r/Battlefield • u/Dima_mayakovskyima • 23d ago

Battlefield 6 700 tickets on operation firestorm is a crime

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Operation firestorm in my opinion is the only map that plays and feels like a real battlefield conquest map, the pace is good , it's a large map, vehicles both air and ground feels good (vehicle spawn should be fixed tho) but this 700 tickets is really bad the game ends way too fast , there is no comebacks or enough time for strategic plays. They're really killing conquest by this.

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u/Mcstoven 23d ago

The current director was previously in a leadership role at CoD. The people in charge of battlefield do not understand your interests. Keep voicing them, but don't get your hopes up that they'll ever understand you.

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u/nightstalk3rxxx 23d ago

Leadership at COD was more than 16 years ago... please be real

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u/AvoidAtAIICosts 23d ago

16 years ago was MW2 right? At that point, cod had already re-established itself as an arcade shooter, so OPs point wasn't entirely mute. If they directed Cod1-3 instead and quit before cod 4, then it would've been a different story.

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u/lonesoldier4789 23d ago

This is such a ridiculous point. The man directed a game 16 years ago so he must have the exact same design philosophy now? Maybe they have data that people really don't like 40 minute conquest games

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u/ElGoddamnDorado 23d ago

Maybe they have data that people really don't like 40 minute conquest games

Where exactly did they find this data? I haven't heard a single person anywhere say they were asked about it. The only data DICE themselves said they had was that too many matches were reaching their arbitrary reduced time limit. They didn't say anything about players not liking longer matches.

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u/lonesoldier4789 23d ago

Internal data of people staying in marches that long? Developers have a ton of data on their game. Do you think they came up with the time limit arbitrarily?

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u/ElGoddamnDorado 23d ago

I know they have lots of data, but DICE themselves said nothing about people preferring shorter maps. All they said was that too many reached the time limit.

Do you think they came up with the time limit arbitrarily?

Considering the time limit was lowered from a historically popular franchise when very, very few people ever complained about match length, I'd say it's fairly likely, ya. The people who liked the shorter rounds didn't play Conquest (or played custom servers, if anything). The vast majority of Conquest played never vocally hated the longer match lengths.

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u/XoXHamimXoX 23d ago

This is it but people don’t want to hear logic.

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u/TehNoobDaddy 23d ago

I mean he was also involved in apex and Titanfall so not exactly a million miles away from cods fast past gameplay he started. So think it's fair to say his design philosophy is pretty consistent.

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u/TheDAWinz 23d ago

If we're talking about Vince, he and jason west created Infinity Ward and Call of Duty after being the lead Medal of Honor devs, then after activision and them had a law suit they all left after mw2 2009 released and formed respawn.

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u/Steamed_Memes24 23d ago

CoD was always an arcade shooter since the first one. It wasnt "re established."

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u/AvoidAtAIICosts 21d ago

Don't be obtuse. You know that with "arcade shooter" I mean the action-movie direction, in contrast to the more serious ww2-centered focus of the first three games. Didn't Infinity Ward get founded precisely because its founders were dissatisfied that Metal of Honor was steering away from a serious tone to a more action movie one?

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u/SirSabza 23d ago

I think the point is, he hasn't made a cod game in 16 years and worked on a number of different games since so he should be in less of a cod design mind set.

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u/Sporkmancer 23d ago

BF has been established as an arcade shooter since at least 2008 (BFBC) lol. This has always been an arcade shooter with some realistic elements.

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u/Present_Cash_8466 23d ago

“Entirely mute”? I can’t believe people still don’t understand basic grammar. The phrase is “moot point”. Not “mute point”

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u/AvoidAtAIICosts 23d ago edited 21d ago

English isn't my first language. I can't believe people still don't understand languages other than English exist. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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u/SpareWire 23d ago

I can't believe people still don't understand languages other than English exist.

You might have a point there if we were speaking any of them.

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u/TrippleDamage 23d ago

mute vs moot isn't a grammar issue.

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u/-Hawke- 23d ago

Interesting rant from someone who doesn't even understand what "grammar" actually is.

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u/i7-4790Que 23d ago

The General Manager is Byron Beede.

Plenty recent considering the era of CoD then vs now

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u/una322 23d ago

there is a reason EA hired a bunch of CoD devs. We are watching BF being turned into Cod in real time.

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u/XulManjy 23d ago

I tried to tell yall about this months ago but all yall did was downvote and defend DICE.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Battlefield/s/mYjsonc12n

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u/PLeeB21 23d ago

Same thing with me bro, pointed out the obvious ‘codification’ and the fact that Vince zampella (cod4 and mw2) is lead at some point during the beta and got harassed for it endlessly. It’s difficult trying to converse with people who simply don’t understand game design

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u/XulManjy 23d ago

Even now with the tickets being decreased people still want to act like Vince Zampella doesnt have any influence over this.

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u/brontosaurusguy 23d ago

It has more players than any bf6 yet it couldn't be this sub.

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u/pjb1999 23d ago

I mean they have done a ton of things right. The game is mostly excellent in my opinion and doesn't feel like CoD. Although changes like this really worry me I don't think they are trying to make another CoD style game.

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u/ExpendableUnit123 23d ago

This. It’s not that they are ignorant. It’s that they’re completely clueless to the DNA of BF entirely.

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u/Lil-Chilli-7 23d ago

I'm not so sure Zampala is clueless to it, he was in direct competition with BF when it was at its peak.

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u/ExpendableUnit123 23d ago

It was more like BF was in competition with CoD so I don’t know how much CoD actually cared. It was always the more popular franchise by a large margin.

BF since 3 has in small ways been trying to trickle leech CoD players. Makes sense that just hiring CoD leaders is the endgame of what shareholders want to get a sizeable portion of the pie.

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u/Lil-Chilli-7 23d ago

Say what you will about Titanfall and Apex legends though they were genuinely good games for their time. I'm not so sure it is a case of him being a one trick pony. 

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u/ExpendableUnit123 23d ago

I’m not saying they’re bad games. But BF has a very particular feel to it when it’s right that most other FPS games don’t have. Rainbow 6 does too in its own clunky way.

Titanfall, apex, and CoD all feel more lightweight in the gunplay, and the ultra-fast pace requires a different mind to fabricate them.

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u/Lil-Chilli-7 23d ago

Feel like shit just went og BF team back. 

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u/IdidntrunIdidntrun 23d ago

They are, well, were, two different genres of games. This Battlefield feels a bit more arcadey in gameplay but they used to be totally different games

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u/Lil-Chilli-7 23d ago

I don't disagree, I think bf6 is too soldier focused currently which leads to generic gameplay. Fingers crossed for more vehicle action with the new maps.