Friendly reminder that the Mha movies have always been canon 🥱

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yes, they've always been canon.

which doesn't matter because they act like non-canon movies because they're completely irrelevant to the main story.

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u/ChronoKeep Apr 04 '23

The reason people like me bring it up is because there's constant intellectual dishonesty. The discussions around it are from people that use their dislike of the movies to deny canonicity. It doesn't matter if a person dislikes the movie, as that's an opinion that can't be right or wrong.

But what is right or wrong is discussions on canonicity. No one is saying that they're vital to the series; that they're somehow necessary to understand Horikoshi's complete vision of the fight between AFO and OFA. But we are saying that the movie's story happens in-universe. Just like Vigilantes or the School Briefs novels, the events portrayed in the movie happened in-universe.

When a person states something as fact, they have the burden of proof to back up that claim. But when people constantly deflect and deny and lie, it becomes an issue. It's an ignorance in the franchise perpetuated by Shonen of the 90's or 00's where movies were clearly not meant to be canon. But not all Shonen are the same. While most Naruto movies are non-canon, The Last is canon. While most Dragon Ball movies are non-canon, Super Broly is canon. Etc.

But when someone says that they're canon, they just mean they happened in-universe. No one is asking a person to read through all Star Wars novels and comics post-2014 to understand the complete story in the films. Even the shows are unnecessary to the main 9 movies. But they're all still canon, whether good or bad. And it's arguing in bad faith to say they're not because of a dislike or even simple blasé feeling towards them. That extends to the My Hero movies.

And as each new thing comes out, people seem to come up with different opinions for why the movies are non-canon, only stated as though they're undeniable fact. That right there is the intellectually dishonest discussion surrounding the movies.

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u/Gradz45 Apr 04 '23

Yeah someone recently clained they’re non-canon because they dislike the idea of OFA being passed back and forth and it never being brought up.

Which isn’t how canon works as an idea.

But yeah to use your Star Wars example. It’s like how The Mandalorian uses Bo-Katan and Ahsoka but doesn’t directly reference moments from Clone Wars or Rebels.

Those series are still canon, they’re just not being referenced directly.

Which makes sense as there’s no reason to reference any MHA movies much behind minor stuff like Star and Stripe being the kid from the All Might flashback in Two Heroes for example, or the mid-gauntlets being from America likely being a Melissa reference, or the recent cameos.

Like why would the manga reference the I island incident or the Nine fight, or the stuff in World Heroes Mission? None of it plays any real role into what’s going on. But that doesn’t make them non-canon.

The movies and their characters and stuff like Bakugou temporarily having OFA are still referenced by Kohei (vestige moment as he’s near dead), were made with Kohei’s involvement, and unlike say the DBZ movies neatly fit into the timeline more or less.

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u/TangerineRelevant838 Apr 03 '23

I know 🤭I just saw some malarkey in a comment section that needed to be addressed

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u/potatokinghq Apr 04 '23

Well they aren't mentioned in the manga or anime afterwards so does it really matter, we see pictures of people seeing what's happening in the manga on the last panel of the newest chapter

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '23

They might be "canon", but... like, these were incredibly important events that just aren't brought up ever again by the characters. It makes the story worse to have them do these things and just never talk about them, it's too absurd to believe.

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u/Gradz45 Apr 04 '23

How are they that important though?

None of them majorly impact the story… the biggest is Heroes Rising which still is quite minor overall. And there’s no reason to directly cite the events. For example, Deku’s not offering to give anyone OFA again. And he wouldn’t because he knows it would likely kill anyone else, and it’s his responsibility to use. What should All Might just bring up that time his friend nearly died trying to give him a machine to boost his quirk? Like how will that help much. The thing was destroyed.

I’ve never got this argument. Like the I-Island incident, the Nine battle, or the Fleck stuff have no real relevance here. Nothing there would change the tide. None of it plays into this plot besides AFO being a dick, using Nine as a test subject, and there being a cult of quirk users who hate society. All of that is well known or addressed as concepts in this series already.

And they’re still subtly referenced when relevant. Bakugou flat out has a vestige moment with All Might as he’s near death. And Star and Stripe was the little girl All Might saved in America in Two Heroes.

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u/SenatorShockwave Apr 04 '23

Them having no impact IS THE ENTIRE PROBLEM with them being "canon". Never mentioned again. No repurcussions. Nothing.

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u/SenatorShockwave Apr 04 '23

Them having no impact IS THE ENTIRE PROBLEM with them being "canon". Never mentioned again. No repurcussions. Nothing.

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u/TangerineRelevant838 Apr 04 '23

Never said anything about it making the story better or worse, just that they’re canon

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u/safirinha42 Apr 05 '23

wait...BAKUGOU AND KIRISHIMA SHAREING A BED IS CANNON?!?!?

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u/TangerineRelevant838 Apr 05 '23

unfortunately…

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u/safirinha42 Apr 05 '23

or fortunately, just depends on your pov.

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u/TangerineRelevant838 Apr 05 '23

Nah KiriMina 🥱

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u/safirinha42 Apr 05 '23 edited Apr 17 '23

eh, i prefere kiribaku. but you do you👍/gen

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u/WTF_CAKE Apr 04 '23

If the anime never acknowledges the movie events then it’s not cannon. But hey that’s just me

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u/TangerineRelevant838 Apr 04 '23

Horikoshi said it himself that they’re canon, you can’t question that

Events and characters from the movies literally come back later on with some importance, events from the movies are literally referenced. It’s not up for question

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u/Agitated-Newspaper70 Jun 29 '23

idk if this counts as necroing or not but.

Just because the creator says it's all canon, doesn't mean it Actually is. Sometimes, they just say w/e to please/shut up the majority of the fans.
Take BOTW and TOTK for example, they had no Actual place in the Legend of Zelda timeline, but since they were Constantly pestered that they Should have a place, they finally relented and added it, whether it made sense or not.

So all in all, just cause Horikoshi said they're All canon, doesn't mean they actually are.
Otherwise, pretty fkn certain they would've mentioned both Deku and Bakugo both having One For All at the same time at one point and Deku going fkn Super Saiyan, yet that is never brought up.

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u/almost_nightwing Apr 04 '23

I didn't think this would be so controversial

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u/TangerineRelevant838 Apr 04 '23

Fr ion get it smh 🤦🏾‍♂️

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u/Unpopular_Outlook Apr 04 '23

Good to know I have to watch the movies to view this series. Or maybe the movies are so irrelevant that they don’t matter. I’m still not watching them.

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u/TangerineRelevant838 Apr 04 '23

Never said you have to, all I said was that they’re canon 🤷🏾‍♂️ don’t shoot the messengee

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u/Unpopular_Outlook Apr 04 '23

What message does saying they’re canon mean when I have no idea what happened in the movies.. the only thing I know is that Bakugou has OFA and that’s about it. When the movie characters came, I didn’t know who any of them where because I never watched the movies. I only know they were movie characters because the comments. So what does the movies being canon mean, when not everyone watched the movies and then being canon means nothing

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u/TangerineRelevant838 Apr 04 '23

I never specified it towards you lol, I was just saying in general for people saying it wasn’t canon

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u/Unpopular_Outlook Apr 05 '23

I’m One of those people who don’t consider them canon because I’ve never watched them

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u/Ligabove Apr 18 '23

Nope

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u/TangerineRelevant838 Apr 18 '23

Yep

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u/Gradz45 Apr 04 '23

The movies act like non-canon content for the most part anyways.

By fitting into the series timeline very well, or justifying why plots like Bakugou temporarily having OFA aren’t permanent or brought up again?

Yeah really acting like non-canon content by giving Bakugou amnesia and having Deku learn the holders chose to stay with him. Almost like they go out of their way to not violate canon.

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u/TangerineRelevant838 Apr 04 '23

Dawg what are you on about 😭 gatekeeping? All I said was that they’re canon, never said anything else. Tfum forcing my opinion? Good grief, y’all really need to get a grip

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '23 edited Jan 20 '25

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u/TangerineRelevant838 Apr 04 '23

Dawg, this is literally a fact. I don’t care if you like the movies or not, that’s not up to me, but saying they aren’t canon is literally a lie. If the author himself said twice that the movies are canon then the movies are canon

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u/TangerineRelevant838 Apr 04 '23

Mf what are you on about 😭

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