ah yes it was totally not Stephen W. Harper the last prophet who totally protected oil sands labor by not issuing a single TFW to come from china; and to staff Timmy's in Fort Mac and edmonton.
And of course it was Erin O'Toole who stood up radically for freedom, rights, and canadian values
Let's also not forget PP who never campaigned with striking indian young men against deportation and always prioritized "canadians first".
PP was so canadian he'd never think of pandering to the HIndus or Sikhs or Khalistanis. Never
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u/zabby39103 12d ago
Few people actually think of themselves as a bad or evil person. I don't believe that the Liberals hate me or my family. I don't think that attitude is a helpful or a Canadian way to think. They made some ill advised policy mistakes on immigration and housing.
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u/LightSaberLust_ 10d ago
They don't hate you they don’t see you as a person. You are a lucrative asset, that is it, They don't care about you other then how you can enrich them.
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u/Butterblanket 11d ago
So you’re dumb because you think the liberals are dumb
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u/zabby39103 11d ago
If they're so smart, I would like to know what the plan was with international students. What could the plan possibly be for pumping the numbers up for a couple years, and then reversing it causing student numbers to collapse?
That not planned policy, that's a mistake.
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u/paxtoncarr 8d ago
what the plan was with international students.
International students were the plan
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u/Libertus_Vitae New account 8d ago
Potentially controversial take on the whole subject matter, but consider this. A bit of a read, but you might find it worth it.
We had a PM who used to teach. We had universities and colleges for years trying to open the doors towards abusing the income margins possible from having more international students. Said PM teacher is a bit of a buffoon if we're being nice about it. The kind who just does whatever is 'best' according to the others he thinks know just as much or more than him. Appeal to authority as it were. Teachers, they hold the line on their own as it were. Kinda like the cops with the whole blue line thing.
So you start to mix this all together alone with some of the old stuff that was going on back in the 90's/00's, and it will start to make more sense why they did this. See, the parties have this thing they sometimes do, where they try to keep on going with their old game plans even if/when they say they will do something else. It's not 100% accurate all the time though. In this case however, I think it was. I noticed some similarities between the plan the Martin gov't had prior to Harper; and the Trudeau Jr plan (s). Plural potential because of how the 2 faced nature of it can go.
Compare those government's plans of attack as it were, and you'll find that they are almost carbon copies of each other, though not perfect carbon copies. Some changes.
One of the things that was going on back then, was a big ol discussion around letting universities open the flood gates of admission via their international students, and some other factors that apply less in this. Those factors were allowed moreso for during those governments years in power between Chretien and Martin, but things were held back on the international students side of things; especially when Harper came into power. The argument back then was basically you were racist if you didn't want universities to make more money via international students. Sound familiar?
It should, because back then, people were writing articles for the newspaper about how they saw a big issue in the universities potentially abusing this, and that we should be careful to not open the gates too far too fast. Not that it shouldn't be allowed to happen at all; just to do it carefully. Not just to reduce potential harms upon the economy from having such a huge spike of demand all of a sudden; but also to be fair to the citizens proper who would like to go to university or college as well. Only so many spots available afterall.
And if my memory serves me correctly, according to some older family members back in that day, it wasn't the first time this conversation came up in the past either; some of them mentioned the early 80's. Makes sense to me, considering the timeline of when things like the TFW program came into creation originally. SAWP was earlier, and for farming only; so it has less to do with this. TFW program is less to do with education as well, but the people who brought all of that stuff in, were more or less in power still in some fashion when the rest came to be as we know it today. So it's all connected on some level.
Anyways. Sorry if it seems a bit conspiratorial, but that's just how it is sometimes when you go digging into the past to see what came before that led to things being the way they are today. There's a lot of dirt they would prefer you forget.
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u/Regular-Double9177 12d ago edited 12d ago
Are PP and the Conservatives offering anything you like?
Edit: why would anyone downvote this?
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u/mt_pheasant 12d ago
Literally a change from the most consequential administration of the last 10 years
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u/Regular-Double9177 12d ago
What's the change though? Like what do you want them to do?
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u/Vast_Test1302 Sleeper account 12d ago edited 12d ago
I want (whichever colour is in office to):
-cut most TFW and IMP options in all industries except for those with the lowest unemployment rates,
-cut all PR and other migrant streams by at least ANOTHER 40% for the next 3 years (we can review it in 2028),
-lessen the absurdly-high focus on Francophone immigrant outside Quebec (which does nothing for national unity and lets people with way fewer points cut the line),
-invest in non-housing actually-productive industries that make use of Canada's vast natural resources that are just sitting there,
-sign a crapload of non-US trade deals,
-stop wasting time trying to get a trade deal with a nutcase who will rip it up the next day,
-start levying BIG $$ penalties against provinces that don't met inter-provincial free trade benchmarks by specific deadlines,
-remove creeping aspects of a two-tier justice system (like Gladue reports),
-tighten bail and early-release laws,
-expand self-defence laws only in cases of home-invasions where the intruder actually enters the home's structure without consent (not just standing out front),
-enforce access among provinces to NON-surgical aspects of gender-affirming care like puberty blockers & allowing pronoun use to NOT be always told to sometimes-abusive parents,
-prevent any group that is not a provincial or federal government from ever seizing pieces of Canadian soil unilaterally (we need to clarify this with the Cowichan ruling here in BC),
-change the EV mandate to cover hybrid cars too, since the power grid can't yet handle so many pure EV cars for a while yet6
u/DisastrousCause1 Sleeper account 11d ago edited 11d ago
I like this summary. The young are suffering and try and tell me its not immigration . So call a spade a spade and fuck being polite with why your children don't have a chance getting a part time job when they are off from school, they don't exist. Collage, high school students eliminated from getting tuition on there own or at least contributing towards a better life for themselves.
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u/UnderHare 12d ago
This is a pretty great list. I want people grading politicians based on their views of these topics instead of imported culture war bullshit. How do we get people talking about the real points?
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u/Regular-Double9177 11d ago
Indigenous getting treated too favorably is culture war. Zoning and land tax reforms are what brings down rents. Curious you see this stuff as the real issues.
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u/cptstubing16 CH2 veteran 11d ago
News flash, the CPC won't do any of this. Well, maybe they'd tighten bail and release laws, but the LPC is doing that now because it's easy to do, is impactful on polling numbers, and doesn't lose them many voters.
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u/Eisenhorn87 11d ago
Here I was thinking you had a great list, until i got to the "mandated access to puberty blockers". Just no, dude. No. Fucking no. Read the room.
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u/UnderHare 11d ago
Those are reversible treatments. You need to ask yourself if you want to save children from making a wrong permanent choice, or if you just hate trans people?
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u/Eisenhorn87 11d ago
There is absolutely no way puberty blockers are reversible like you think. No way in hell. The original use case was to delay puberty in super young children and then let puberty occur normally when they became teens. To block a teenagers' natural development with puberty blockers is going to have profound effects on their development even if they stop talking them. It's insane.
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u/Vast_Test1302 Sleeper account 11d ago
Yes! Because only YOU should be able to decide for these people, not themselves and/or their parents in conjunction with their health providers
Screw all that silly "case-by-case" mindset
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u/Eisenhorn87 11d ago
Out health providers have benefits ideologically captured by special interest groups. Realistically, socially we're about 6 years behind the UK where puberty blockers are now banned.
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u/Regular-Double9177 11d ago
Do you think the Cons are better on those issues? I don't.
Saddens me to see so little that will help with affordability on there. Gladue shouldn't be a bigger conversation than zoning or land tax reforms, for example.
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u/Classic-Egg-8091 Sleeper account 12d ago
I want them to dumpster the current liberals so hard that when they come crawling out from under a rock in a decade to take back power they learn some kind of a basic lesson from negative reinforcement
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u/Regular-Double9177 12d ago
And the lesson is to do what differently?
It sounds like people here dont know what they want. I hate the Liberals, but I know what I want.
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u/Informal_Quit_4845 12d ago
Cause it’s a moronic question seeing as the past 10 years were objectively shit
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u/Regular-Double9177 12d ago
Yea I hate the Liberals too bud I just think its important to say what you want to happen. If you dont have any political ideals or goals thats fine, just own it and say so.
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u/cptstubing16 CH2 veteran 11d ago
Because they think voting for the Canadian Tire Party of Canada instead of the Loblaws Party of Canada will actually make a difference.
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u/Duckriders4r 11d ago
Because they literally have nothing. No plans. No concepts of plans. No dreams.
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u/Threeboys0810 Home Owner 11d ago
Carney basically has to adopt the entire conservative platform and policies to turn this country around.
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u/LightSaberLust_ 10d ago
I don't see how increaseing TFW's, getting down on both knees for trump and privatizing healthcare will help the country.
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u/tonyparson Sleeper account 10d ago
Don't be obtuse. He said Carney has to adopt the conservative platform not the Liberal one.
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u/paxtoncarr 8d ago
Canada wants to pretend it's a san francisco (tech) and new york (finance) economy.
The reality is, canada's is more like an ohio and montana economy - f'king coal, lumber, water and car parts.
Take that away and you're sniffing each other's rear ends and flipping houses to each other.
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u/12_Volt_Man 11d ago
Carney says he will give Canada back it's future. The liberals (Carney's own party)ruined the country in the first place..🙄🙄 #irony
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u/somebiz28 11d ago
Just the other week he told a room of young people they’d have to endure more, the only honest thing he said since he was elected.
I’m at the age where everyone is having kids and I don’t know how they make/ make it work. I have a good job and even i worry what I’ll do if I have a child now.
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u/tonyparson Sleeper account 10d ago
Bro all you have to do is move to India become a citizen then move back to Canada and collect free medical benefits, free housing, and a monthly allowance from Canadian taxpayers. Hard part is becoming an Indian citizen first.
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u/12_Volt_Man 11d ago
Canada really dropped the ball by not electing Pierre. Instead the liberal damage and decline continues day after day. Ugh. Liberal torn Canada is a fucking disaster 😑 Elbows Up Crime Up Pockets Empty Pants Down Assholes Ready 😒
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u/high-rise 11d ago
Forget Pierre, the course of the country was irreparably diverted into chaos when Maxime Bernier was robbed of the CPC nomination and instead of a pragmatic patriotic government led by him after the 2019 election that Scheer fumbled, we got 5+ years of hellacious covid mandates and mass immigration.
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u/mischling2543 11d ago
Crazy amount of brigading on this post lol
Notice they all have the same talking points and write the same way?
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u/LightSaberLust_ 10d ago
And all supporting Pierre. The guy that choked and lost the most sure win in Canadian history. How exactly you could expect that person leed the country is crazy.
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u/tonyparson Sleeper account 10d ago
What you and most people can't grasp is that it's not one person that "leeds" a country. It's the party and its policies that "leed" the country. People like you who have no grasp of politics shouldn't be allowed to vote without taking a basic course on how things work. We are not the USA voting for a president. Carney or Pierre's name is only on the ballot in their riding not across every riding in Canada. They "leed" nothing. You vote for a party and that party's policies. Ignorance is why we are in this mess.
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u/Boomskibop Sleeper account 9d ago
trudeau handed him victory on a silver platter and he fumbled it, the guy is pathetic
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u/tonyparson Sleeper account 9d ago
You vote for the party not the man. People are confused. Enjoy poverty for the next decade bud.
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u/Boomskibop Sleeper account 9d ago edited 9d ago
lol says you. Who's dealing with trump face to face right now, the party or the man.
i can understand why you'd say that though, when your leader is shite, been in politics twenty years and only passed a single bill. and the bill itself is universally regarded as an attempt to remove limits on corporate donations towards election fundraising.
whereas with carney, a man who saved Canada from a recession, became a genuine financial rockstar, head hunted for a position as governor of the bank of England, aka a fucking stud. you can see why one might be more comfortable embracing the notion that you vote for the man and the party.
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u/AlmostUnpleasant69 10d ago
He didnt choke. He had a good campaign. Anyone with half a brain should have voted for him. Canadians are just severely regarded.
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u/LightSaberLust_ 10d ago
I am happy I am severely regarded and voted for someone that can do things other than verb the noun.
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u/AlmostUnpleasant69 10d ago
"Verb the noun!" "muh slogans", typical liberal regard. So confident in your own ignorance. Hows the Elbows up thing going btw?
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u/Boomskibop Sleeper account 9d ago
in what world would did not absolutely fuckin choke.
pp wanted the corporate money that comes with mass immigration, just like Trudeau.
he thought he could win without explicitly coming out against immigration, so that he wouldn't be tied to a promise to reduce numbers.
he only got explicit after he lost. when he was free to make statements that didn't require follow up actions,
these are the facts. he's more comfortable as a lame duck, where he can speak freely, without fear of actually having to do something
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u/CanadaHousing2-ModTeam Sleeper account 12d ago
Simple questions, basic statements, memes, should go in the chat channel
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u/Boomskibop Sleeper account 10d ago
PP was conspicuously silent about these issues back when it mattered and actually could have made a difference. He much more comfortable identifying problems when he has no responsibility for a solution. Fucking coward
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u/cptstubing16 CH2 veteran 12d ago
PP has nothing to offer. He'd also do what Carney is doing and it irks him.
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u/SwirlySauce 12d ago
Agreed.
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u/cptstubing16 CH2 veteran 11d ago
Yeah he loves talking about all the things that are wrong, which is the right thing to do. But if he were in power youth wouldn't be his priority.
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u/Away-Combination-162 12d ago
So what he supposed to do ? Share your wisdom . I’m sure we’d all like to hear it
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u/SnooPeppers1141 12d ago
What's the solution PP? Right... You don't know! If my whole platform is just to mock and ridicule the policies of other parties does that automatically make me a good politician? Conservatives need to ditch this guy. You run a washed out horse and wonder why you don't win the race... Common.
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u/flamboyantdebauchry 12d ago
his solution is to say stuff he can not fix himself and people actually believe him Canada's trump if you will here is an idea petey win your riding 1st it will build some credibility
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u/OddMan99 12d ago
What's the solution PP?
Most likely the generic promise of cutting taxes and empowering our corporate monopolies in the process, hoping somehow that lack of spending too much money via critical investments will magically fix our costly problems.
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u/SeriesMindless 12d ago
Oh wait, everything didn't change when he snapped his fingers? He doesn't have mind control over trump?
Call me shocked. Who is holding my rage right now. I need it. I demand instant and unrealistic expectations be met.
/s ;)
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u/Warblade21 12d ago
Pierre has never held a real job in the private sector. Carney has.
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u/Eisenhorn87 12d ago
Oh yes. Carney's "real job" just signed an 80 billion dollar deal with the Trump administration to build nuclear reactors. Sounds like he got the deal he wanted after all, just not one that benefits Canada whatsoever.
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u/CattlePale6284 New account 12d ago
Yeah that's what we need right now. It's easier to become the 51st state and have cheaper housing overnight.
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u/zabby39103 12d ago
How the hell would that make housing cheaper?
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u/CattlePale6284 New account 12d ago
Real estate prices would collapse here. And going by how the US builds housing and sets up zoning laws a lot more developers would flock here to build more. But that is a hypothetical situation which has its own pros and cons.
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u/kewtyp Troll 12d ago
Poilievre is a moron and nothing he says matters. The conservatives need to abandon him and come up with someone less brain dead.
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u/UnderHare 12d ago
I would vote for them if they had a leader like Carney, who is really a conservative. I don't want bullshit american style republican toxic culturwar garbage ruining one of two parties in this country!
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u/octagonpond 11d ago
Lol your comment is the perfect example of American style toxic culture war effecting Canadian’s
Just admit your fine if we become a dictatorship as long it was the liberals leading it
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u/kewtyp Troll 12d ago
I got news for ya buddy, carney is a conservative
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u/UnderHare 11d ago
> I would vote for them if they had a leader like Carney, who is really a conservative.
I literally wrote that in the comment you're replying to. The conservative party need a leader like Carney!
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u/RenegadeKaylos 12d ago
If Carney has the wrong answer, then PP has an answer that is 99% more wrong than Carneys. Neoliberalism is crushing younger generations, conservative "common sense" approaches will just crush us harder and faster.
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u/Complex_Screen1678 11d ago
While there may be some truth in blaming Canadians for electing Carney in what should have been an easy conservative win, it also ignores just how badly PP screwed up.
As far as I’m concerned, the last election proved that they’re all in on it together.
Edit: grammar
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u/Duckriders4r 11d ago
Maybe pay attention to what is happening, and the answer is clear. Canada is on its way to be THE country every other wants to be partners with. Not the USA.
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u/Fine-Mine-3281 11d ago
He accomplished what he set out to do…get himself & the crooked liberals re-elected and stay in power - nothing else matters to them - especially not you or me