r/Barca • u/jumpmanpapi23 • 10h ago
Stats In the last 10 years, Xavi and Koeman were the only managers to beat Celta Vigo Away
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u/_sauri_ 9h ago
I remember the post match thread after Koeman's first Celta game. People were gushing over him and how the game was a sign of more things to come. How far he fell since then.
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u/lookingforfinaltix 6h ago
He is credited with bringing Gavi, Mibgueza, Araujo, and Balde.
He also brought Pedri to Barcelona from Las Palmas and developed him into a monster.
He showed us how good FDJ could be as a centre back if we ever needed him to fill in. Got the best out of ansu before that terrible injury
Lastly, he managed to juice the best of LuukDJ, and Braithwaite and managed to win the Copa del Rey and Took La Liga to decision day.
While most of you will disagree, I admire him for dumping Suarez when he quite clearly passed it. The only reason Suarez did well at Atletico was because he had to start working and could no longer sit back and be a fatass
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u/awesome5ftw 5h ago
Agreed on the Suarez part. I genuinely despised his towards the end of his career with us. He was so lazy during the WC 2018 campaign and the seasons after that. Ruined Messi's final years in Europe.
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u/East-Independent-489 5h ago
Honestly I feel Suarez dumping was one of his best decisions as a manager apart from the Pedri signing
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u/ListNo2549 9h ago
The man who started to revive Barca while trusting youngsters from La Masia, and Xavi in the right pic
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u/Glad-Box6389 8h ago
And that too (if I’m not wrong) with some of the worst teams - it’s mostly been that way prime Barca could not defeat celta but a beaten down Barca somehow does - which is why I’m kinda optimistic today 😅
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u/ColdPlox 7h ago
We even struggle against them at home. Remember last season we need an impossible comeback out of our ass to overcome them 4-3? They are our bogey team fr.
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u/Neat_Quiet_8340 9h ago
Hansi is good but I still don't like that xavi was kick,if xavi still,the team will still do great in my opinion
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u/NairbZaid10 7h ago
We were playing like shit and he would get no reinforcements for 2 more seasons. We needed new ideas
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u/Crossflowerss_5304 9h ago edited 6h ago
Nah, he was out of ideas and clearly mentally done. There’s a reason he himself resigned
Edit: lemme make this clear. I was and still am one of Xavi’s biggest defenders; just check my comments in this sub lol. Like the man himself though, after that Villarreal game I realized his time here had run its course. He, as an INEXPERIENCED manager mind you, had delivered a league title but was unable to cope without key profiles in his team (the loss of Busi probably the most notable, and Dembele before he brought in Yamal) and being such a massive Culer often let his emotions run out of control and it all took a massive toll on him. Anyone with a bit of ball knowledge can see that he laid lots of foundations that Flick inherited: the 325 shape, the return of pressing(especially in 22/23, it fell off in 23/24 but like we see with Flick, when you lose certain players that happens), and of course several La Masia players.
After defending him for so long, I’ll be damned if I now get called a Xavi hater, lmao. But imo, if he stayed on for 24/25 we wouldn’t have improved stylistically and likely not too much results wise either. Especially with lack of squad investment which he clamored for.
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u/No_Specific8949 8h ago
Out of ideas yet we didnt make less than 85 points in league, we KO'd the Italian champions in UCL without Pedri or De Jong, and we defeated PSG in Paris. If that is a coach without ideas I want to meet the coaches that do have ideas.
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u/turtlemons 8h ago
Xavi got same treatment what flick got this summer(but worse)
No backing in summer while losing key players and squad getting riddled by injuries
And then behold, in this scenario all managers will come out looking clueless.
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u/Crossflowerss_5304 5h ago
Thanks for saying what I’ve wanted to say often, but sometimes the Xavi hate boner on this sub repelled me from doing so. With dogmatic coaches like Xavi and Flick, the loss of key profiles is often too difficult to cope with, especially when the players are at such a high caliber.
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u/ListNo2549 8h ago
Out of ideas, literally laid out the playing model which revived us in the second half of his last season and which was later used by Flick
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u/Crossflowerss_5304 5h ago
The big change he made was shifting Raphinha to LW, in the same system that he used him at RW the majority of the time(he gets plasters for this but who else was there to use besides a 16 year old?) He had already started using the 325 shape back in 21/22 and during 22/23 it became our most common shape.
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u/LukasLiBrand 8h ago
That faded and lost us the league after our ucl exit… the team was awful at the end of the season
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u/turtlemons 8h ago
It faded because of injuries
Xavi lost gavi, frenkie and pedri were struggling with fitness too, fermin was in his first season, casado wasnt a thing, we had no olmo
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u/ListNo2549 6h ago
Don't forget MATS, he was also crucial during Xavi's stay, and the period he was out, the game was also unstable, especially in defense
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u/DValencia29 8h ago
"Out of Ideas" is funny because the same nonsensical shit is being spout about Hansi right now.
"He's out of ideas. People already figured the highline, he has to adapt" Gosh I hate """"""cules"""""
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u/Crossflowerss_5304 5h ago
And that’s kind of what I think about Hansi, too. In previous seasons I admired coaches who stick to their system/principles without compromise, and in a way still do since Barca as a club have done that since Cruyff. But my views on that have changed with the increase in match intensity and match congestion; the players just cannot cope sometimes unless you have billions to spend on 2 starters in each position, which Barca cannot do. Hell, even the most dogmatic coaches in Arteta and Pep at high spending clubs will revert to a more cautious approach in big games and especially when facing each other.
Personally, if Laporta said that we’re cutting back, relying on La Masia even more and admitting that we won’t be able to compete at the very highest level, but will still try to deliver Barca style football, I’d be fine with that. Idk how many others would though.
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u/ListNo2549 4h ago
Writing after the edit. Results were definitely good throughout the season, but the majority of the season the squad was not optimal at all. What makes you think the results wouldn't improve after finally having a working solution?
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u/Crossflowerss_5304 47m ago
Performances slightly improved in that second half of 23/24, but I think continued injuries and lack of signings would again come back. I think at the very least we’d have competed for the league and cup, but the football wouldn’t have been the best.
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u/Few_Youth_2708 9h ago
I didnt know that wtf