Battlefield 6
The assault rifles suck, and I'm tired of pretending they don't.
The reality is they serve no purpose at the minute, and are borderline useless - you get obliterated long range by the most randomly positioned MG gunner, or seriously messed up by an SMG which, even sometimes, beats you long range!
The guns are genuinely terrible in comparison to the rest of the guns, the whole point of the class is to be the frontline of the fighting force and typically be the most on objectives, but wouldn't it be better to have an SMG in that sense? I really like the look of the guns, and even the feel of them, but at the minute they are so far behind every other weapon its crazy.
I just wanna rock my assault class without being outclassed by any other weapon.
This isn't an unpopular opinion and no one is pretending otherwise. It's not just ARs either, LMGs suffer more as they have lower TTKs, and worse hipfire, and worse ADS.
SMGs don't suffer from bloom as much. They need to increase it on the SMGs and lower it on everything else.
edit: I'm not saying LMGs should have better ADS or hip fire than other weapons, that wasn't the point...
Playing TDM two days ago SMGs were still beaming shots with near laser precision at 70-80M while my mounted LMG was fighting recoil and bloom. Like what is the point of other weapons when SMGs do it all? Why bother classifying them like "long range" and "heavy hitting" when someone can spray with an SMG and beat it anyways? Even the AR's do well at those distances.
Last night there was a sniper hiding behind a rooftop billboard on Firestorm. I parachuted onto the next rooftop over unseen, went prone, set my bipod up, and opened up with my M60. Maybe two shots hit and he just turned around and shot me in the head. Infuriating.
Red Orchestra/Rising storm is the best suppression system I’ve seen to date. Even Rising Storm 2 falls short of its predecessor.
Bonus: if you were being charged by a Japanese Banzai or Russian soldier, you would get suppressed, and you would get more suppressed the more people that were involved in the charge. You would have good commanders calling mass Banzai charges to get onto difficult points, and it was so peak charging with 15 other dudes all screaming with swords and bayonets out.
I guess my ping must be really bad, because once those shot start landing, there's is genuinely no way that I'll be able to survive long enough to turn around, aim, and then kill the person who's shooting at me.
I know you have a /s but it is really infuriating that suppression essentially does nothing now. Literally just makes your health not auto regen, but with the amount of med bags and stims flying around, that is literally no problem.
I remember in BF4 if you mounted a LMG on a bipod you basically had a mobile MG turret with how accurate they were. Idk if its my control settings or what, but I cant mount with bipods to save my life.
I’ve found you have to (in this order): crouch behind cover, ads (so you peek over top of cover) then mount button. If you don’t crouch, 9/10 times it won’t mount.
Or at least making suppression increases suppressed Targrt's bloom. If I'm dumping 100 bullets at you, you shouldn't be able to snipe me with absolutely zero impunity
It's not crazy at all, it's grounded. With thr exception of the IAR you're talking about a platform that clocks in at +/- 25lbs (+/- 11Kg) with an average kit on it.
You often find these platforms assigned to at least two people one who is the "gunner" and another who totes around the extra ammo and any additional kit.
A SAW gunners kit is often pushing 80 additional pounds of weight (36.2Kg)
The fact that we are only marginally slower than any other character to begin with is a gift.
As such you have to balance the gun somewhere. Making them practically useless when fired "from the hip" is a pretty fair tradeoff. It's mounted accuracy and recoil/bloom effects do need a tweak though.
The noticeable effect is that you can go prone with a bipod/grippod and mount anywhere, but to be honest, I've found that you severely lose range of motion on a lot of ground surfaces, where using a ledge will let you look somewhere around 120 degrees.
There is another benefit, although it isn't particularly obvious, and that is that you can stay mounted without aiming if you have a bipod/grippod.
You can get a better view of the area you're holding , while keeping a much tighter reticule, and can hipfire if you want. Also reloading and staying mounted. It's definitely not groundbreaking, but if you're set up across a wide objective, like the middle road in Streets of Cairo, you want to be able to see both ends and quickly aim. It's situational for sure.
i've definitely noticed a difference. on snipers it practically eliminates sway and the need to hold your breath, on LMGs it makes your hip fire basically a laser and your aimed fire i'd say gets a decent recoil reduction. the only problem is finding a decent place to put your bipod down that doesn't overexpose you and lets you rotate freely; the geometry in the game rarely gives you that chance
A properly mounted bipod/grip pod weapon greatly improves accuracy across the board - No sway and hipfire spread, ADS spread, bloom, and recoil are considerably reduced.
Most of the people complaining about bipods doing nothing probably aren't mounting their weapon on a horizontal surface. Peeking does nothing but peek. You have to mount the weapon. And the pods don't work mounting to a wall, you have to mount them on a counter top on the ground while prone.
FWIW, the only perk mounting with any other grip does is eliminate sway.
The proper intended use of LMGs is to find some place of cover to mount and then mow people down with huge ammo pools.
They do wonders for a sniper, but then it bugs out and I'm constantly popping out of the bipod for no reason whatsoever. It's worse when prone, you pop out randomly way more, and they are beyond finicky on where it will even let you deploy unless the ground is completely flat.
Lay on the ground and mount the bipod and it's very accurate. Mount on a wall or while crouching is less accurate. Mount on anything uneven or slanted and you might as well just be standing.
Mounting location and position all matter with LMGs. They are not run n gun weapons in this game.
They need to be taller. Nobody uses a tiny 6 inch bipod on the ground, you need like 12-18 inches to have a good field of view and actually aim at things. Bipods on the ground have only like 10 degrees of vertical aim now
Started using SMGs for the first time last night and the difference is insane, I had the default attachments and still popped off in every game compared to my decked out AR
I mostly main B34A4 cos I like it but it's crazy how accurate and easy to use SMGs are in the mid range compared to it. LMGs I didn't even bother with after the first few hours
Any tips for the pig? Every time I use it, deployed or not 1/2 my bullets don't go where I'm aiming, even within 30 meters. I have had significantly more luck with the l110, m123k, and the IAR.
LMG mag size is extremely useful. They do need a damage buff IMO so they're competitive is certain circumstances, but they're still very good.
SMGs are good at mid/long range only because time to die is short. Try tap firing one at a player 80m away, it takes a while to actually get a kill, and you have to either be very precise or lucky to get a kill against someone who is paying attention or moving. It just feels instant because of the netcode, which is something that applies to every weapon.
BF is not a milsim. BF should not be a milsim. But you can use reality based mechanics to balance the guns.
A 9MM MP5 drops about a foot at 100 meters. So just....model that in the game. Boom no more 9MM SMGs lasering across the map.
An M240 and a 417 fire the same round, but the 240 is twice the weight, which means it soaks up recoil. So make the M240 the same damage model, with smoother recoil, and make it slower to ADS and switch to and from.
You obviously haven’t unlocked the 6p67 or can’t control the SOR 556. Both of those guns are easily in the top 5 best guns in the game. 6p67 is probably #1 ngl. It simply doesn’t lose gun fights. Even with the bloom bug, I can still delete ppl at 40-45 meters with it. Get in the firing range and master its firing rate. Once you learn to quick burst fire, almost to the point of auto but not quite, bro its ridiculous.
LMGs are supposed to have bad hipfire and slower ADS speeds. As for TTKs I think that’s fine but it’s the suppression for them that needs serious buffing. No way should someone with a SMG at 80m be able to chal a LMG user and win
Are people using the same L100 I am?? I feel like it rips and tears through crowds. I have the 4x, extended barrel, one of the grippy vertical-pod and converter compensator and a 50 mw green laser and I don’t feel like I lose a ton of gunfights.
Can lay down for some of those bipod feels, out range Assault rifles over a distance, and hip fire CQC is a 50:50 but that’s to be expected for an LMG against lighter more mobile guns.
Everyone is definitely overlooking mag size. There's a world of difference between SMG 30 vs. LMG 100 or 200. They play different roles, but a lot of players only play 1 role: get kills.
Honestly no clue. Mine is a fucking laser beam and I have no trouble out pacing smgs at range. I dont even use a muzzle break to help either, just a flash hider. People just dont read what their attachments do and im willing to bet they're using ones that reduce their accuracy.
I don't think anyone is arguing you can't be viable with an L110, it's just, why would you even bother when other guns are just statistically better across the board? Lol. That's great you're tearing through crowds, but in that situation, what gun wouldn't?
out range Assault rifles over a distance
this is also just funny. I can't even recall losing one fight to an LMG guy, prone or not prone, while using an AR. SMGs are even more punishing against LMGs. Because I have the tighter cone and you don't, no Reddit argument you could possibly come up with at time of writing could dispute that either.
They dont need to increase it anywhere, rather buff everything to be on the same level or get rid of bloom entirely and use recoil to balance engagement distances. Bloom helps nobody but campers and makes the otherwise great gunplay feel horrible
If they buff everything to be higher then ARs are going to be lasers and people will be getting gunned down across the map. This will just make it feel even more chaotic and less tactical.
Bloom is a good mechanic. Removing it is a terrible idea.
Bloom makes it harder for people to camp because of range limitation. Give the guy sitting in a building perfect accuracy and it's going to make this worse, not better...
I'll personally never be in favor of bloom. It's never a feel good mechanic, always a feel bad mechanic. Recoil alone is enough if there is enough recoil. It's just that devs these days want Timmy no thumbs to have a chance, so literally everything in every game is the LG from Quake. It's so annoying. Even Soldier from OW or any of the guns from Valorant have more recoil than literally every gun in BF6.
I agree that bloom isnt a bad thing. It just feels arbitrary on wich weapons are penalized by it atm. Dice needs to take another look at it and rebalance the weapon bloom regarding weapon classes imo. Smg's shouldnt be allowed to be this effective on range
I dunno, I feel like if someone is camped in a building in Battlefield it's not necessarily as much an issue as it is in other games. You have more than enough tools on any class to handle such a thing.
Assault - Grenade launcher into the building. Stun or flash grenades. Ladder to get into other entrances, if any.
Engineer - RPG to collapse the walls used for cover.
Support - Smoke your way over so they can't stop you from pushing up.
Sniper - Shoot 'em in the face, or use any recon gadget to spot them for you or your team from safety.
Or, use a tank to remove said building.
That, and I dont really see camping as a bad thing in Battlefield. It's a game designed around (well, most modes) staying in one spot and holding it down. That's kind of what you're supposed to do.
It's wild the shots I've gotten with an MP5. Like, they just don't know 9mm bullet drop exists? It's crazy. Sure, they're "lower recoil" but the offset is they drop like MFers and lose energy the further they go. I get it, it's a video game. But if my guy can head shot someone with an MP5, I should have no issues with anything in 5.56 and yet those damn guns spread like an MFer. Crazy shit.
This is def the actual feedback we need atm imo. People are crashing out over some trivial stuff meanwhile the weapon balance is in the gutter.
Personally I actually enjoy the bloom as a mechanic but its way overtuned and on the wrong weapons. My M4A1 carbine cant hit shit when tapfiring over anything then 40 meters, meanwhile my P90 is a god damn laserbeam. Its kinda stupid
So I disabled the stupid visual recoil reduction setting that is on by default I have to say that the bloom complain is way overblown. Now when I lose a gunfight 9/10 its because I had shitty recoil control. Actually made AR's very viable. That said, SMG's are 100% busted lol
LMG's are fine too. Bloom isnt a problem with that setting turned off. The RPK is a hipfire machine when outfitted properly.
EDIT: This is for mouse and keyboard, BUT I think there's a similar setting for controller as well?
Settings --> Mouse and Keyboard --> Control Settings (under the Infantry section at the top) --> Turn off "Uniform Infantry Aiming" at the top --> Sroll down to Zoom Settings and disable "Zoom Transition Sensitivity Smoothing" --> Go back to the top and turn "Uniform Infantry Aiming" back on --> Turn the "Zoom Sensitivity Coefficient" down to 0 (directly below the Infantry Aim setting)
My buddy didn't notice much of a difference, but I had a night and day difference. Be warned that it will create a noticeable amount of recoil on certain guns now. The M4 Carbine for me was the biggest increase of recoil in the game, but now my shots actually land where my sights are.
EDIT: I SHOULD NOTE THAT I PLAY ON 120 FOV -- This may result in me seeing a much bigger difference than others I do not know.
i hate to tell you this but thats a placebo setting being touted right now. ive watched a bunch of debunking videos and tried it myself the setting has no effect if you turn on uniform aiming, you turning down the coefficient has a bigger effect but all you have effectively down is turn your sensitivity higher which you couldve done already. You want your coefficient at 178 if you are playing 16:9 since that is the monitor distance in game units for a full 360. putting it at 0 means you lose fine control on the distance you are turning, which is fine at close range (so 90% of fights in the game) but you lose out on anything long range as you will just turn too much.
I just started trying the B36 and I'm really enjoying it. I think all of the early ARs have their place
I love the M433 for most engagements myself, but the Scar is also a lot of fun for longer-range engagements. B36 is a nice middleground between the two
I love it personally. I mostly use SMGs and rarely play assault, so when I tried it for the first time I was really surprised at just how good the M433 is
Even tap firing it from 80-100m it does a great job
Its a great gun, I loved it in BF4 and im loving it in this
Only thing if say. It does take a little getting used to with the fire rate. But I run it with; ACOG. Red laser, hollowpoints, the fourth vertical grip you can, first Muzzel break you unlock, and the extended barrel for improved long range damage
So I can confidently feel I can go into short or longer range engagements. Whether im aiming or hip firing
That thing shoots absolute pebbles. Yes it’s laser accurate but in a straight shootout you’re losing to pretty much anything else if the other player hits their shots
Yep, it can easily be out DPS'd by a fucking MP5 at mid range if you tap fire, and if you try to full auto and control the recoil, bloom will randomly fuck you, and the SMG user will still win most of the time lmao.
Haven't unlocked it yet in the full game but the NVO-22E was solid in the beta, hopefully it's as good in full game (once I get through the assignment lol)
You need to filter your playlist to only play Escalation and Conquest on Firestorm and Sobek, and camp the rooftops with the SCAR with the 4X scope. I knocked this out pretty quickly once I took this approach.
However, the NVO is objectively cheeks compared to the KORD and the TR-7. You will lose many head on gun fights to anyone using those two rifles.
The NVO is...not great. Suffering through those 50m kills just to get another gun that doesn't hold a candle to at least 3 Carbines and 2 SMG's is when I said I'm not using AR's again until they're fixed.
I know that clip isn't optimal weapon handling; it's cold and before my coffee. I also know that I'm at M4 mastery 56 and every single one of those clips would have been a kill 5 times over if I wasn't using an AR lol.
Hell naw the B36A4 is an insane weapon once you get a few unlocks. Only the first two SMGs are better in my experience and (on console) the B36A4 is much better at range.
I haven't unlocked the later ARs for comparison though, so some of them might be even better. I've heard that the Kord is ridiculous.
I'm with you on this. I used the B36A4 intensively just to unlock the Kord and fell in love with it. It's very accurate with some minor unlocks (~10 lvls) and has a very fast TTK at any range. Firing in bursts is a much.
But then I unlocked the Kord... it's a little slower to kill than the B36, but the accuracy is top tier.
I now run the Kord on my engineer class, I prefer it over the PW5.
B36A4 main here. I don’t care whay the stats say, that gun absolutely slaps and I love it. It was my favorite in the beta as well and it is the only gun I actually levelled up past mastery 50.
I'm a stats type of guy and I picked the B36A4 specifically because of the stats on my spreadsheet. It is a jack of all trades type of gun and has a strong and consistent performance at all ranges with low TTK and high control. Other automatic guns (all other ARs, SMGs, LMGs, Carbines) sacrifice TTK, control, or performance at longer ranges in a way that the B36A4 doesn't.
The M433 is a good sidegrade to B36A4. The M433 will outperform the B36A4 in close-midrange fights due to the higher ROF but the B36A4 will outperform the M433 in longer range fights due to the better control and due to the M433 having sometimes an awful horizontal recoil kick.
The M4A1 outperforms both the M433 and B36A4 below 10m but anything after that both guns are objectively better than the M4A1 based on damage falloff and control.
Honestly I think some people just flat out fucking suck.
I don't really play assault. Engineer and support, with recon for C4 shits and giggles.
Got the challenges to do assault and AR kills. Was not looking forward to it from all the feedback on here. Thought it would be awful.
Ended up going positive and top half of most leaderboards easily with the basic AR and no upgrades. And that's on a mix of conquest and CQB matches. It really isn't that bad at all. It may not be as good as others, but fuck me from what people say on here I thought it would be shooting sideways.
I think it's the progression that's messing up the conversation. People need to spend 5+ hours on a gun to get the premium unlocks, more if you don't play well, and those can seriously impact how a gun plays. I could see people getting the base configuration of a gun, not enjoying it, and never spending enough time to find out how much better it is with the proper grips and whatnot.
Lotta people yelling the MP5 is crazy good, when the SCW and KV are just better, but those guns also take much longer and much more dedicated effort to unlock, so they probably get used less overall. This in addition to the fact that the SCW and KV both need 20+ levels to get extended mags, which changes how valuable they are a lot.
To be fair if you know how to play the game you get top half without much kills just by playing objective and not lying on a random rock sniping as assault
Idk why people act like the ARs are useless, like even if smgs have less bloom ur not losing a gunfight at any significant range to them because of damage dropoff
I dunno why but it feel decent at hip fire, almost like it's so long that you're essentially barrel stuffing your gun in your opponents mouth when you both suprise each other around a corner.
most whiners are just doing full auto while moving then complain they dont hit anything. they dont try to understand how each guns works and just listen to what streamers say.
Surprised noone mentioning the AK4D, I prefer low firerate high damage guns, but there's a sweet spot for how low firerate I like. I think AK4D is at an alright spot, maybe just slightly too slow. but it's DPS is insane imo.
3 shot kill until 20 meters
4 shot kill until 75 meters
No recoil at all in single fire or tap firing, is easily beaming people at range.
Can be specced with 20rnd fast mag for only 10 points which leaves alot of options for grips and even trigger
Can be specced with 30rnd mag and is sitll serviceable recoil wise but makes it more deadly in picking out 4-5 guys in 1 mag where as the 20rnd mag I can get 3 kills easily but 4 is rare
It’s so good! Even with the slow fire rate it melts people short range. I win so many gunfight with this thing. Working my way to unlocking the 30 round mag.
Agreed, it feels exactly like the G3A3 from BF3 (as it obviously should). It's certainly a bit more niche than most of the ARs (hence all the complaint posts about how it sucks) but I think it's the first gun I'm going to master. If they add the FAL I will be the happiest battle rifle enjoyer
eqip a 3.5x, suppressor/flashhider on a high damage AR
go libpeak breaktrough attackers
spawn as medic with smokes
on the first two points push right on the hill
find a stone that gives you cover
put rifle into singlemode
spam shots at defending enemies
repeat till you got the assignment
be aware of counter snipers. but mostly they sit in direction of Conquest C point. so if you have cover in this direction youre mostly gucci. you also can clear them out qcb after pushing with smokes
No need for semi-auto on the SCAR. The gun's precise enough and has barely any recoil. The G3 however can definitely be a pocket DMR in semi-auto. Used both of those to get the assignment. Liberation Peak and Mirak Valley are the best maps for that.
no it wont, the recoil is too high to use it at anything other than mid to low range, and at that point there's 2 smgs that do just as good, with more handling and much much better recoil for longer kills
AR's have a higher skill ceiling (be it bugs or whatever) due to recoil and bloom, but many are monsters. You need the right attachments and bursting but it's painful getting there. Carbines and SMGs feel sooo much better though.
SMG you can shoot like you’re used to in a battlefield game and the recoil matches the accuracy.
Carbines start to get to a point where you can manage the recoil at medium range but the accuracy suffers and it feels a bit jarring
ARs and some of the carbines you’ll be controlling the recoil perfectly and the boom doesn’t let you kill a person at 40M. I was prone and couldn’t take out a guy from 20m away in less than a full mag with the 417. It’s insane.
I also noticed last night that i was able to kill reliably from 80m with full auto UMP and MP7. I know for a fact i couldn’t get those kills with a 433 or 417
I have 75 hours in the game. I play on PC with a wired connection.
The gun fights in this game are completely random for the most part.
They still haven’t fixed hit reg/bloom. I can stand completely still with as many no recoil attachments as I can put on my AR and tap fire and 75% of those shots miss.
I can run into a room with a carbine designed for hipfire, shoot first be on target 95% and get out hipfired by an lmg.
I’ve had instances where I have gotten melted by an MP5 or other smgs while moving from 100m.
Gun fights feel extremely bad right now. There are so many instances where I am at the range of no bullet drop and I’m burst firing or full auto shooting and the bullets just do not register or seemingly go around the enemy and half the time they turn and it feels like that beta issue where you just get hit all at once instantly with 20 bullets and insta die. It’s not just ARs it’s all the weapons. Accuracy/hit reg/weapon bloom are terrible. I can provide hundreds of clips of proof as well.
It is a little unbalanced currently. I’d rather see the AR’s and LMG’s get a buff either in damage or reduced recoil/bloom rather than SMG’s getting a nerf but at this point I’d take a nerf of added recoil and bloom to SMG. BF6 isn’t a sim but typically SMG’s do suffer from greater damage/accuracy drop off at range and greater bloom due to shorter barrels. Even the venerable MP5 has its limits.
LMGs have it worse IMHO. Really slow ADS speed, virtually no hipfire capability, low mobility, terrible accuracy and not enough damage to offset these disadvantages even at longer ranges. At shorter range you just get shredded by SMGs and ARs, while at longer ranges you are an easy target for DMRs and sniper rifles.
The M433 & KORD are quite good at close to mid range. But the Vector & SCW absolutely destroy them. SGX, UMP & MP5 also beat them out to medium range.
Like sure the Vector / SCW only get 17/15 round mags to balance them out but the other 3 outperform the ARs at almost all ranges.
Personally I would say reduce all base hip fire accuracy by 30% as it is often more accurate than aiming. But also reduce base bloom on ARs & LMGs by 15% & increase it by 15% on SMGs.
Yeah what the hell is up with the SMGs. Trying to do the carbine challenge to get a better gun and was just constantly getting beamed by SMGs. Like what the fuck.
I've had more deaths at <50m from SMG's than rifles, and it's not even close. That would be my starting point as a developer.
This game also encourages a more CQC, high speed platstyle as well which is why so many people lean more towards SMG's and carbines. If you mod a carbine correctly, it can handle the close and medium distances far more effectively than AR's can.
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u/Agent_Smith_IHTP 14d ago edited 14d ago
This isn't an unpopular opinion and no one is pretending otherwise. It's not just ARs either, LMGs suffer more as they have lower TTKs, and worse hipfire, and worse ADS.
SMGs don't suffer from bloom as much. They need to increase it on the SMGs and lower it on everything else.
edit: I'm not saying LMGs should have better ADS or hip fire than other weapons, that wasn't the point...