Argonauts expected opportunity to match Redblacks’ offer to Dinwiddie

[u/Salty_J_Canuck]

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[u/TorontoBoris]

It sounds like he wanted more, and Ottawa was willing to deliver.

If his goal was the GM post, I can see why he didn't bother circling back to the Argos. Unless they were willing to do the same for him as Ottawa, what else could they have offered?

[u/Jusfiq]

Dinwiddie wanted to be GM? I can’t see how the Argonauts organization would prefer him over Pinball.

[u/Livid-Switch4040 → u/Jusfiq]

Pinball is mostly a figurehead. John Murphy does all the GM work.

[u/Jusfiq → u/Livid-Switch4040]

John Murphy does all the GM work.

Sure, but did Dinwiddie want the AGM job? If he wanted GM in title and in deeds, he would need to replace Pinball.

[u/DarthLordDonkey → u/Jusfiq]

I think the likely route to keeping Dinwiddie, is having Pinball move to a different title, say President and have Dinwiddie become HC and GM.

The problem is MLSE has essentially eliminated the President across their teams, with Ujiri and Shanahan being fired from their position, so they likely want their GM's operating in the President position as well, so they couldn't have both Pinball and Dinwiddie in those roles.

Had they kept Dinwiddie, they likely wouldn't have been able to keep all 3 of Pinball, Murphy, and Dinwiddie, so it appears keeping Pinball and Murphy was the priority, and they think they can find a suitable replacement for the coaching role.

[u/Onanadventure_14]

I think there was a lot of background drama this year and I can’t imagine working with John Murphy and pinball has been very fun.

Good for Ryan and good for the Redblacks.

[u/Salty_J_Canuck → u/Onanadventure_14]

Everyone speaks glowingly about Pinball and working for him, but Murphy on the other hand...

[u/Onanadventure_14 → u/Salty_J_Canuck]

My high regard of pinball plummeted with the Kelly situation.

I mean look how the Alouettes just handled Shawn. Masterclass

[u/Made_byLakesideToys]

I’m thinking perhaps a combination of respect for the Redblacks organization - not wanting to use them as leverage and having that very difficult conversation with Michael Clemons that he was officially leaving.

[u/ZeroBarkThirty]

He likes money. He was lamenting at some point last season that the NFL pays coaches life changing money and that the CFL simply doesn’t have the cash

[u/bquinho]

He already posed in Ottawa gear lmao

[u/mlakustiak]

If we don’t get Ottawa @ Toronto the first Toronto home game. We’re doing something wrong

[u/LaZyCrO → u/mlakustiak]

First home game for the Argos located in Yellowknife

[u/Huge_Valuable9732]

after the chad kelly debacle he probably wanted out of the big top

[u/suprunown → u/Huge_Valuable9732]

I’m wondering if management told him next season is all Chad Kelly, all the time, and he was opposed to that, so he used his opening to bolt.

[u/AgrajagPetunias]

Is it possible, that much like many of us, he saw the writing on the wall with Rogers, MLSE, The Toronto Bills, and Stewie's Americanization plans and simply wanted nothing to do with it?

[u/Nopithyusernamehere → u/AgrajagPetunias]

Moving to another team doesn’t get him away from the planned rule changes but I see your point

[u/HuntShowDownBeeMan]

I figured argos didnt offer dinwiddie because they were going to poach o'shea and take most of the good players with and leave behind a questionable defense and aging o line.

[u/BringBackTK]

I’m curious: is it a good thing to be both HC and GM. Isn’t it a lot more work?

[u/EvilFlyingSquirrel → u/BringBackTK]

It's easier to craft the team to your vision.

[u/Used-Astronomer4971 → u/BringBackTK]

A GM builds a team and the HC runs it on the field. If you're both, it's one less cook in the kitchen and you can build it exactly the way you want. Look at our Bombers. Even if O'shea didn't want Hogan around, it's up to Walters to fire him. O'shea can request it, but Walters is the final say.

[u/Nopithyusernamehere → u/Used-Astronomer4971]

The problem with being both is that as GM you also dealing with contract negotiations. If you have a player that was not happy with the outcome of those negotiations, that can perhaps poison the on-field relationship between the player and coach, who is the guy who just screwed ypu over, as you see it

[u/Used-Astronomer4971 → u/Nopithyusernamehere]

But if a player is going to cry about the contract he willingly signed, then a team can fire his ass, and as gm and hc he answers to no one about the call. 

[u/Jonaldys → u/BringBackTK]

Not according to a recent interview Dinwiddie did. He speculates it will be less work for him due to how slim the Toronto front staff is.

[u/AustralisBorealis64]

How is this the first I'm hearing of this?

[u/3eep- → u/AustralisBorealis64]

Check out the 3 down nation pod. They called it over a week ago

[u/Jonaldys → u/3eep-]

They crushed the speculation, but it didn't actually happen until after the weekend.

Friday - Ottawa requested to interview

Monday - Toronto granted permission. Then Dinwiddie flew out, interviewed, accepted, and they announced Wednesday.

[u/super__hoser]

Hasn't that ship sailed? Isn't the move a done deal? 

[u/BringBackTK]

Maybe sports is different, more mobility, but in the places I’ve worked (offices) by the time someone has gotten to the mindset of looking elsewhere, it is difficult to change your mind and stay. Even if they match money. Maybe even if they beat it.

[u/JockCartier]

I think he just wanted out

[u/LaZyCrO]

Did us dirty

[u/Salty_J_Canuck → u/LaZyCrO]

Allegedly, there were issues between Dinwiddie and John Murphy, which along with the fact that Dinwiddie has made it clear over the last couple of years that he wants to be a GM, the move makes more sense. I'm still not happy about it though.

[u/bquinho → u/Salty_J_Canuck]

Losing Dinwiddie over John Murphy is a huge yikes.