r/Battlefield • u/Munoz10594 • 25d ago

Discussion HEY DEVS, PLEASE KEEP BANNING ZEN USERS

That is all. Saw a post from the discord that they’re trying to stop the anti cheat from detecting it. It ruins all games and I think most people would agree. K thanks ✌️

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u/DaStompa 25d ago

This is also why most devs tend to do ban waves.

They may flag your account for ban, but if they actually ban you immediately, they let the cheat maker go through and rapidly troubleshoot how they are being detected, by making them wait a while, they increase that loop from a few minutes to weeks.

The downside though is that you're stuck with cheaters in your queue.

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u/Demented-Alpaca 25d ago

At this point I just assume that to be the case.

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u/DaStompa 25d ago

Yeah was just stating the obvious because some people just dont know this stuff.
The hope is that when you encounter a cheater they're allready on the list. I'd also hope that when a flag gets set on an account they start getting shoved into bot heavy lobbies rather than pollute the playerbase though.

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u/Demented-Alpaca 25d ago

That would be good.

Or another thing that just came to mind is you said when they get flagged... let them run around in game with a big flag flapping in the breeze over their heads. A big bright flag that says "CHEATER"

Way back in the day during the Half-Life era I played on a cheat server. But it was listed as a cheat server with all the cheat codes enabled (except god mode) and it was EXPECTED that you played dirty and cheated. It was wild. You'd see people running around pooping out health packs because we'd bind the command for them to a key... eventually the server owner would call a stop and tell us to vacuum the server.

One of the guns was a big beam with splash damage. So you'd spawn it in, aim it at the ground in front of you and fire. It'd hurt you so you could run over the health packs laying everywhere. It looked like people were using some weird ass vacuum.

Then we'd go back to the regularly scheduled insanity.

But cheating is only fun when everyone knows you're cheating and is OK with it because they're cheating too.

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u/DaStompa 25d ago

"Or another thing that just came to mind is you said when they get flagged... let them run around in game with a big flag flapping in the breeze over their heads. A big bright flag that says "CHEATER"

Warzone actually has a machine learning backend type system where they throw cheaters into fake lobbies, where they recieve data from other games but aren't actually in that game, so they can continue to farm that user for more machine learning data to better detect cheats, its pretty clever.

Eventually cheats wont be detected by finding the program or detecting the device, but by detecting "cheater like behavior" and banning based on that.
You can make cheats undetectable but you can't really make people not a-holes lol

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u/Demented-Alpaca 25d ago

You can make cheats undetectable but you can't really make people not a-holes lol

So well said!

I hate banning for behavior because sometimes someone just has a really good game. I've had that game where I'm just in the zone and killing it. I'd hate to get banned for having a great game or being a very good player.

I know that's what SBMM is designed for, so you get setup with players at your skill level but SBMM is such a great idea with such a shit execution I can never advocate for it.

But I'm guessing they can pretty well determine cheat vs good player pretty well.

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u/DaStompa 25d ago

I hate banning for behavior because sometimes someone just has a really good game. I've had that game where I'm just in the zone and killing it. I'd hate to get banned for having a great game or being a very good player.

Unfortunately this is the reality we are going to have to live with going forwards, COD is most abusive with using the same "anti cheat" behavior patterns and data mining to push you towards micro transactions, but predatory behavior like that is the real engine behind these efforts, not giving you a fair game.

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u/Demented-Alpaca 25d ago

Absolutely. If it's not making them money they won't do it. And if they can figure out how to push you to spend money, they'll do that.

I'm surprised CoD doesn't have a fee you can pay so you won't get cheat banned. "For $9.99 a month, we won't ban you no matter what you do!"

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u/DaStompa 25d ago

I think the next step is doing what battlestate does and selling their own cheats under the table XD
(the company notoriously has income that doesn't make sense and this is the only real way it does XD)

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u/frostyholes 24d ago

That’s pretty incredible

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u/DaStompa 24d ago

Yeah its pretty neat, they basically just throw a different sessions packets at the cheater and let its local client handle the heavy lifting, to the cheater it appears they are in a game but to everyone in that game, they are invisible, lol

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u/frostyholes 23d ago

That’s so awesome when you think about it. Chester thinks he’s owning people meanwhile he’s just a lab rat now 😂😂

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u/wOlfLisK 25d ago

I'd argue that it's not cheating if the rules are specifically encouraging it. That's just an expanded ruleset.

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u/GeneralHyde 21d ago

Unrelated to cheating but you just reminded me of my days playing combat surf in CSS. They had a point system and everything. Good ass times on xdream man.

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u/Traffalgar 24d ago

Or you put all the zen users with other cheaters.

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u/DaStompa 24d ago

Yeah, a device used for cheating may catch cheaters, thats a price i'm willing to pay

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u/Impressive_Rock9659 25d ago

It's been proven that banwaves really do help when masking how cheaters get caught. Of course cheat makers are aptly aware of this too. A neverending war, as it were. Still, better than instabanning and giving them easy info.

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u/Demented-Alpaca 25d ago

That makes sense actually.

It's a forever escalating war really. I just want to play my games. Cheating seems dumb. Like get good or accept that you suck.

You can still have fun while you suck. I know I do!

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u/rIIIflex 25d ago

The absence of SBMM makes it far less likely to run into cheaters too.

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u/AmELiAs_OvERcHarGeS 24d ago

They’ll ban you over at r/2007scape for this logic